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welcome to the sv pu speculation thread! use this thread to discuss any topics related to sv pu

/tour rules -Abomasnow, -Altaria, -Appletun, -Arboliva, -Arcanine, -Avalugg, -Bellibolt, -Blissey, -Bombirdier, -Braviary, -Bronzong, -Bruxish, -Cacturne, -Cetitan, -Clawitzer, -Cloyster, -Coalossal, -Copperajah, -Crabominable, -Cryogonal, -Dachsbun, -Dragalge, -Drednaw, -Drifblim, -Dudunsparce, -Eelektross, -Espeon, -Farigiraf, -Flamigo, -Flapple, -Florges, -Froslass, -Frosmoth, -Gardevoir, -Glaceon, -Golduck, -Goodra, -Hariyama, -Haxorus, -Heracross, -Honchkrow, -Houndoom, -Indeedee, -Jolteon, -Klawf, -Komala, -Krookodile, -Leafeon, -Lilligant, -Lurantis, -Luxray, -Lycanroc-Base, -Lycanroc-Dusk, -Mabosstiff, -Magnezone, -Masquerain, -Medicham, -Mimikyu, -Mismagius, -Mudsdale, -Muk, -Oricorio-Base, -Oricorio-Pom-Pom, -Oricorio-Sensu, -Palossand, -Passimian, -Perrserker, -Pincurchin, -Pyroar, -Qwilfish, -Rabsca, -Revavroom, -Rotom-Base, -Rotom-Frost, -Rotom-Heat, -Rotom-Mow, -Sableye, -Salazzle, -Sandaconda, -Scovillain, -Skuntank, -Slaking, -Slowbro, -Spiritomb, -Squawkabilly, -Staraptor, -Sylveon, -Tatsugiri, -Tauros-Paldea, -Tauros-Paldea-Fire, -Toxicroak, -Toxtricity, -Umbreon, -Ursaring, -Vaporeon, -Veluza, -Venomoth, -Vivillon, -Weavile, -Whiscash, -Wigglytuff, -Zangoose, -Zoroark, -Chansey, -Hattrem, -Haunter, -Magneton, -Naclstack, -Primeape, -Scyther

everything not in here is usable! the format we'll be using for now is gen9ru for roomtours. please note that this list most likely won't be that accurate; there's no way to tell what exactly will end up pu and the list will change with time. it'll get updated once we know what happens with tera. feel free to share your thoughts here!

:ampharos: ampharos
:basculin: basculin
:banette: bannette
:beartic: beartic
:camerupt: camerupt
:carkol: carkol
:cufant: cufant
:dedenne: dedenne
:delibird: delibird
:dugtrio: dugtrio
:dunsparce: dunsparce
:eiscue: eiscue
:electrode: electrode
:falinks: falinks
:flareon: flareon
:fletchinder: fletchinder
:floragato: floragato
:glalie: glalie
:gogoat: gogoat
:gothitelle: gothitelle
:greedent: greedent
:grumpig: grumpig
:gumshoos: gumshoos
:hypno: hypno
:jumpluff: jumpluff
:kricketune: kricketune
:lumineon: lumineon
:lycanroc-midnight: lycanroc-midnight
:oinkologne: oinkologne-male
:oinkologne-f: oinkologne-female
:oranguru: oranguru
:oricorio-pau: oricorio-pa'u
:pachirisu: pachirisu
:persian: persian
:quaxwell: quaxwell
:raboot: raboot
:raichu: raichu
:sawsbuck: sawsbuck
:seviper: seviper
:sneasel: sneasel
:spidops: spidops
:stantler: stantler
:stonjourner: stonjourner
:sudowoodo: sudowoodo
:sunflora: sunflora
:swalot: swalot
:tinkatuff: tinkatuff
:toedscool: toedscool
:tropius: tropius
:vespiquen: vespiquen
:wugtrio: wugtrio
 
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Basculin-Blue-Striped @ Choice Band
Ability: Rock Head
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Wave Crash
- Head Smash
- Double-Edge
- Aqua Jet / Psychic Fangs / Crunch

Honestly this guys sounds really nutty. Not only is it a STAB Rock Head abuser, its one with actually workable speed. Especially in a meta where few things can reliably outspeed it? Yeah even without Tera or Flip Turn this would get quickbanned I imagine. Bring Electrode or perish.

