God I played against a set like this earlier in the week. I lost the game due to being entirely unexpecting fucking Bulwark to burn my big boy (Okidogi, mind you). Miserable experience.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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With the thread getting back on track, why not talk about our good friend Prehistoric Entei
With the suspect test in full swing, have people developed new techs/ rediscovered old ones to keep Gouge in line, or has this just solidified the notion of it being a phat bastard that's too hard to kill, hits way harder than it should and thus should be shown out of OU?
tera fairy moltres w/ roar answers it quite nicely but everything else just kinda dies after it gets a single DD boost. alas i highly doubt this mon will dodge the banhammer this time
I change my mind, Kyurem can go too lol. The hax fishing is so so so fucking disgusting. Its fine to play against if you are playing stall but on any other style a freeze is essentially game losing. Clowns apologizing for the freezes on the ladder like that is not the reason you are using the mon/set.
naw. It doesnt do nearly enough damage hed have to freeze the whole team basically. Blissey can run softboiled/cm/seismic/xxx and actually stall out the kyurem if they decide to stay in for some reason. Add on a sp def corvi as well and u can pp stall the kyurem as long as the worst case scenario doesnt happen and they freeze you. Ting lu can even take a hit and rest it off. I find the stall mu to be super easy for tect kyurem personally
Gouging Fire suspect all of a sudden? I have not seen a Gouging Fire in weeks on the ladder
Gouging Fire typically has low usage outside of high ladder. It takes more skill compared to most Pokemon to get the most out of it. Top players know how broken it is since they know how to pilot it right.
What is wrong with the OU Metagame Discussion Thread? I want to first off say that the vast majority of users who posts in this thread an unhealthy amount are pretty bad at the Metagame and post way more than they should. The majority of posts is just people dog piling on one random user with a hot take because they think it makes them look knowledgeable. This usually degenerates into petty insults and extremely weak arguments (a single replay? SpongeBob meme formatting is now the standard of excellence?) . I look back at some of my posts in the earlier section of this thread and go “huh?” One of the reason I stopped posting a lot in this thread was I knew I was simply just talking about things I didn’t know anything about (and Ampharos For OU came to and end R.I.P.).
TLDR: Please stop posting to randomly dog pile and meme and first achieve reqs, and then you can proceed to randomly dog pile and meme again.
TLDR: Please stop posting to randomly dog pile and meme and first achieve reqs, and then you can proceed to randomly dog pile and meme again.
although i agree that gouging does get a lot better on high ladder, i personally see a fair bit of gouging at low ladder when i'm reqs grinding. not sure if that's a universal experience or just my own. none of us can truly be certain of anything's usage recently until the august stats come out, though, so i can't confidently say whether you're right or wrong
Not unexpected. Gouging Fire was the most complained about mon among the OLT qualifiers. In this regard, there seems to be a big differential between high and low ladder, with the most skilled players exploiting it greatly.
I'm surprised the obviously broken mons don't get abused more by low ladder players, cause most of the top mons have relatively low usage low ladder, like I've barely seen 
where i am on the ladder even though it is kinda insane, or 
for that matter. Also I swear you see the dumbest strats ever down there, if I see scale shot 
without a toxic orb one more time I am gonna lose it. (can you tell im barely still low ladder rn?)
where i am on the ladder even though it is kinda insane, or for that matter. Also I swear you see the dumbest strats ever down there, if I see scale shot without a toxic orb one more time I am gonna lose it. (can you tell im barely still low ladder rn?)I'm surprised the obviously broken mons don't get abused more by low ladder players, cause most of the top mons have relatively low usage low ladder, like I've barely seen
I think it’s because once
or start getting abused, the player rises out of low ladder.
Hi all, just a general notice to keep this forum a respectful place where people are free to chat without hostility or petty insults being thrown around over nothing; disagreements are fine and I appreciate fostering discussion between users with differing thoughts, but please refer to the Forum Rules for some general guidance on conduct and how to act when someone has an opinion that isn't your own.
This also applies to those borderline posts that supposedly aren't insults or personal attacks - we are a human moderation team capable of reading and interpreting context, and I think I speak for everyone using this forum when I say that this place would be much nicer without strings of one-liners that add nothing aside from putting another user down. Thanks, appreciate you all and I'm looking forward to seeing more civil discussion over the next few weeks leading up to the Gouging Fire suspect!
