Can't wait to try a rendition of mono-claw down here in UU
Pretty sure Moltres-G never had Roost to begin with.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]
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Garchomp x Enamorus-T is my new OTP.
Rn the defensive profile of other regen mons is better, and slow pivot is prefered most of the time with all the strong stuff around you want to bring your mons as safe as they can especially when things like chip in Tusk could end on Gambit sweeping your team in the end game.
Other thing, I knew that Lando wouldn't beat Tusk im usage,but I honestly thought that Lando would be at least in the top 10, the nerfs hit it hard.
BLISSEY HYPER OFFENSE BABY!!
Blissey @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
Tera Type: Fairy/Ghost
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Calm Mind
- Soft-Boiled
Okay so I’m gonna be honest: this started out as a joke. The concept itself does sound stupid. I was thinking about how Blissey lost a lot of its options in Gen 9, and how it could adapt to the metagame. So then I thought “why not just make it an offensive mon lmao”. I was going to label this thing as a one off gimmick, but the more I used it the more I realized how… weirdly optimized it is for the Gen 9 OU metagame
Blissey has a great special move pool, with a lot of decent options for certain mons (for example you could run Focus Blast for Kingambit), but the one I used was BoltBeam, so I’ll focus on that. There are a lot of other great options, for example it even gets STAB Hyper Voice, but I have yet to try it out so I can’t say how good it is
Even with no investment Blissey is still very specially bulky, so it gets a lot of switch in opportunities against most special attackers. Even against boosting threats like Enamorus and Gholdengo, it can match their boosts with its own CM. Its physical bulk is nothing to scoff at either. It's not brushing physical hits like they’re nothing, but it can survive them enough to strike back. Here have some funny calcs:
0 Atk Great Tusk Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 270-318 (41.4 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 312-367 (47.9 - 56.3%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragapult Dragon Darts (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 504-594 (77.4 - 91.2%) -- approx. 2HKO
252 Atk Black Glasses Sharpness Samurott-Hisui Ceaseless Edge vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 333-393 (51.1 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Unless the move is named Close Combat, Blissey can survive the vast majority of non-boosted physical hits in the meta. Which is important because these are the mons switching into Blissey, not the other way around. If Blissey is walling the opponent’s mon (which it likely is), the opponent is going to switch into something like Tusks because:
- Non-offensive Blissey (so just the standard variant lol) is very passive, so normally taking advantage of it is normally very easy. This is a weakness that offensive blissey fixes. Instead of being a momentum sink, it's actually very restricting to switch into.
- Offensive Blissey itself forces switches. Not only because of BoltBeam coverage threatening the mon on the field, but because it can spam Calm Mind to blow past the rest of their team. Calm Mind boosts it gets really easily mind you.
Seriously, I’ve pulled off sweeps with Blissey of all things, which is a sentence that has never been said in the history of competitive pokemon, but its true.
Here’s a team I’ve been using: https://pokepast.es/9dca5147251dc095
And here are a few replays:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1895355044-6o8khq9d099ksmf9lujyu0xtnwyzu93pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1895232173-0wg8sg26va8e5lggrjff3n4pfszi1s1pw
Why is Samurott in top5 above the two moonblast monsters and barely behind Gholdengo?
Are this stats considering all the ladder or only focusing on the top portion of it?
I feel less bad getting stomped by the otter now, but I'm so confused. On paper and when I use him, he is very underwhelming, yet here we are. 1/4 of teams are using him...
And why not use Glimmora if you want reliable spikes while threatening GT and Hatterena?
Are this stats considering all the ladder or only focusing on the top portion of it?
I feel less bad getting stomped by the otter now, but I'm so confused. On paper and when I use him, he is very underwhelming, yet here we are. 1/4 of teams are using him...
And why not use Glimmora if you want reliable spikes while threatening GT and Hatterena?
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Blissey is hotter with Serene Grace and Quick Claw.
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Blissey is hotter with Serene Grace and Quick Claw.
I think its because Ceaseless Edge forces spikes on the opposing side and is a real nice add for the spark of Hyper Offensive teams we've been seeing. Glimmora could easily get Magic Bounced by Hatterene but that's not the case with Ceaseless Edge since it bypasses the ability. Also when you think about common Rapid Spinners (Namely Tusk) it doesn't want to get Razor Shell'd by Samurott-H
252+ Atk Sharpness Samurott-Hisui Razor Shell vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Great Tusk: 210-248 (48.3 - 57.1%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Hamurott is a lot more versatile as a Spikes setter than Glimmora is, with the latter usually stuck on HO teams when being used to set them up. Hamurott, on the other hand, can be used as a Spikes lead, a SD sweeper, or a choiced attacker (Band or Scarf) while setting Spikes with Ceaseless Edge. Hatterene can also Tera Steel to be immune to Poison STAB and Mortal Spin, making Glimm's job harder, while Hamurott just mindlessly clicks Edge with no repercussion other than a rare miss.