Adaptability Basculin can also make use of Wave Crash but you take far too much recoil for it to be worth it IMO.
 
I have so much to say about this meta and am extremely excited to see how it turns out. Early SS PU was one of the most fun times I've had since I started competitive just because of how limiting the dex shakes things up. Anyway, here are my one-liners about a most of these mons.
:banette: Now gets Swords Dance and Encore, Swords Dance is obviously a much bigger deal making it much more threatening.
:basculin: Amazing physical STAB in Wave Crash now makes this an even more insane breaker. Losing Flip Turn hurts but it'll still manage.
:beartic: In addition to Hail's rework boosting its Defense, it also gets CC, EQ, and Liquidation as coverage options.
:dedenne: Got Seed Bomb, not really a reason to use this over Raichu though.
:delibird: Ice Spinner is its best STAB now over Triple Axel, but this is really one of our only spinners so take what you can get.
:dugtrio: Access to Swords Dance but still has abysmal bulk. Good Attack and Speed should work though.
:dunsparce: Can now use Eviolite so might actually be useable.
:eiscue: Ice Spinner is much more consistent STAB now.
:flareon: Trailblaze is cool coverage, and not necessarily a buff but Tera Normal fixes a lot of problem the Guts set has had in the past.
:glalie: Gets Ice Spinner. (Can't overstate how much better this move is over Icicle Crash)
:gogoat: Bulk Up sets now have access to Play Rough if they want and special sets can use Leaf Storm as a nuke instead of Giga Drain.
:gothitelle: Now has access to Focus Blast so it can actually run coverage that hits Dark types.
:grumpig: While it got Nasty Plot in BDSP which it keeps here, it also got Body Press, Earth Power, and Stored Power.
:hypno: Gained Body Press, Stored Power, Draining Kiss, and Hex? Could be neat but I think Grumpig is better in every way.
:oricorio-pau: Quiver Dance is huge for this. If we somehow get more than just the Psychic one it will be running this meta, this one seems okay though.
:persian: Got Trailblaze and Chilling Water as Technician coverage to make it harder to revenge KO? Still just a Fake Out+U-turn machine imo.
:sawsbuck: Now has Body Slam to make it easier for your paraflinching strats.
:seviper: Has Gunk Shot and Psychic Fangs but lost Sucker Punch. Might be a fun Scarfer with Switcheroo.
:stantler: I'm pretty sure this is able to use Eviolite but correct me if I'm wrong. Intim with good enough bulk and decent coverage could be fun.
:sunflora: Got Earth Power so now it can lose a little less to Fires and Steels.
:swalot: +Swords Dance, +Toxic Spikes, +Body Press. Definitely a fun mon to try
:tropius: Has Hurricane and U-turn now. Probably still very mid but at least can use Boots in this meta.
:vespiquen: Reminiscent of early SWSH, but now this has Hurricane and Spikes too.
:floragato: Not on the list but it's an NFE with Protean and U-turn. Could be a substitute for Frogadier until it's released.
:oinkologne: Don't know what to say about this. Another run of the mill Normal with nothing spectacular to note.
:quaxwell: A spinner with reliable recovery and decent coverage, a little scared that NU actually holds onto this. Depends on the spinners that drop.
:spidops: lol this is a shitmon. Only useable for Sticky Web and even then just use Kricketune.
:tinkatuff: Fairy/Steel is such a good combo, and I wouldn't be surprised is NU kept a Mold Breaker Rocks mon with Knock and good support
:toedscool: The utility this mon has is insane. Spore, Spin, Knock, Spikes+Tspikes, Toxic, Taunt, Trick Room, Leech Seed? Good STAB moves but bad offensive stats.
:wugtrio: another shit mon lol. never use this thing ever it is so unbelievably bad. Doesn't even have 4 good moves unless you count Memento.
(Hisuian):avalugg: This mon is Avalugg but worse in typing and stat. Tera might solve one problem but if you thought Avalugg was bad at taking special hits watch out. Still gets Spin, Rocks and Recover though so who knows.
(Hisuian):qwilfish: Intimidate and Eviolite make this thing like insanely bulky. I think it will definitely be too much for the tier when it drops.
(Hisuian):sliggoo: I can't wait for this dude. The only one I've already made a set for. It's like ORAS NU Curse Sliggoo but better STAB and can't be crit with Shell Armor.
(Hisuian):sneasel: This thing is just if Toxicroak traded a little bit of power to be way faster and have CC (which Toxicroak did get this gen) Instant ban.
(White-Striped):basculin: If this form can use Eviolite it could be a decent alternative to Red/Blue but probably not better in most cases.
:articuno: Snow buff, can use Tera to help its bad typing too.
:mesprit: Gets a Torch Song clone with Mystical Power, probably won't fall here initially but a cool thing to look forward to in the future.
:quilladin: No new moves but a decent bulky Spikes setter for early meta.
:frogadier: Protean was nerfed but this thing still has U-turn making it a great pivot. Gained Spikes and Switcheroo too for more fun shenanigans.
:carbink: I've gotten this thing in random battles a couple of times and Spikes is a nice addition to it. Otherwise not much changed.
:thwackey: Lost Grassy Glide but still has a nice kit of moves at its disposal and sets terrain.
:dugtrio-alola: Gained Swords Dance and has much better dual STAB than the original.
:persian-alola: Lost Knock Off and didn't really gain anything but both pivot sets and NP sets seem promising.
 
