Format Discussion Super Staff Bros 4 Discussion Thread

[HiZo]

All QC'd changes are now live!

Also one more buff came in:

Aethernum : Lilypad Overflow BP: 60 -> 61

I still can't believe he beat me smh...

 

[Discordual]

Power is equal to 60 + ...

Literally unplayable

 

[Arby]

dont delete me :[

 

[Enderevilherobrine]

Aethernum : Lilypad Overflow BP: 60 -> 61

I still can't believe he beat me smh...

Ok what is the story behind this one?

 

[HiZo]

Ok what is the story behind this one?

well you see. Aethernum and I made a wager for a buff on his set.

I lost...

We then rematched for 62 BP on his custom move.

I also lost that...

Mistakes were made.

Also Aeth's Lilypad overflow is now 62 BP. It'll be implemented soon.

 

[Aethernum]

Slowly i'll make my custom move 100 BP, just wait and see.....

To be honest, Instruct, don't buff it to 62, i pref the memes with 61 ahah

oh and also, next time we'll have a wager on permarain > normal rain, as it was initially, so git gud before facing me or epic permarain return moment y/y :^)

 

[Spectral Moonlight]

honestly, you should really make it so every team has at least one hazard remover, as webs are absolutely busted in almost every situation

 

[HiZo]

honestly, you should really make it so every team has at least one hazard remover, as webs are absolutely busted in almost every situation

SSB team generation is very shallow, as it only rejects pokemon once the team has 3 weaknesses in a certain type, and the rejected pokemon also has a weakness to it as well. Trying to get as inclusive of a format where everyone appears close to the same amount is a higher priority than better team generation. So yeah, so times you get bad RNG and get curb stomped, it just happens. If you want better team generation play something else lol.

 

[ThatOneSpork]

I'm just playing, trying to get the quote for Kaiju Bunny, enjoying the game. So I do this one battle, and then realize at the end that it was Instruct and I'm just like thinking "oh wow thats cool. like really cool."
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1309824806 if ya want
But from what little experience I have in this format, I am a bit confused what it means by "vaguely competitively viable moves". Do we perhaps have a list of the moves it accepts?

 

[Discordual]

But from what little experience I have in this format, I am a bit confused what it means by "vaguely competitively viable moves". Do we perhaps have a list of the moves it accepts?

I don't know for sure, but I would assume a random move which isn't in the 'usually useless moves' section of the teambuilder

 

[Discordual]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1311309972-kupc3tjcys90gw6csnshuztmnvgodzkpw
My first time getting shiny Minior! Didn't even know this was possible.

 

[Discordual]

Minor thing, but refresh should be taken out of Cake's movepool now he has Jungle Healing.

 

[HiZo]

View attachment 327447
Minor thing, but refresh should be taken out of Cake's movepool now he has Jungle Healing.

Refresh is nuked.

also, Perish’s Trickery will have their accuracy increased to 95!

 

[HiZo]

Super Staff Bros’s Wii U format’s code is done! We'll launch it ASAP with coordination with the PS Admins! Hope y'all enjoy it. :)

 

[UT]

At a high level, what's different about Wii U? Is it just a more thorough teambuilder, or are the sets changed and less random?

And more importantly, does it contain an unnerfed Talonflame set?

 

[HiZo]

At a high level, what's different about Wii U? Is it just a more thorough teambuilder, or are the sets changed and less random?

And more importantly, does it contain an unnerfed Talonflame set?

1) Sets are completely different to maximize viability.
2) No.

 

[HiZo]

March winrates :)

Table

Due to how late the patch came in, I’m not gonna check because winrates could be not consistent or be weird. Sorry.

 

[HiZo]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/super-staff-bros-4-discussion-thread-wii-u-edition.3681253/ WII U FORMAT DISCUSSION GOES IN THE PROPER THREAD THANKS

 

[Discordual]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1316152177
Neutralising gas wearing off can activate Robb's transformation (Turn 20)

 

[UT]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1316257138

Status Guard activated on a what should have been a failed Counter

Edit: learned I don't know how Counter works, never mind

 

[Discordual]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1316257138

Status Guard activated on a what should have been a failed Counter

That's just how Counter works against protection. It'll activate on Spiky Shield and Baneful Bunker too.

 

[aQrator]

Wooo take that Discordual.

In all seriousness, I'm happy to achieve this and I really enjoy the format still.

 

[acluous]

This might not be the right thread but in ssb4 data corruption has weird pp glitches when magic bounced back.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1308976286
Here heat wave lost all of its pp when it hasn't been used at all.

 

[HiZo]

This might not be the right thread but in ssb4 data corruption has weird pp glitches when magic bounced back.
View attachment 331757
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1308976286
Here heat wave lost all of its pp when it hasn't been used at all.

not a bug. everytime a moveset gets swapped in ssb4, the move's PP usage % gets rolled over. so 0/1 * 16/16 = 0/16

 

[UT]

On both turns 29 and 33, Struchni uses Veto and moves before faster opponents despite not having a stat boosted the previous turn. It is switching into Sticky Web, is it possible the stat reduction is triggering Veto's priority? Or am I missing something?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1320043132