Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

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taziathegreat said:
To make this more than just a one liner, how does feel about ursaluna it’s got by far the best offensive movepool in the tier. And the attack and bulk to do alot with it
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I don't know anything but I feel like Luna comes one or two gens too late. Its stats look good and movepool is great and fo sho will be helpful in stoping ghost offense but I think it's hard justifying its place instead of something like Tusk or Lando, specially when everything is so fast. Guts Flame Orb seems very exploitable, and Bulletproof with like AV or CB or Lefties... idk it doesn't seem special enough to make it a staple of SV OU, but I would love to be proven wrong
 
I've seen a lot of people say that Chien-Pao deserves to be unbanned from Ubers once home drops and I have to ask why?

It has access to dark/ice/fighting coverage which gives it a SE hit on basically every mon in the metagame. And even if it doesn't, It has high attack and sword of ruin to make walling it nigh impossible. iirc the best way to deal with pao when it was OU legal was to revenge kill it. Except that doesn't even really work because the only non scarfed thing in OU that does is pult which can't switch in and still gets deleted by sucker punch or ice shard. The only reliable method would be to run a suboptimal scarf pult/pao of your own or run a paradox mon with speed + proto/drive, which just makes the game even more HO based than it already is. Fairies like clef and fini do wall it pretty well, but I'm not sure that having to run one of them on every team healthy for the metagame. Do we really want another Gen 8 DLC 1 meta to happen? Because I feel like legalizing pao would make that happen.
 
Terror_Taste said:
I've seen a lot of people say that Chien-Pao deserves to be unbanned from Ubers once home drops and I have to ask why?

It has access to dark/ice/fighting coverage which gives it a SE hit on basically every mon in the metagame. And even if it doesn't, It has high attack and sword of ruin to make walling it nigh impossible. iirc the best way to deal with pao when it was OU legal was to revenge kill it. Except that doesn't even really work because the only non scarfed thing in OU that does is pult which can't switch in and still gets deleted by sucker punch or ice shard. The only reliable method would be to run a suboptimal scarf pult/pao of your own or run a paradox mon with speed + proto/drive, which just makes the game even more HO based than it already is. Fairies like clef and fini do wall it pretty well, but I'm not sure that having to run one of them on every team healthy for the metagame. Do we really want another Gen 8 DLC 1 meta to happen? Because I feel like legalizing pao would make that happen.
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New Zacian-H with an Ice typing is apparently fine in OU, even with dual STAB, better ability, is stronger after a Sword Dance (4/3 * 2 > 2.5), and STAB priority. I disagree and pretty sure majority of people disagree, but people have their opinions.
 
taziathegreat said:
Do we know how dire claw is weighted ?
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here's how it's coded on showdown
 
I mean Idk if I understand how regulation works but Dire Claw should be banned right? It goes directly against Sleep Clause bc you could theoretically put more than one opponent to sleep as it's a random chance of it happening
 
arnimacarni said:
I mean Idk if I understand how regulation works but Dire Claw should be banned right? It goes directly against Sleep Clause bc you could theoretically put more than one opponent to sleep as it's a random chance of it happening
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Sleep Clause Mod ignores how the game would work and just stop the second instance from happening, like how it happens with Effect Spore or if you click Spore a second time.
 
arnimacarni said:
I mean Idk if I understand how regulation works but Dire Claw should be banned right? It goes directly against Sleep Clause bc you could theoretically put more than one opponent to sleep as it's a random chance of it happening
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It would work like Relic Song, which isn't used because it changes Meloetta into a frail physical attacker. Most sleep inducing moves don't give you a huge difference from cart play since it's not hard to just simply avoid using Spore or Sleep Powder again. Dire Claw is different since it's an attacking move but is actually good unlike Relic Song. For Cart play, once you put a Pokemon to sleep with Dire Claw, any time you use it afterwards it runs the risk of breaking sleep clause.

Now normally this isn't an issue because more people play on Showdown, but it's supposed to be a simulation of cart gameplay and people still play cart too.
 
Cuddly said:
It would work like Relic Song, which isn't used because it changes Meloetta into a frail physical attacker. Most sleep inducing moves don't give you a huge difference from cart play since it's not hard to just simply avoid using Spore or Sleep Powder again. Dire Claw is different since it's an attacking move but is actually good unlike Relic Song. For Cart play, once you put a Pokemon to sleep with Dire Claw, any time you use it afterwards it runs the risk of breaking sleep clause.

Now normally this isn't an issue because more people play on Showdown, but it's supposed to be a simulation of cart gameplay and people still play cart too.
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Yes so that's what I mean. What happens if you already have an opponent asleep? Does Dire Claw autofail like Spore? Or is it coded to not trigger sleep chance? Bc that would be deviating from cart gameplay

Bc like we could say, okay it doesn't matter bc it's luck based and won't happen too often, but it's a 50% (?) chance of inducing status and ppl here be complaining of Scald 30% burn rate
 
arnimacarni said:
Yes so that's what I mean. What happens if you already have an opponent asleep? Does Dire Claw autofail like Spore? Or is it coded to not trigger sleep chance? Bc that would be deviating from cart gameplay

Bc like we could say, okay it doesn't matter bc it's luck based and won't happen too often, but it's a 50% (?) chance of inducing status and ppl here be complaining of Scald 30% burn rate
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I mean dire claw already got restricted in stabmons so we could see a similar case here just so sneasler can only cheese past so many of its checks/counters, a similar clause/restriction to sleep clause regarding its status inflicting was placed onto dire claw to make it less uncompetitive, and I can already see something similar happening in a post home meta.
 
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BolTingBlazie said:
I mean dire claw already got restricted in stabmons so we could see a similar case here just so sneasler can only cheese past so many of its checks/counters, a similar clause/restriction to sleep clause regarding its status inflicting was placed onto dire claw to make it less uncompetitive, and I can already see something similar happening in a post home meta.
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Regular OU is a bit different since they don't like banning things that are only on 1 Pokemon. Like if Gothitelle was the only STag user, it would be banned instead of STag. Similarly, Houndstone was banned, but more than likely will be unbanned with Last Respects being banned because of Basculegion getting it (more than likely, but could easily not get the move due to updates and stuff).
 
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These were the usage stats for Great Tusk in WCOP qualifiers. It truly is insane to me how Great Tusk usage continues to climb. We’re very close to Great Tusk being on every single team lol, did a video discussing Great Tusk In SV OU today upon seeing these insane numbers.

 
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