This also applies to those borderline posts that supposedly aren't insults or personal attacks - we are a human moderation team capable of reading and interpreting context, and I think I speak for everyone using this forum when I say that this place would be much nicer without strings of one-liners that add nothing aside from putting another user down. Thanks, appreciate you all and I'm looking forward to seeing more civil discussion over the next few weeks leading up to the Gouging Fire suspect!
I am of the same opinion and that is why I never post reviews in discussions like this. I'm just looking at the recent comments and that's it.
real, I rarely lurk here most of the time, this thread is just too cancer at times. Hope the "wonderful" arguments aren't being too annoying to deal with.
Idk man, CM Speed Boost Stored Power? Espathra in the tier without TB would just make Magnezone stonks rise to clear steels. ofc magnezone sucks ass this gen and there are eight fucking dark types in OU but point stands
on a side note JackRG gen 1 to 8 dont have tera, you could go triple/quadraple post in a row in their forums ffs have the opinions you want to have but how can a person be so blind in the best case scenario or argue in bad faith in the worst case scenario
So I had been screwing around a little, and I realized that Roaring Moon could potentially run a Tera Dragon Outrage set kind of like Gouging Fire does. In the process, I made a few interesting observations. First, Moon is actually more powerful. Even a Jolly Roaring Moon can have more attack than an Adamant Gouging Fire. So under the same items and maybe field conditions, the raw power would be a bit in favor RM. Second, Iron Head coverage could potentially be used to deal with Fairies that would resist Outrage and Knock Off. I don't know if this is optimal, but it is interesting. The third observation is that Outrage is not an expected use, giving it a decent surprise factor. I have not done all the calcs on every wall or check, but I think many could be chunked hard based on Gouging's calcs and Moon's superior raw power.
Gouging Fire obviously has advantages with bulk and Burn immunity. Moon is much easier to RK with priority. I would say that RM is more bulky than some realize, particularly on the special side. Obviously, it isn't the same. The speed tier is much better, though, making you only need 1 DD against most teams to outspeed everything that isn't priority.
In the right team concept, it seems possible that this kind of RM set could thrive. Create a team that destroys Fairy types. Maybe have a trapping Heatran set. I really want to play around with it.
Gouging Fire obviously has advantages with bulk and Burn immunity. Moon is much easier to RK with priority. I would say that RM is more bulky than some realize, particularly on the special side. Obviously, it isn't the same. The speed tier is much better, though, making you only need 1 DD against most teams to outspeed everything that isn't priority.
In the right team concept, it seems possible that this kind of RM set could thrive. Create a team that destroys Fairy types. Maybe have a trapping Heatran set. I really want to play around with it.
All of them. The various DD Booster Attack sets seem to be what's generally seen as the most problematic of the individual sets, but the fact that Gouging Fire keeps adapting with new sets to subvert existing counterplay is the main grievance. It's gotten to the point where it's extremely difficult to answer every set in the builder and scout the mon in battle without putting yourself in a very difficult situation due to its speed-boosting move, huge reliable recovery augmented bulk, and high proto-boosted attack.
Tera Dragon Outrage made waves in OLT shortly before the suspect announcement. That being said, I don't think I can attribute the suspect reasoning to any one GFire set, but rather, the full spectrum of all of the possible sets and variations it can run, ask too much of the average player to be able to adequately cover off in the builder. It doesn't do anything better than anything else before it, it just does too much, too well, too much of the time.
A true Jack of Alltrades
anyone here think knock off darkrai on bulky hazard stack can run tera ground as a defensive tera type?this allows it to not get t-waved by glowking and avoid thunderclap mindgames from bolt all together, what do yall think?or is tera poison simply just better regardless
The downside about Darkrai in this form is you're giving all forms of Ogerpon an easy way of clubbing your ass to death, and putting yourself directly in harm's way of boots Kyu to boot, neither of which is a good situation to put yourself in
> Immediately shed a light on sleep after getting introduced to the tier and caused it to finally get banned after years of making us play a modded game to keep it around
> Its presence in the tier caused unprecedented adaptation, allowing for cool Pokémon like Tinkaton and Fezandipiti to gain viability without pushing anything out of the tier
> Has been a huge thorn in the side of Gliscor, a previously banned and still contentious Pokémon this generation
Darkrai has been one of the sickest additions to the tier and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.