SergioRules said:
:dunsparce: Can now use Eviolite so might actually be useable.
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honestly, i think dunsparce will probably be excellent in PU, and even be good in NU as well

i've been using it on RU and with the right EV spreads, it can tank a LOT of the meta, with it only getting 4/3 HKO'd by quite a lot of the non-SE moves in the tier.

and even when confronted with fighting moves, +0 non-STAB adamant Haxorus's close combat cannot KO it in one hit and stuff like flamigo and tauros-paldea are not able KO it in one hit unless they're using an offensive boosting item (life orb in the case of flamigo and choice band for Tauros-paldea)

due to this, i've been using it a lot to "revenge-status" dangerous pokemon (like the ones i've mentioned) in addition to just spreading paralysis in general (glare being able to hit ground types turns dunsparce into a quite sturdy wall for pretty much every single ground type in the tier since it's bulk nets it safe switch-ins into every single one of them with the sole exception of Krookodile's Close Combat)

Honestly, the biggest hurdle for Dunsparce is it's slow speed, which does not let it flinchhax more than one or two pokemon per match without fainting or needing sacrifice a turn that could've been spent using a flinching move roosting, BUT, since PU's power level is significantly lower than RU's, i expect that there it will be able to tank SE moves better and be nigh unkillable to mons who cant hit it for SE damage without significant setup beforehand.
 
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Late for me, but to all the ORAS PU people, you'll remember this beast:
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Vigoroth @ Eviolite
Ability: Vital Spirit
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 200 SpD / 56 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Taunt / Substitute
- Bulk Up
- Slack Off
- Body Slam

He's back and more annoying than ever. Vigoroth was a menace for this set alone and combined with tera, it can become darn near unbreakable. Taunt to prevent recovery or opposing setup or use Substitute to setup up on more passive builds. Recovery nerf sucks, but Vigoroth with no reliable Normal checks looks like it's gonna run wild in PU come March. The speed is just there for Banette, but could be adjusted to your liking.
 
SergioRules said:
:oinkologne: Don't know what to say about this. Another run of the mill Normal with nothing spectacular to note.
:spidops: lol this is a shitmon. Only useable for Sticky Web and even then just use Kricketune.
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Oinkologne is actually pretty good imo with Stuff Cheeks or whatever it's move is called. +2 Def immediately with Body Press + whatever berry boost you use (Salac or Liechi are probably the most viable) makes it not bad tbh. Spidops is interesting yeah its pretty shit but on HO its super valuable, it has Tspikes, Memento, Spikes, and other util that makes it a tier above Kricketune to me. Excited for this meta and hope we somehow get Grafaiai and Dudunsparce after Home/DLCs drop. Otherwise glad to see the eeveelutions getting CM and some other love this gen
 
Dragonair @ Eviolite
Ability: Shed Skin
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Extreme Speed
- Waterfall
- Rest

This idea just popped into my head, but thanks partially to the NFE sample set for bringing it up. As long as Tera is in play, I think this perhaps could do something. STAB E-Speed is always a nice treat, and Rest combos well with Shed Skin. Waterfall is coverage to hit Normal resists. (Mainly Tinkatuff, Carkol, and Stonjourner in one slot) Outrage can be used instead of Waterfall to hit 2 of those three I mentioned and for a STAB option without having to eat up Tera.
 
