So let me get this straight, ive been childish before, petty, immature, and people always call me out on it, i could admit it here, sometimes even despicable, but the way people attacked and joked about this ban is the most immature thing i have ever seen, yall are acting like they made this decision without yall input, the community input is what they listen to, the SURVEY INPUT is what they listen to, it got a 3.7, which warrants a quickban vote, and people saying 3.7 happened before with no suspect , thats the threshold, where they could CHOOSE to suspect or quickban for the betterment of sv ou, you dont get to tell them to pull the trigger or not, im all about being rebellious against decisions being made but yall are just straight up attacking and bullying them with little to no substance and its starting to look like some of yall are the ones that need to be stood up to, so let me provide some ACTUAL logic in the topic im supposed to talk about today, and justify their decision, (and call out the 1 tiny flaw in it):
- Sleep is no base to compare to paralysis, sun/heat rock, rain/damp rock, items, the number 1 difference is paralysis still has only a 25% chance to not move, sun is a boost to certain pokemon, rain is the same, its a boost to certain pokemon, items boost all pokemon, sleep has a 100% chance to not move on turn 1, 33% chance to wake up on each sleep turn, which is a 66% chance to not move, and theres moves that put you to sleep directly? , its like a free kill , the odds are in your favor and if u dont have a sleep sponge u just lose a mon, oh and comparing it to freeze is ridiculous because theres no move that just freezes u directly, theres no freeze powder, no freeznosis, no uhh no freezor(freeze version of spore ik its bad LOL), and if there were, direct freeze moves would be banned aswell, people need to understand when something is uncompetitive in tournament play or high ladder play, its uncompetitive by default.
- "Sleep was never a problem before darkrai came in" lemme reiterate, nobody cared to explore sleep over the last decade and a half before darkrai came around, darkrai was never broken it just rose awareness to the problem at hand, because once people explored sleep after it was brought up during the darkrai discussion, other sleepers came forth and became very uncompetitive in the ladder and tournament play such as hypnosis valiant(which i think is scarier than darkrai), lilligant hisui(which is also scarier), which have been sweeping teams left and right, almost like these sleep moves are buffing them indirectly, i wonder if yall had the same opinions when they banned baton pass, like baton pass wasnt the problem right? Or shed tail right? Yall really saying it was the mons? baton pass and shed tail were apart of the game but it was uncompetitive, so is sleep but its uncompetitive, its not different, its the same, its a double standard, and those of u were comparing it to banning abilities as a joke, lemme remind yall: arena trap, shadow tag, those were banned too, and what about evasion?, Evasion moves, they were banned, its the same thing, yall r basically saying lets have a clause where only 1 evasion move can be used, just wouldnt work out, which is why evasion moves were banned.
- People need to understand that the people who run the tier want to make the game as close to the cartridge as possible, so that means keeping the mods to the absolute minimum, so if sleep was a problem enough to have a sleep clause mod in place to try to balance it, then sleep was never competitive to begin with, so the decision that needed to be made here would be to remove the mod and tackle the actual problem, which is sleep itself, 1 less mod to the game brings us closer to the cartridge.
- This is the 1 flaw i was talking about, which is yawn, yawn requires a turn to use, and another turn to make you fall asleep, which is completely fine in competitive play, because if they yawn spam the whole game on switches, then yawn is eventually gonna run out of pp, they cant do it forever, if anything it keeps setup threats in check by forcing them out, pretty chill move, took 2 turns to set up, which isnt bad at all, im sad that its gone. Oh yeah ban dire claw and relic song too if ur gonna ban yawn, dire claw sleeping more than 1 is insane, but i guess it doesnt matter because sneasler is banned but do note that smeargle is a prominent lead and can use dire claw.
Im concluding this post by saying youll be grateful in the future that this decision was made, its one of those things that age really well, but isnt very popular at first, i understand ur frustration, their decision may not be the most popular one, but it was the right decision to make for the sake of all competitive play.
