Time for a post explaining why Galladiator needs to be lynched, which I have put off far too long.
Um are you retarded.
What you fail to realize is that outside of the vigilante, the lynch is the only way we will kill people. The point is that all of your points are either invalid or personal attacks, which proves how desperate you are to survive that you have devolved into essentially just calling me a dick.
Obviously lynching a villager is worse than no lynching, but there is risk involved with anything and the likelihood you are a villager seems small in comparison to the likelihood that you are mafia.
For reference, let's take a stroll down memory lane...
Note that all I ask is an explanation for why he voted for no lynch and I will alter my vote.
Firstly, he states he would rather no lynch than go for the 50% chance of lynching a mafia. His justification for this is that he "doesn't like those odds". He then continues on with a vague threat at voting for me if I continue to push him for his reasons for trying to maintain a no lynch bandwagon that hurts the village. As if I would be at all concerned about such a threat, given that speaking up and accusing everyone is the only way to find mafia in these types of games.
Firstly I point out to him how anti-village no lynch is. I then point out that I am simply trying to stir the pot and figure out who acts suspiciously rather then making any personal attack on him.
He continues to overreact to my generating discussion, and ignores all of my logic on why no lynch is retarded (which he later accepts, by the way). He then says "I just know what's best for me" (which I failed to pick up on earlier in this thread), and immediately assumes that he has to shoot down any suspicious of him being wolf when no one has even mentioned anything about a wolf thus far whatsoever.
I would later repeat most of these sentiments in this post, so I will refrain from quoting that one as well. Basically, he simply denies anything aimed at him as acting anti-village by saying "I don't trust you as being village" at whoever accuses him rather than focusing on defending his own actions.
So...basically he responds to people making points about his suspicious behavior by saying "you are overanalyzing this". Are you serious? What the hell do you think we need to do in NOC? We will probably have to analyze, overanalyze and then analyze some more based on people's posting histories to get any lynches whatsoever. Again, after pushing for no lynch Galladiator suggests the second worst thing the village could do: turn apathetic.
He then interjects with the completely meaningless statement of...
You had tried to be discreet twice now and I wouldn't let you. First you tried to no lynch so the village would stop doing things, then suggested everyone "chill out". The only reason you haven't been able to be discreet is because I haven't allowed you to be.
So yes, I think there is a good chance you are wolf, by your own logic.
Let's continue...
First off, he continues to fight for no lynch, which has already been generally decided on as a dumb option. Second, he quotes me as saying something I never once said during the game up to that point (nor do I think I ever said it afterwards). Just look back through this post, I have either quoted or linked to every single post of mine relevant to this discussion.
Secondly, he continues to spew the same "careful" bullshit mafia always spew in these games, then follows with his defense of all of his built up actions and anti-village behavior: "I AM village". Quite an argument, eh?
Note that firstly all I had done to provoke this attack on my person (if it can be called such) is to ask for the host to follow his own rules publicly. If I was mafia, I would have most certainly sent Alpha Werewolf a PM, don't you think? In any case, he assumes that following the rules is mafia-like behavior, states that he "is starting to doubt" I am village, makes up some bullshit about why I can't be inspected, and attempts to lynch me. Then claims what he has just stated is analysis and states that if he were mafia he would have given himself away by now...which he has, many times over. Again, even by his own logic he falls apart.
I will focus only on what I say concerning Galladiator in this post because I am trying to ignore Spiffy for the moment.
First, I explain to Galladiator why I suspect him. Then I explain that being panicky as a villager makes no sense at all and is just drawing more suspicion to him. By this point I am fairly convinced Galladiator is mafia or (more probably) wolf, but I had host evidence that Spiffy was no villager (and as you have all seen I was right), and the odds of lynching a random non-villager are very good for a village that has few power roles based on the OP. Anyhow, I'm trying not to talk about Spiffy here so let's move on...
As soon as he sees a potential target that doesn't result in him being suspected (aka even if he were to somehow get me lynched he knows I would turn up as a villager and would be lynched the next day so it would be more ideal for someone else to get lynched), he jumps on it, simply saying "DLE brings up an interesting point". Why? What about the point makes it "interesting" (by which I assume you mean convincing)? Again you do something anti-village (bandwagoning) with no explanation whatsoever.
Essentially I just point out that he is hardly in the position to let people "off the hook", given he has not justified anything he has said thus far. Also, note that he never explained why he let me "off the hook", an action that I provided a response to (essentially that in the best-case scenario of my lynch he takes the blame, where DLE would take the blame if Isaac got lynched and turned village).