Gabite @ Eviolite
Ability: Rough Skin
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake


I honestly think Gabite might be a pretty decent offense lead this gen. It's bulky enough with eviolite, and tera steel makes it quite easy to flip its weaknesses and go ham with +2 edgequake
 
I have some idea for interesting sets:

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Ampharos @ Life Orb
Ability: Static
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- Tera Blast
- Agility

I can see it as a potentially dangerous lategamesweeper. My idea is just bolt beam but scary. I wanted to go modest but I feel like being outsped by decently fast scarfers seems stupid when youre an agility abuser. Thats why I think lo is a good fit so it doesnt have to give up that much on power. Focus Blast just gives it more opportunities to hit super effectivly.

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Krokorok @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Moxie
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Fire Fang

Thats one of the potential scarfers I thought of above. I think the power level is enough for it to use its scarf moxie strategy. Im pretty sure a evio support set with rocks and taunt might be good too but I dont want to list everything i think of. I just want to provide some Ideas to some sets.

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Wugtrio @ Choice Band
Ability: Gooey
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Triple Dive
- Throat Chop
- Sucker Punch
- Stomping Tantrum

I feel like that this thing could be a premier choise bander. Its already decent in nu but I dont see much usage for it to stay in that tier. Gogoat might be a problem but maybe we could see some tera blast sets with ice or fire. I know 2 darktype attacks look stupid but its not my fault. Look at its movepool :totodiLUL:

Those are just some ideas. I might bring up more someday. Thank you for reading ;
 
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Oinkologne is actually pretty good imo with Stuff Cheeks or whatever it's move is called. +2 Def immediately with Body Press + whatever berry boost you use (Salac or Liechi are probably the most viable) makes it not bad tbh. Spidops is interesting yeah its pretty shit but on HO its super valuable, it has Tspikes, Memento, Spikes, and other util that makes it a tier above Kricketune to me. Excited for this meta and hope we somehow get Grafaiai and Dudunsparce after Home/DLCs drop. Otherwise glad to see the eeveelutions getting CM and some other love this gen
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Ganlon Berry does the defense boost tho

also there's more than just spidops for webs, there's like, masquerain if it drops

dudunsparce could drop, but for now its defo staying NU
 
:sv/falinks:
Falinks @ Shed Shell
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- No Retreat
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Iron Head

a mon i always try to make work bc its a lot of fun. tera steel turns the table on fairy stuff (not that there'll be much) and makes it easier to use no retreat and sd, as well as boosting iron head.


:sv/stonjourner:
Stonjourner @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Power Spot
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Heavy Slam
- Low Kick

losing heat crash and superpower sucks but this could still work with scarf. it is strong and its movepool is good enough. tera steel boosts heavy slam and also works well with its good physical bulk.


:sv/wugtrio:
this is just 3 hot dogs smh.
 
Haunter get both Nasty Plot and Focus Miss this gen so is true Mini-Gengar this gen. If he drops from NU i don't think we gonna get the tools to combat him
 
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Haunter get both Nasty Plot and Focus Miss this gen so is true Mini-Gengar this gen. If he drops from NU i don't think we gonna get the tools to combat him
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Ive seen quite a lot of haunters in Nu so I dont think itll drop. So i think if we want to use an NP ghost type I think we gotta go with Missy. its 85 base speed should still be terrefying cz a lot of faster mons will stay in NU for sure. We could use the np set that got it banned in LC.

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Misdreavus @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tera Blast
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Dazzling Gleam

Alternativly I think if we want to use it we should go more towards a defensive utility build:

Misdreavus @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Pain Split
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hex
- Taunt

I cant tell it for sure if Haunter is going to stay up there but Im really certain it will. If not than ya that thing will be terrifying. out of the remaining np users I think Raichu can be a rly fun mon as well with something like this:

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Raichu @ Life Orb
Ability: Lightning Rod
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Focus Blast

might be a good idea to do the same Bolt/beam combo as I requested for Ampharos to not get fully walled by appletun but who knows.
 