Ceaseless Edge + Sharpness basically guarantees you're setting a layer of Spikes AND doing damage no matter what and with Razor Shell, it checks the tiers best spinner in Great Tusk with Tera Ghost.
Hisui Samurott just has far too much utility, and it's funny because you can even run it offensively and still get results.
Yeah, it even gets knock if you feel like having two dark moves on a set
There's an RMT by Lifeismyth that used Sandy Shocks to great success, and it peaked in the 2,000s:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...ked-2k-rt-ft-azumarill-moltres-galar.3722559/
There was also a Lead Sandy Shocks Screens team that some YouTuber made that was running amok for a bit. I faced it six times in 10 matches at one point a couple weeks ago
being in the Top 5 fills me with so much serotonin that it's insane.
Nice Speed after Booster Energy, once per battle but played well it's good
Stealth Rock, and even Spikes for HO
Tbolt+Earth Power+Tera Ice is pretty nice coverage from a 121 SpAtk creature
Threatens the Top 10 Usage in fact, even Valiant doesn't like neutral special hits
Ground typing makes it immune to Zapdos Volt Switch and resists it's Hurricanes
Overall solid mon and happy cause Magneton is a nice design and it got another chance to shine on competitive
Skeledirge @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 232 Def / 28 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Torch Song
- Slack Off
- Earth Power
- Will-O-Wisp/Tera Blast
Having trouble with Sneasler? Iron Valiant? Zamazenta? Dragonite? Gargnacl? Hatterena? GSlowking? Belly Drummers? Dragon type DD/SD?
Full def Covert Cloack Skeledirge is your answer! Never fear the 20% defense drop from crunch anymore!
Again, Glowking (best regenerator in OU - no argument there) and Torn-T have excellent synergy. Glowking is weak to ground, Torn is immune to it, both have regenerator.
You don't have to pick one or the other... they are both useful and they actually complement each other extremely well.
This is the reason you need a Hatterena on your team
More seriously I use Assault Vest Iron Treads to take care of the problem, but it isn’t always reliable. Not more unreliable that checking Iron Defense Zamz spamming crunch in order to get your defense lowered.
Is Iron Treads playable?
He's a better spinner than Great Tusk.
Slightly better raw special bulk than Great Tusk, but a much better defensive typing means he can take a hit on the special side and stay in, and between the two it makes Assault Vest usable as more than a gimmick. This is particularly valuable against the fairies, since he can whack them with a steel STAB for super effective damage while not particularly fearing their coverage moves, and having a neutral STAB versus flying is nice as well. Half of the tier's flying types have a secondary to resist steel, but not all, and it still smacks tera-flying.
Beyond that, there's actually relevant mons between Tusk's and Treads' speed tier now, which is a small added advantage, and he can pull a Steel Beam suicide hazards lead if you want. Plus, if you want to run Zamazenta, you're not stacking fighting types if you go with Treads.
Tusk is still the better mon by default, but Treads has very clear advantages over his grandpa.
From what I can speculate, Treads seems to have a strong mu vs Zapdos. Being an electric immunity not hit hard by Hurricane. Treads can threaten back with Knock or Ice Spinner and only fears the potential Heat Wave. It also has a better mu vs Ghold due to having better special bulk and a steel resist.Who uses Treads?
Now for thoughts on the drops cause the only rise this month is Sandy Shocks.
Good luck with all the chaos for a month UU.
People treat basc like it’s miles superior to floatzel. Floatzel is heaps faster, Has a weaker but not awful secondary ability in Water Veil (a physical attacker immune to burn is nice) and only a few point less in attack. Basculegion overall edges out Floatzel, but it’s not invalidated by it. Floatzel has its own use as a water type speed demon, only outsped by Greninja, Barraskewda, Inteleon, and Wugtrio (which the latter two aren’t exactly amazing).
Personally, I consider Floatzel to be superior to Basculegion due to the much higher speed allowing it to outspeed Booster Energy Iron Valiant, which is a big threat that you need to prep for if you want any sort of consistency for your rain team. Due to Floatzel's much higher Base Speed, it can afford to run Adamant more easily than Basculegion, and an Adamant Floatzel outdamages a Jolly Basculegion. Floatzel is also much more useful when you don't have your rain up as well since it actually has an actual functioning speed stat whereas Basculegion gets out-sped by like everything. Basculegion is also more easily forced out by Kingambit due to the Ghost-typing.
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