This is literally the first example of analyzing something he has done, and it is just repeating DLE's reasoning. Then he suggests I have some secret "hidden agenda" (he is starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist to be honest) before making another personal attack. I called you an idiot because you are ignoring my points.
This was a long post so I didn't go too in-depth, but basically I truncated all the reasoning that I have been explaining thus far in this post. Basically, he is hyperactive, desperate, and ignores points.
We are approaching the end...
He simply quotes what Spiffy said, says "this" (very similar to what he did for DLE's bandwagoning earlier), claims it isn't bandwagoning, then says he has his own reasons for voting me that he won't share with everyone. THEN says he "probably won't change his vote this time", essentially saying that he prioritizes personal dislikes over evidence.
Firstly, this post is mainly stating reasons why we should lynch Spiffy, which I am now against without inspecting him because the risk of losing a vigilante is too great. However, Galladiator has stated many times he is a villager. Now then, as to this post, essentially I point out that Galladiator is attaching himself to a more experienced player without really giving any reasoning for it, which he did for DLE earlier in the game (though I didn't mention DLE in this post, I only realized it later on). Additionally, this post was made before I saw Galladiator's post right above mine, so here is what might be considered the second half to it, aimed at Galladiator:
After considering this post, I expect people will understand why.
Now then, the end...
OK, I point out that Galladiator could not possibly have any village-friendly reasons for voting for me and that lynching someone who is idiotic and thus could say incriminating things without being a mafia is not a priority over him. Essentially, Galladiator is coherent enough that I believe that if he were actually a villager he would be able to defend himself, but clearly isn't smart enough to avoid typical suspicious mafia behavior when he isn't village.
My responses:
The responses should speak for themselves. Basically, typical of his play throughout the game, he cannot defend his anti-village manuevering and insists on simply attacking my organization of thought (which I find hilariously hypocritical, as I have explained throughout this post).
And, finally...
And my final response:
First I point out that he is obviously wrong, and second I point out why Spiffy was a reasonable lynch (which others, such as billymills, pointed out to you as well). Then I state my final reasons, which I have expanded upon and proven throughout this post:
-Galladiator has been making moves detrimental to the village's chances of winning this game throughout, including but not limited to bangwagoning, responding to accusations with personal attacks rather than thought-through accusations or defenses, leeching off of other, more experienced players so he can appear like he is contributing, hopping on wagons not started by himself to avoid blame, and doing absolutely nothing to stir the pot and attempt to uncover anything about himself, preferring to attempt to be discreet and responding to questioning with panic.
-His desperation to survive is strange, as were his jumps to such things as my accusing him of being wolf (which I didn't until he stated it himself).
-He is a villager in the worst-case scenario. We lose little even if he is allied with the village, and quite frankly the information on living players we gain from killing him is more useful than all of his anti-village behavior thus far.
-Even if he is a villager, he has been worse than useless.
-Why would he act as he has if he were not either wolf or mafia? Seriously, give me one explanation for so many continul giveaways and anti-village behavior. Just one. If he is a villager, he has been acting illogically this whole game and will be of no use to us later on.
-His coherent posts suggest that he is capable of helping the village if so inclined. This, more than anything else, suggests to me that he is mafia for the simple reason that if he were trying to find mafia he would be acting in the exact opposite manner. He is just smart enough to be trusted to play well if a villager, and his poor play thus far tells me that he is no such thing.
As such, to sum it up (I know this doesn't really count, but for effect...):
Vote: Galladiator
Um are you retarded.
What you fail to realize is that outside of the vigilante, the lynch is the only way we will kill people. The point is that all of your points are either invalid or personal attacks, which proves how desperate you are to survive that you have devolved into essentially just calling me a dick.
Obviously lynching a villager is worse than no lynching, but there is risk involved with anything and the likelihood you are a villager seems small in comparison to the likelihood that you are mafia.
For reference, let's take a stroll down memory lane...
Post #24 said:
Note that all I ask is an explanation for why he voted for no lynch and I will alter my vote.
Post #28 said:
Firstly, he states he would rather no lynch than go for the 50% chance of lynching a mafia. His justification for this is that he "doesn't like those odds". He then continues on with a vague threat at voting for me if I continue to push him for his reasons for trying to maintain a no lynch bandwagon that hurts the village. As if I would be at all concerned about such a threat, given that speaking up and accusing everyone is the only way to find mafia in these types of games.
My response said:
Firstly I point out to him how anti-village no lynch is. I then point out that I am simply trying to stir the pot and figure out who acts suspiciously rather then making any personal attack on him.