So um fighters and darks seems pretty stupid in nu. and Pu doesnt seem to have answers to them either. Thankfully the only ones that might drop are falinks and maybe crabo/toxicroak.
However darks are pretty stupid. theres no reliable fairies bar Wigglytuff and dedenne lol. NU most prob takes hatterem and tinkatuff so yeah.
mons like cacturn skuntank spiritomb zoroark and even nfe mons like murkrow and sneasel can be problamatic.
Screens we have morgrem too.
oh yeah dragons woulda been problamatic too but we r gonna get only flapple and appletun they might be problamatic though. however on nfe list they are quite decent ones. fraxure arctibax gabite and sliggoo.

ps no steels bar maybe mag and tink so cufant bronzor and pawniard .

Steels and darks are less and we have a lot of psychics rabsca even gothitele oricorio indeedee oranguru heck girafarig and grumpig too

the one i am concerned the most has to be indeedee. there are no real great switch ins to specs psychics. tera fire tera blast destroys bronzor presumed best steel. while lo cm might be problamatic aswell.

however the biggest concern should be mons like vivillon and lilligant. without good steels they are absolute beasts to wall.
 
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So I'm going to talk about PU Sun. I'm speculating drops from the usage stats from the NU Kickoff tour, so I doubt all of these will fall to PU.

---Setters---

:sv/murkrow:
Murkrow @ Eviolite / Heat Rock
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Sunny Day
- Haze
- Taunt

Standard Murkrow stuff, it can reliably set up Sun while still being able to provide some utility throughout a game with its assortment of other useful status moves. There are other Prankster/Sunny Day options in Riolu and Shroodle with Shroodle being the more interesting one as it can provide Knock Off and Toxic in a tier where those will be quite rare.

---Chlorophyll Abusers---

:sv/scovillain:
Scovillain @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Solar Beam
- Giga Drain
- Growth

Scovillain is a very interesting pokemon as it can viably act as a special wallbreaker/sweeper and as a mixed attacker due to its 108/108 offenses and Growth boosting both in the Sun by two stages. Unfortunately it can be held back by its lack of special coverage moves and lack of good physical STAB moves. Despite this, Scovillain in the sun can be become an absolute monster with its mix of incredible speed and power that gives it a niche in UU, but now down in PU.

:sv/lilligant:
Lilligant @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid / Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Giga Drain / Solar Beam
- Tera Blast
- Synthesis / Sleep Powder
- Quiver Dance

Oh boy Quiver Dance + Chlorophyll! Lilligant is able to boost its already good 110 Special Attack and 90 Speed to an unnecessary degree if given the opportunity and is able to stay healthy with Sun-boosted Synthesis or can shut down an opponent with Sleep Powder. Lilligant literally just has Grass moves and Pollen Puff so Tera is necessary if you want the semblance of coverage. Leaf Guard is also a good option to become a status-immune setup sweeper.

:sv/leafeon:
Leafeon @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Bullet Seed
- Double-Edge / X-Scissor
- Tera Blast
- Swords Dance

Leafeon is the fastest Chlorophyll user with a functional attacking stat in the game. In the transition to SV, Leafeon lost some important tools in Knock Off and Solar Blade, but it does benefit from Tera allowing it to gain some form of the physical coverage it has always lacked. Loaded Dice gives Leafeon a base 100/125 power STAB move that breaks Subs and Sashs and combined with Swords Dance allow for this cat to become quite the wallbreaker.

:sv/sawsbuck summer:
Sawsbuck-Summer @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Grass / Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Bullet Seed
- Double-Edge
- Stomping Tantrum / Tera Blast
- Swords Dance

Yes, this is the same set as above, but Sawsbuck does have some advantages if you choose to run Chlorophyll on it. Firstly, it gets STAB Double-Edge and actual physical coverage moves like Stomping Tantrum, Megahorn, and Play Rough allowing it to not depend on Tera for coverage despite having 10 less Attack. Also it does have better special bulk as well as a Ghost immunity in exchange for worse physical bulk and an extra weakness to Fighting.

---Solar Power Abusers---

:sv/sunflora:
Sunflora @ Choice Specs
Ability: Solar Power
Tera Type: Fairy / Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Solar Beam
- Giga Drain
- Earth Power
- Dazzling Gleam / Tera Blast

Sunflora's 105 base Special Attack combined with Specs and Solar Power makes it a powerful hitter, but its 30 base Speed holds it back from coming close to becoming a green Charizard. Since its absence in SS, Sunflora has gained coverage in Dazzling Gleam and of course the ability to take further advantage of the Sun with Fire Tera.

