I highly recommend AV Torn-T to anyone building a stall team. His lack of a strong, reliable STAB is unfortunate for offensive teams looking to use this great mon, but stall teams don't really need hurricane to hit every time. The mere threat of a hurricane is enough to force out knock off absorbers like Gliscor and mega Venu so you can knock off every other mon's item. Superpower is great for killing Tyranitar (you out run scarf variants), and u-turn is borderline retarded on something that has regenerator.
He's finally getting some well-deserved usage (OU level last month!) and I suggest new stall players learn to use him well before everyone else catches on.
No. With the knock off buff, defog buff, reducing damage on crits, and lack of permanent sun/rain, stall is better than it has been since gen 3. It's the most consistent play style by far for ladder play on Showdown.
I've played almost everyone currently in the 1900+ range on Showdown, and few are mediocre.
The reason stall is good on showdown is consistency. Stall won't lose to someone using quick pass Espeon + Smeargle with dual screens, assuming you 1) don't get haxed like hell and 2) you build your team well. A lot of well-built offensive teams can and will lose in that situation because offense just doesn't have a counter for that. It's a lot easier for stall to put dragon tail on something to counter Espeon than it is for offense.
He's finally getting some well-deserved usage (OU level last month!) and I suggest new stall players learn to use him well before everyone else catches on.
I just think full stall is flat-out shit. You NEED more offensive presence than just a zard x or scizor. Semi-stall isn't much better, but at least it has something resembling offensive presence. I just think you need to settle for checking the bigger threats(hera, medi, garde, terra, mew etc.)and countering the rest. you can't counter the meta anymore, and its just too apparent this gen. Gen 6 was the point where a balanced meta became somewhat impossible, because the power creep is too great. Unless something drastic happens next gen, I feel pokemon is doomed to an inherently imbalanced meta.
No. With the knock off buff, defog buff, reducing damage on crits, and lack of permanent sun/rain, stall is better than it has been since gen 3. It's the most consistent play style by far for ladder play on Showdown.
because the ladder is generally mediocre, and shitty stall/semi-stall>shitty offense users
I've played almost everyone currently in the 1900+ range on Showdown, and few are mediocre.
The reason stall is good on showdown is consistency. Stall won't lose to someone using quick pass Espeon + Smeargle with dual screens, assuming you 1) don't get haxed like hell and 2) you build your team well. A lot of well-built offensive teams can and will lose in that situation because offense just doesn't have a counter for that. It's a lot easier for stall to put dragon tail on something to counter Espeon than it is for offense.
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