Post #39 said:
He continues to overreact to my generating discussion, and ignores all of my logic on why no lynch is retarded (which he later accepts, by the way). He then says "I just know what's best for me" (which I failed to pick up on earlier in this thread), and immediately assumes that he has to shoot down any suspicious of him being wolf when no one has even mentioned anything about a wolf thus far whatsoever.
Quagsires' point on why Galladiator is suspicious said:
I would later repeat most of these sentiments in this post, so I will refrain from quoting that one as well. Basically, he simply denies anything aimed at him as acting anti-village by saying "I don't trust you as being village" at whoever accuses him rather than focusing on defending his own actions.
Post #46 said:Wait, what?
You're reading into this too much. You do remember this is my first time playing a mafia game. I really don't see why you're making such a big deal about this. I didn't "give myself away"; I don't even have anything to give away. When I said that I'm not a wolf, I meant "If there is a wolf, I'm not it". As far as sabotage goes, I'm only trying to gather information before I blindly follow somebody whose allegiance I have no clue of as yet. Successfully lead a lynch on a mafia/wolf (if applicable), and we'll talk.
In other words: chill out, bro.
Oh, and for those wondering how I even knew what a wolf is, I decided awhile back toin the Mafia forum. This is just my first time playing.
So...basically he responds to people making points about his suspicious behavior by saying "you are overanalyzing this". Are you serious? What the hell do you think we need to do in NOC? We will probably have to analyze, overanalyze and then analyze some more based on people's posting histories to get any lynches whatsoever. Again, after pushing for no lynch Galladiator suggests the second worst thing the village could do: turn apathetic.
He then interjects with the completely meaningless statement of...
Post #47 said:
You had tried to be discreet twice now and I wouldn't let you. First you tried to no lynch so the village would stop doing things, then suggested everyone "chill out". The only reason you haven't been able to be discreet is because I haven't allowed you to be.
So yes, I think there is a good chance you are wolf, by your own logic.
Let's continue...
Post #76 said:
First off, he continues to fight for no lynch, which has already been generally decided on as a dumb option. Second, he quotes me as saying something I never once said during the game up to that point (nor do I think I ever said it afterwards). Just look back through this post, I have either quoted or linked to every single post of mine relevant to this discussion.
Secondly, he continues to spew the same "careful" bullshit mafia always spew in these games, then follows with his defense of all of his built up actions and anti-village behavior: "I AM village". Quite an argument, eh?
Post #112 said:
Note that firstly all I had done to provoke this attack on my person (if it can be called such) is to ask for the host to follow his own rules publicly. If I was mafia, I would have most certainly sent Alpha Werewolf a PM, don't you think? In any case, he assumes that following the rules is mafia-like behavior, states that he "is starting to doubt" I am village, makes up some bullshit about why I can't be inspected, and attempts to lynch me. Then claims what he has just stated is analysis and states that if he were mafia he would have given himself away by now...which he has, many times over. Again, even by his own logic he falls apart.
Post #113 said:
I will focus only on what I say concerning Galladiator in this post because I am trying to ignore Spiffy for the moment.
First, I explain to Galladiator why I suspect him. Then I explain that being panicky as a villager makes no sense at all and is just drawing more suspicion to him. By this point I am fairly convinced Galladiator is mafia or (more probably) wolf, but I had host evidence that Spiffy was no villager (and as you have all seen I was right), and the odds of lynching a random non-villager are very good for a village that has few power roles based on the OP. Anyhow, I'm trying not to talk about Spiffy here so let's move on...
Galladiator said:
As soon as he sees a potential target that doesn't result in him being suspected (aka even if he were to somehow get me lynched he knows I would turn up as a villager and would be lynched the next day so it would be more ideal for someone else to get lynched), he jumps on it, simply saying "DLE brings up an interesting point". Why? What about the point makes it "interesting" (by which I assume you mean convincing)? Again you do something anti-village (bandwagoning) with no explanation whatsoever.
My Response said:
Essentially I just point out that he is hardly in the position to let people "off the hook", given he has not justified anything he has said thus far. Also, note that he never explained why he let me "off the hook", an action that I provided a response to (essentially that in the best-case scenario of my lynch he takes the blame, where DLE would take the blame if Isaac got lynched and turned village).
Galladiator said:
This is literally the first example of analyzing something he has done, and it is just repeating DLE's reasoning. Then he suggests I have some secret "hidden agenda" (he is starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist to be honest) before making another personal attack. I called you an idiot because you are ignoring my points.