:sv/charmeleon:
Charmeleon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Solar Power
Tera Type: Fire / Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Overheat
- Focus Blast
- Dragon Pulse / Tera Blast

With Charizard likely a couple months away from PU, Charmeleon has the opportunity to step in as a Great Value version of its big brother. Charmeleon differentiates itself from Sunflora by its 80 base speed and access to natural Fire STAB to make up for its 80 base Special Attack. Charmeleon seriously lacks coverage however with Focus Blast, Ancient Power, and Dragon Pulse being the only non-Fire special moves it has without Tera.

---Other---

:sv/numel:
Numel @ Eviolite
Ability: Simple
Tera Type: Water / Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
- Flamethrower
- Flame Charge
- Earth Power
- Growth

As the only Simple user in the game, Numel is able to use Growth in the Sun for a +4 boost to its attacking stats and Flame Charge to double its speed. Unfortunately, Numel still suffers from all those pesky problems that come from having a 305 BST. Numel is very slow and very frail without Eviolite, but it can set up quicker than anyone else if you want to use something a bit different.

Okay, now just some quick stuff:

:tropius: While Tropius does have access to three different Sun-related abilities, its poor Speed and Special Attack leave it relegated to mostly just being a Harvest staller.

:jumpluff: Jumpluff can run Chlorophyll to become an obscenely fast and annoying pivot with Strength Sap and Sleep Powder, but is likely best used with Infiltrator instead.

:lurantis: You could run Leaf Guard/Growth Lurantis if you want a mixed setup Pokemon that also has Defog.

And a Bonus!

:sv/banette:
Banette @ Life Orb
Ability: Cursed Body
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Shadow Claw
- Sucker Punch / Shadow Sneak
- Swords Dance

Nothing to do with Sun, but Banette might be like the only viable Knock Off user in a tier where Eviolite could be common. Pretty cool.
 
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Vivillon and Lilligant will probably end up being hilariously broken, wanted to drop this new copium tech for everyone to use

Swalot @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Liquid Ooze
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Clear Smog
- Poison Jab
- Fire Punch / Earthquake / Ice Punch
- Toxic / Toxic Spikes

ppjab over sludge bomb to bypass the qd spdef boost
 
Hello, PU community! We’ve had a lot of great posts this past week, and it’s awesome to see how invested and excited everyone is for a new generation of our beloved tier. I’m also just as excited as you all are, specially since we seem to be off to a great start activity wise! With that said, let’s move on to our main event: the SV PU Crystal Ball!

The way it works is really simple: based on the February usage stats, anyone who wishes to participate just needs to make a list of what Pokémon you believe will drop to PU on March 1st, and whoever scores the most points will win a custom role on our official Discord server! 2 points are awarded for a correct guess and 1 point is deducted for an incorrect one. Simple enough, isn’t it? To keep things easier and cleaner on this thread, we’re gonna have a couple rules set in place:
  • All Pokémon names must be written correctly (votes aren’t case sensitive, though). I suggest just copy-pasting the list available at the end of this post and removing the Pokémon you think won't stay;
  • You must use the Hide command and add your list there, i.e. [.hide]Your list[/hide] (without the initial . on the first one), to avoid polluting the thread since discussion will still be encouraged here. Make sure your list contains ONLY the names of the pokemon you think will drop.
  • For Pokémon with multiple forms with purely cosmetic changes, only add the base form (like Vivillon instead of Vivillon-Fancy for example, even if it’s Unreleased). However, in case of multiple forms that incur in gameplay changes, such as Oinkologne and Oinkologne-F, each form will count as a separate entry;
  • To prevent needing to add all the NFEs, of which many will drop without a shadow of doubt, the list will only include those that have at least a minimal shot at staying in NU. Anything outside the list will not count;
  • In case of a tie, the following totally non-arbitrary criteria will be used to determine the winner: Number of correct NFE guesses > Number of correct Oricorio forms guesses > Number of correct Rotom forms guesses > Number of correct Lycanroc forms guesses > A Bo5 Rock-Paper-Scissors on PS!;
  • You CAN edit your posts, as long as it's done before the deadline. Any list edited after that will be disqualified;
  • The deadline of this event will be on February 28th, 10pm GMT -5.
That’s all for now! However, don’t let this event discourage anyone from still posting their thoughts about SV PU alpha! You can go in details about your list, talk about your potentially controversial picks, or comment about another user’s list too! Let’s keep up the good work here, and good luck everyone!

