Ok we wait for real learn set then nvm
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion
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Yeah, and one having 3 stats over 100 while the other only has one seems, incorrect.
Yeah, no. Idk wtf is going on with that supposed stat spread, but it's incorrect.
Zoroark-Hisui I personally think will be a great add to the meta because it'll be another Knock Off user which I think is lacking pretty hard rn in the tier as well as solid pivoting with U-Turn, has access to Will-O-Wisp, access to Trick, Nasty Plot and Bitter Malice looks like a really cool move to just spam.
Double checking the stats here myself with my game open. Lv100, 31/all, no EVs.
Wake: 339/202/218/286/202/254 (99/83/91/125/83/109 base)
Leaves: 321/296/212/176/252/244 (90/130/88/70/108/104 base)
Wake still doesn't learn Solar Beam though.
I am so scared of what these two paradoxes are gonna do to OU, both seem super scary to wall, but at least one has a not so great defensive typing, and at least wake doesn't have as much coverage.
Regardless all you need on leaves is Megahorn, Psyblade, Leaf Blade, and Sacred Sword and you are absolutely set to just obliterate everything.
Regardless all you need on leaves is Megahorn, Psyblade, Leaf Blade, and Sacred Sword and you are absolutely set to just obliterate everything.
The TMs should be easy enough to confirm for people, so I can trust those enough, but the Serebii stat spread looks way off. Besides Suicune's low BST, the SpD breaks the "Odds only" pattern for Past-Paradox stat totals (outside the Cover Legends).
Hurricane for Walking Wake would be massive, on top of expanding its neutral profile it would also give us some real Flying Offense in OU, something that's been surprisingly lacking so far this gen of OU when you look at things (the lower ranked Hurricane users like Pelipper and Jugulis, plus Acrobatics RM sets are the extent of what I'm aware of currently). Want a hard confirm on this one in particular
Hurricane for Walking Wake would be massive, on top of expanding its neutral profile it would also give us some real Flying Offense in OU, something that's been surprisingly lacking so far this gen of OU when you look at things (the lower ranked Hurricane users like Pelipper and Jugulis, plus Acrobatics RM sets are the extent of what I'm aware of currently). Want a hard confirm on this one in particular
How can you look at these numbers and think they make sense for Walking Wake?
I beg PLEASE give a SECOND before you blindly post a bunch of stuff you don't have exact stats on.
Wake is probably broken considering how hard it hits. (Also no one runs assault vest azu, which is a shaky counter at best.)
Leaves seems busted too but it at least has a poor defensive typing to keep it kinda in check.
Leaves seems busted too but it at least has a poor defensive typing to keep it kinda in check.
Because I am sitting here, trying to build on stuff WITHOUT having access to datamining, and working on what tools are currently available to me. As I posted a few posts ago, I corrected the Serebii stats by looking at them myself via the damage calc and my own in-game stats.
Also, Tera Grass or Tera Electric for Wake? Seeing as how the set is looking like a Hydro Steam/Flamethrower/Draco/TB Specs set. (Seriously, this thing's move pool is liquid ass.)
Iron Leaves doesn't look bad in this meta. Grass Psychic is a horrible typing, but base 130 Atk Leaf blades are also really good vs stuff like Dondozo, Garganacl, and Great Tusk and its got sacred Sword for Gambit. Probably will be a bit Tera reliant though because its speed isn't as good as the 3 Protean starters meaning its U-Turn bait for all of them.
Greetings from the Chien-Pao meta (no I don't immediately think Wake is that level of busted, just funny that this comparison comes up again, Azu even being one of the things people tried to force as a check to Leopard)
I think you'd be better off going to Tera on an existing STAB. Hydro Steam and Draco are both pretty spammable for different reasons, so better to nuke harder on them than try to juggle a new typing's defensive profile to add coverage.
Also if you want to keep up with Data, I suggest checking out the Orange Islands section. People are digging hard into info with images and tweet citations to verify stuff, so you can compare or even contribute with your own copy of the game if you like.
Can dataminers use Wake and Leaves movesets to see some of the tutors we will see in the dlcs?
Honestly, Dragon / Water / Fire coverage is really all it needs, breaking through most of the meta except super fat SpDef walls and Azumarill, which can be chipped easily. I can see it just using Tera Water and brute-forcing its way through resists in Sun or Rain with Hydro Steam.
Yes, mom. Sorry, mom.
Then tf do I use for my last move slot??? You don't have VoltTurn, Sub is off the table for a Choice set, and the only other Special moves you get are complete dog water. (Snarl, Mud Shot, Chilling Water, D Pulse... Not even Ice Beam.)
Greetings from the Chien-Pao meta (no I don't immediately think Wake is that level of busted, just funny that this comparison comes up again, Azu even being one of the things people tried to force as a check to Leopard)
I think you'd be better off going to Tera on an existing STAB. Hydro Steam and Draco are both pretty spammable for different reasons, so better to nuke harder on them than try to juggle a new typing's defensive profile to add coverage.
Also if you want to keep up with Data, I suggest checking out the Orange Islands section. People are digging hard into info with images and tweet citations to verify stuff, so you can compare or even contribute with your own copy of the game if you like.
See above. Still unsure about 4th move.
It does get walled by goldengo, however its coverage is insane so anything that isn't a ghost/steel type just gets smacked by it.
Megahorn, Sacred Sword, Leaf Blade, and psyblade hits everything but ghost/steel types at least neutrally I believe.
Yeah, Dragon STAB is actually OP af in this meta since it doesn't have any real resist. If Tapu Fini were here it could be a different story, but it isn't so there is little keeping it in check aside from Fairy-Tera on random Pokemon. It can even go Tera Fire to troll Iron Valiant.
https://pokepast.es/4bffbd4138207325
I want your guys' thoughts on this preliminary sun team draft. Keep in mind that I am a balance player, rather than HO, and this is first draft.
Suicune is there because Wake isn't on PS yet, Hydro Pump will be Hydro Steam, Tera Fire Clod is purely to beat the most common Quiver 3 Attacks Volc, and Wake's spread is to get a Speed Boost from Proto. (My spreads are generally built for 50/all since I do enjoy playing in-game.)
I want your guys' thoughts on this preliminary sun team draft. Keep in mind that I am a balance player, rather than HO, and this is first draft.
Suicune is there because Wake isn't on PS yet, Hydro Pump will be Hydro Steam, Tera Fire Clod is purely to beat the most common Quiver 3 Attacks Volc, and Wake's spread is to get a Speed Boost from Proto. (My spreads are generally built for 50/all since I do enjoy playing in-game.)
Literally, the only mons that are able to check this coverage are Azu and Fini (the latter of which isn't even in the game). And if that wasn't enough, the best Special walls in the tier are both weak to Water (Ting-Lu and Clod), so I have no doubts this mon is gonna be good with Booster Energy or Specs.
Water absorb Clod stocks are going to raise a lot.
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