My post analyzing everyone said:
This was a long post so I didn't go too in-depth, but basically I truncated all the reasoning that I have been explaining thus far in this post. Basically, he is hyperactive, desperate, and ignores points.
We are approaching the end...
Post #172 said:
He simply quotes what Spiffy said, says "this" (very similar to what he did for DLE's bandwagoning earlier), claims it isn't bandwagoning, then says he has his own reasons for voting me that he won't share with everyone. THEN says he "probably won't change his vote this time", essentially saying that he prioritizes personal dislikes over evidence.
Post #176 said:
Firstly, this post is mainly stating reasons why we should lynch Spiffy, which I am now against without inspecting him because the risk of losing a vigilante is too great. However, Galladiator has stated many times he is a villager. Now then, as to this post, essentially I point out that Galladiator is attaching himself to a more experienced player without really giving any reasoning for it, which he did for DLE earlier in the game (though I didn't mention DLE in this post, I only realized it later on). Additionally, this post was made before I saw Galladiator's post right above mine, so here is what might be considered the second half to it, aimed at Galladiator:
Basically, I point out the ridiculously of how badly Galladiator has given himself away up to this point, point out how what he is doing has harmed the village at every step of the way, how he jumps on wagons, ignores points, refuses to defend himself but chooses rather to make attacks on my character and state his "suspicions" about me without backing them up then, after all of that, has the nerve to "let me off the hook". Essentially, and rightfully so I believe, I changed my mind and decided that the odds of Galladiator being mafia were better than Spiffy being mafia.Post #177 said:
After considering this post, I expect people will understand why.
Now then, the end...
Post #180 said:
OK, I point out that Galladiator could not possibly have any village-friendly reasons for voting for me and that lynching someone who is idiotic and thus could say incriminating things without being a mafia is not a priority over him. Essentially, Galladiator is coherent enough that I believe that if he were actually a villager he would be able to defend himself, but clearly isn't smart enough to avoid typical suspicious mafia behavior when he isn't village.
Post #185 said:
My responses:
Post #187 said:
The responses should speak for themselves. Basically, typical of his play throughout the game, he cannot defend his anti-village manuevering and insists on simply attacking my organization of thought (which I find hilariously hypocritical, as I have explained throughout this post).
And, finally...
Post #190 said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat UncleSam
The fact that Groshi (a basic villager) got godkilled and Spiffy didn't should be enough proof for everyone to lynch Spiffy. He clearly isn't a basic villager, just like I have said all along.
There you go again...can I get a bit of backup here, Alpha?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat UncleSam
Unvote.
Vote: Spiffy.
Everyone who doesn't follow basically gives themselves away as mafia given that the host has given us as much confirmation as he possibly could that Spiffy is no vanilla villager, and given he denies being a village power role there is only one other alternative.
Second verse, same as first. What do you have against Spiffy, anyway? It's not like he sniped your dog or anything.
And my final response:
Post #192 said:
First I point out that he is obviously wrong, and second I point out why Spiffy was a reasonable lynch (which others, such as billymills, pointed out to you as well). Then I state my final reasons, which I have expanded upon and proven throughout this post:
-Galladiator has been making moves detrimental to the village's chances of winning this game throughout, including but not limited to bangwagoning, responding to accusations with personal attacks rather than thought-through accusations or defenses, leeching off of other, more experienced players so he can appear like he is contributing, hopping on wagons not started by himself to avoid blame, and doing absolutely nothing to stir the pot and attempt to uncover anything about himself, preferring to attempt to be discreet and responding to questioning with panic.
-His desperation to survive is strange, as were his jumps to such things as my accusing him of being wolf (which I didn't until he stated it himself).
-He is a villager in the worst-case scenario. We lose little even if he is allied with the village, and quite frankly the information on living players we gain from killing him is more useful than all of his anti-village behavior thus far.
-Even if he is a villager, he has been worse than useless.
-Why would he act as he has if he were not either wolf or mafia? Seriously, give me one explanation for so many continul giveaways and anti-village behavior. Just one. If he is a villager, he has been acting illogically this whole game and will be of no use to us later on.
-His coherent posts suggest that he is capable of helping the village if so inclined. This, more than anything else, suggests to me that he is mafia for the simple reason that if he were trying to find mafia he would be acting in the exact opposite manner. He is just smart enough to be trusted to play well if a villager, and his poor play thus far tells me that he is no such thing.
As such, to sum it up (I know this doesn't really count, but for effect...):
Vote: Galladiator