Ampharos
Appletun
Banette
Basculin
Beartic
Braviary
Bruxish
Cacturne
Camerupt
Clawitzer
Copperajah
Crabominable
Dedenne
Delibird
Drifblim
Dudunsparce
Dugtrio
Eelektross
Eiscue
Electrode
Falinks
Farigiraf
Flapple
Flareon
Frosmoth
Glaceon
Glalie
Gogoat
Golduck
Goodra
Gothitelle
Greedent
Grumpig
Gumshoos
Honchkrow
Houndoom
Hypno
Indeedee-F
Jolteon
Jumpluff
Klawf
Kricketune
Leafeon
Lilligant
Lumineon
Lurantis
Luvdisc
Luxray
Lycanroc
Lycanroc-Midnight
Mabosstiff
Masquerain
Medicham
Muk
Oinkologne
Oinkologne-F
Oranguru
Oricorio
Oricorio-Pa’u
Oricorio-Pom-Pom
Oricorio-Sensu
Pachirisu
Passimian
Perrserker
Persian
Pincurchin
Pyroar
Qwilfish
Rabsca
Raichu
Rotom
Rotom-Fan
Rotom-Frost
Sandaconda
Sawsbuck
Scovillain
Seviper
Skuntank
Slaking
Spidops
Spiritomb
Squawkabilly
Stantler
Stonjourner
Sudowoodoo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tauros-Paldea
Toxicroak
Tropius
Umbreon
Ursaring
Vaporeon
Veluza
Venomoth
Vespiquen
Vivillon
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Wugtrio
Zangoose
Zoroark

NFEs:
Carkol
Chansey
Crocalor
Glimmet
Hattrem
Haunter
Magneton
Morgrem
Quaxwell
Scyther
Tinkatuff
Post and idea stolen from the wonderful Ren-chon. Ty for the help friend :)
 
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My list:
Ampharos
Appletun
Banette
Basculin
Beartic
Camerupt
Dedenne
Delibird
Dugtrio
Eiscue
Electrode
Falinks
Flapple
Flareon
Glaceon
Glalie
Gogoat
Golduck
Gothitelle
Greedent
Grumpig
Gumshoos
Hypno
Kricketune
Leafeon
Lilligant
Lumineon
Luvdisc
Luxray
Lycanroc-Midnight
Oinkologne
Oinkologne-F
Oranguru
Oricorio
Oricorio-Pa’u
Pachirisu
Perrserker
Persian
Pincurchin
Qwilfish
Raichu
Rotom-Fan
Rotom-Frost
Sawsbuck
Seviper
Slaking
Spidops
Stantler
Stonjourner
Sudowoodoo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tropius
Vivillon
Wigglytuff
Wugtrio

NFEs:
Carkol
Glimmet
Hattrem
Magneton
Morgrem
Quaxwell
Scyther
Tinkatuff
GL to everyone
 
I'll join in and do one too:
Ampharos
Appletun
Banette
Beartic
Camerupt
Dedenne
Delibird
Dugtrio
Eiscue
Electrode
Falinks
Farigiraf
Flapple
Flareon
Glaceon
Glalie
Gogoat
Golduck
Gothitelle
Greedent
Grumpig
Gumshoos
Hypno
Indeedee-F
Jumpluff
Kricketune
Leafeon
Lilligant
Lumineon
Lurantis
Luvdisc
Luxray
Lycanroc
Lycanroc-Midnight
Masquerain
Oinkologne
Oinkologne-F
Oranguru
Oricorio
Oricorio-Pa’u
Pachirisu
Persian
Pincurchin
Qwilfish
Rabsca
Raichu
Rotom-Fan
Rotom-Frost
Sawsbuck
Scovillain
Seviper
Skuntank
Slaking
Spidops
Spiritomb
Squawkabilly
Stantler
Stonjourner
Sudowoodoo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tropius
Vivillon
Wigglytuff
Wugtrio
Zangoose

