More than this, it gets such amounts of chances simply because of how absurdly bulky it is, courtesy of its boxart legendary BST. this amount of bulk, in tandem with a solid-enough speed tier and high offensive power (despite the lack of an offensive ability) is that often places the opponent in the back foot and forces them to risk freeze as many times as needed to force out/kill the mon. But yeah its level of bulk is so insane in tandem with its other aforementioned traits, that it often gets away with various exchanges/trades in spite of its infamously bad ice typing (even fully invested 90-100 bp stab moves off of 120+ attacking stats often don't ohko from full, for instance), hazards weakness notwithstanding. It's further exacerbated by its sub/protect set which is rather hard for weaker attacks to break the sub, letting it actually make use of the otherwise-unnnotable pressure ability to really drain moves like cc/stone edge out of pp super fast, especially if it gets the sub/protect turns right. This isn't even mentioning its ability to tera and make said "bad" typing irrelevant in the first place.Kyurem seems to land the freezes more often simply because it has two moves with a chance to freeze instead of one, one for damage and one for bulky Waters. There aren't many Pokémon with 10% secondary effect moves that can freely click their STAB, and even resisted hits still allow for progress in the match, unless you're playing against Heatran
When I came back after a hiatus, I honestly expected to see it at least resuspected
Now, is the mon without flaws? Not really, it can often feel like a tera hog especially depending on the set, and said hazard weakness can sting without proper management, yet in spite of these flaws, potential 4mms for both moves and evs/choice of tera, and a lack of a real ability for the most part, its high and well rounded stats often let it get by anyway, especially as it wields one of the already-best stab options in the game anyway...which also has a chance to add further rng into the game (its moves could freeze at any moment, and from there a frozen victim could either thaw out instantly and pretend nothing happened, or remain frozen forever and become the biggest setup fodder ever).
It's for these reasons that I was -and still am- upset at the vote result being so close to us being freed from this fat demon. Especially since the support for kicking it out at long last from here seems so mid by this point. I do still consider it highly problematic, for all the aforementioned reasons and more.
Before I'm hit with the "Hoopa U/Zamazenta have similarly high bst yet they're fine!!" statement: Hoopa's typing is obviously much worse than Kyurem's, and its stats are distributed in such a way that it's not really overbearing; the combination of middling hp/def/speed really holds it back from brokenness (not to mention it's hindered by a psychic typing and essentially no ability, which have managed to even knock down Deo S in here), and idt anyone here would dispute that. As for Zamazenta....I'm gonna be honest, most of what I stated about Kyurem do apply to Zama as well to a T; the main difference is that Zama has fewer weaknesses but can only attack from 1 side of the spectrum and suffers from anti-contact measures. Most of its sets are -fine- but its iron defense body press set (ESPECIALLY when backed up by sub+the right tera type) is a disgusting fish that can just autowin with minimal conditions met, and the meta would indeed be better off without it imo. Particularly since said set, with the right filler move, absurd bulk (especially backed up by the right tera type) and even crunch defense drops (even vs tera ghost stuff) can BS its way past most of its checks except for stuff like, haze toxapex or unaware mons.