NFEs:
Carkol
Glimmet
Hattrem
Magneton
Morgrem
Tinkatuff
 
Ampharos
Appletun
Banette
Basculin
Beartic
Camerupt
Dedenne
Delibird
Dugtrio
Eiscue
Electrode
Falinks
Farigiraf
Flapple
Flareon
Glaceon
Glalie
Gogoat
Golduck
Gothitelle
Greedent
Grumpig
Gumshoos
Houndoom
Hypno
Indeedee-F
Jumpluff
Kricketune
Leafeon
Lilligant
Lumineon
Luvdisc
Luxray
Lycanroc
Lycanroc-Midnight
Masquerain
Oinkologne
Oinkologne-F
Oranguru
Oricorio
Oricorio-Pa’u
Pachirisu
Perrserker
Persian
Pincurchin
Pyroar
Qwilfish
Raichu
Rotom-Fan
Rotom-Frost
Sawsbuck
Scovillain
Seviper
Slaking
Spiritomb
Squawkabilly
Stantler
Stonjourner
Sudowoodoo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tropius
Vivillon
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Wugtrio

NFEs:
Carkol
Glimmet
Hattrem
Magneton
Morgrem
Quaxwell
Scyther
Tinkatuff
if i'm not 100% right, smogon acct is getting deleted
 
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Ampharos
Appletun
Banette
Basculin
Beartic
Cacturne
Camerupt
Crabominable
Delibird
Drifblim
Dugtrio
Eelektross
Eiscue
Electrode
Falinks
Flapple
Flareon
Frosmoth
Glaceon
Glalie
Gogoat
Golduck
Gothitelle
Greedent
Grumpig
Gumshoos
Hypno
Indeedee-F
Jolteon
Jumpluff
Kricketune
Leafeon
Lumineon
Lurantis
Luvdisc
Luxray
Lycanroc-Midnight
Masquerain
Muk
Oinkologne
Oinkologne-F
Oranguru
Oricorio
Oricorio-Pa’u
Pachirisu
Persian
Pincurchin
Pyroar
Raichu
Rotom-Fan
Sandaconda
Sawsbuck
Seviper
Skuntank
Slaking
Spidops
Squawkabilly
Stantler
Stonjourner
Sudowoodoo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tauros-Paldea
Tropius
Umbreon
Ursaring
Vespiquen
Vivillon
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Wugtrio
Zangoose

NFEs:
Carkol
Crocolar
Hattrem
Haunter
Morgrem
Quaxwell
Tinkatuff
i have not played a single game of nu
 
Ampharos
Appletun
Banette
Beartic
Camerupt
Dedenne
Delibird
Drifblim
Dugtrio
Eiscue
Electrode
Falinks
Flapple
Flareon
Glaceon
Glalie
Gogoat
Golduck
Gothitelle
Greedent
Grumpig
Gumshoos
Hypno
Jumpluff
Kricketune
Leafeon
Lilligant
Lumineon
Lurantis
Luvdisc
Luxray
Lycanroc-Midnight
Masquerain
Oinkologne
Oinkologne-F
Oranguru
Oricorio
Oricorio-Pa’u
Pachirisu
Persian
Pincurchin
Pyroar
Raichu
Rotom
Rotom-Fan
Rotom-Frost
Sawsbuck
Scovillain
Seviper
Skuntank
Slaking
Spidops
Spiritomb
Squawkabilly
Stantler
Stonjourner
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tropius
Vespiquen
Wigglytuff
Wugtrio

NFEs:
Carkol
Glimmet
Magneton
Morgrem
Scyther
Tinkatuff
 
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Ampharos
Appletun
Banette
Beartic
Camerupt
Clawitzer
Dedenne
Delibird
Dugtrio
Eiscue
Electrode
Falinks
Flapple
Flareon
Glaceon
Glalie
Gogoat
Golduck
Gothitelle
Greedent
Grumpig
Gumshoos
Hypno
Jumpluff
Kricketune
Leafeon
Lilligant
Lumineon
Luvdisc
Luxray
Lycanroc-Midnight
Masquerain
Oinkologne
Oinkologne-F
Oranguru
Oricorio
Oricorio-Pa’u
Pachirisu
Perrserker
Persian
Pincurchin
Raichu
Rotom-Fan
Rotom-Frost
Sawsbuck
Scovillain
Seviper
Skuntank
Slaking
Spidops
Squawkabilly
Stantler
Stonjourner
Sudowoodoo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tropius
Vespiquen
Vivillon
Wigglytuff
Wugtrio

NFEs:
Carkol
Glimmet
Quaxwell
Tinkatuff
 
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