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[Theycallmephil]

Probably my final post before updates!!

Okay I wanna start with some drops because I've been severely neglecting them up to this point then I'll get to the rises.

S -> A+
Regardless of whether this pokemon stays in the tier(which I rlly hope it doesn't. ) I feel it's important to acknowledge that it just..doesn't rlly feel like an S tier in my opinion. Outside of its ground immunity which is risky at best with most grounds having rock moves, it's 4x fighting resistance which is admittedly rlly good. It just doesn't have much defensive use. Beyond that it often requires tera to not get run over by a multitude of threats, such tornadus and salazzle. Being a massive and extremely obvious at times tera hog is a big detriment. It's also just much more limited in what roles it provides and what teams it's seen on than my other S tier picks.

S -> A+
Look it's philip hating on meloetta again, point and laugh :haha:, but seriously ranking her in S was very hasty.
I talked about it a fair bit in my VR post(shameless plug) but it's speed tier is incredibly exploitable and it's stabs and even main coverage moves have types that are immune to them so it's fairly easy to dodge around.

B -> B-
First off annoying to spell apparently/lh
But in all seriousness I feel like we all took a look at our water resists, panicked, and ranked this a bit too high. I'm yet to see it really perform very well at its one trick and it's speed tier while nice doesn't save it imo.

B -> B-
Honestly just a case of what have you done for me lately. much like frosmoth it's required to wear boots however unlike frosmoth who has tools like incredibly strong unboosted stab, stun Spore, and most importantly defog. Cuno just kinda sits there and roosts. The tier is pretty unfriendly to it and it just doesn't see use.
Drop the poor bird I fear..

C -> UR
People don't use this, they have no real reason to. It's bad and outclassed at every niche it could possibly have.

Honestly thought I'd have more drops ngl
I'll get to rises now.

UR -> C-
(If and only if C- is created, don't rank this otherwise.)
Chan has a few tools and it's accepted as pretty much a side grade to hitmontop so this is fine.

B -> B+
This pokemon is actually a very solid threat right now. Eviolite, solid typing, intimidate set it apart from similar mons. I think it's especially better than qwilfish-johto because despite missing out on flip turn and water resistance it is SO much bulkier and checks a wider amount of things while still being a soft answer to alot of the stuff you'd use qwilfish-johto for.

B- -> B
I understand this pokemon has it's fair share of struggles. It's defensive typing Is pretty atrocious, it's rather slow, oftentimes can't fit boots as it's item. But the threat this thing can pose to an unprepared team after just 1 Esper wing is nearly unrivaled imo, drawing from articuno-galars playbook just about nothing wants to switch in on psychic stab+hurricane. I think it's earned a sllight move up.

Lol forgot my agree with noms
C+ -> UR
Mon is awful, doesn't do anything not done better by smth else
UR -> C/C+
I rlly do see the potential in this mon, it's certainly alot better than alola-eggs
B -> B+
Fine bulky mon, I kinda like it on some stalls and balances, also a must have on fat.
B+ -> A-
Just keeps gettin better.
B+ -> A-
Nightmare pokemon.

I think that's genuinely all I've got
Love you PU
Looking forward to the update.

 

[Rabia]

I might just be shit (real), but this Pokemon is underranked in B+ and should be higher, I'd probably throw it in A- (maybe A) because the checks to Fighting-types in the format aren't really happy trying to deal with this goblin. There are a few things that it doesn't love, i.e. Scyther prevalence, Florges remaining great, and Tera Poison being pretty common on physical walls. Otherwise, I really value its Choice Scarf set as an anti-offense tool, and Swords Dance sets scare me too.

fuck triple arrows this move is ANNOYING STOP FLINCHING ME

 

[Oofhixd]

Alr, actual posts that arent hypothetical tier based

A+ -> S
Ok, ive been battling over whether florges in A+ or S in my head, and ive settled on S. this mon is an insane check to so much in the tier and can wall so many mons. Yes its bad that it doesnt have an ability, but a 552 BST is insane on a pure fairy type, having so much versatility with sets, items and tera types. Overall, i believe this mon is just as good as the other mons in S, if not better than some of them.

S -> A+
These two mons are great, but they arent amazing. Scyther is broken as fuck, but it doesnt mean its without counterplay, and broken-ness doesnt directly correlate to how good it is. They are currently underperforming for their S Rank status, and they just dont feel worthy of the S rank theyve been given. Nothing else much to say abt these two mons, theyve alr been covered numerous times.

A -> A+
Was also on the fence with this mon, but she’s actually an insane breaker who can shred through most unprepared teams, with a great ability being able to poison common mons like venu, skunk and bird. Its speed tier is absolutely fucking insane, even outspeeding some scarfers, and its specs set being deadly. The only drawbacks are the quad weakness to ground (which there arent many of in the tier anyways), its movepool, and its frailty (which is negligible bc it wants to OHKO and one-shot everything anyways).

A/A+ -> A+/A
Im gonna keep this short, these two mons should be in the same tier. Last shift, bird was better than skunk due to multiple reasons. This shift, i believe that poison/dark is a great typing, and the poison type helps with florges on the rise, whilst the flying type doesnt. I personally believe that bombirdier should drop, and skunk should stay, but you could justify it the other way around easily.

A -> A-
Just grouping these mons together because theyre in the same tier and i want to rank them down to the same tier. Ive spoken before about ranking up to A and how ive thought thays its better than regular decidueye, but now it is time to talk about why i believe that regular decidueye should rank down to A-. The simple answer is, we’ve adapted and learned ways to counter it, the reason why it was it was S at first then A, is because we adapted to it, and i think we’ve done that even more now, with many mons being able to OHKO it before it gets a hit off. The reason why i believe golurk should rank down is because of its lack of versatility and options. The adaptation to decidueye has also adapted around golurk aswell, and its just easier to counter than ever.

A- -> B+
I probably shouldnt do this but im mainly basing this off of usage. How many time in the last 100 games have you seen a scrafty? 5 times? Maybe 6? If you’ve seen it more than that i’d be shocked. When you have seen a scrafty, how much has it done? Probably not much usually, and there are many darks and fightings better than this, and the quad weakness to florges is painful, so is the weakness to DWB, and just scyther in general. I honestly think im being a little conservative with B+, i could definitely see it in B.

B+ -> A/A-/A/A-
Ok, these mons are all on the rise, especially frosmoth. Guno is versatile with 2 sets. The common set being sub cm, which can shred through most bulky mons, except for steels which we dont have many of anyways. Furthermore, it can tank even some supereffective hits without boots, and fire back with a strong +1 or +2 psychic likely killing the opponent. The more uncommon set is an agility, weakness policy, recover set with stored power, being able to wipe the opposing team, using the fact that it can live one supereffective hits, and could switch on into a gastro ice beam then kill their entire team. If youre worried about lazzle/skunk/bird using toxic, you can tera steel. This set also has surprise factor of not running the standard set. Delphox is an insane breaker with a great typing, and being a mon that can live a DWB and revenge kill scyther, nothing much to stay otherwise than that its not worth B+ and definitely worthy of A-. Frosmoth is currently an absolutely insane special wall, in a very special meta, also getting defog and uturn to pivot and clear hazards. If you want a defogger and are not sure what to choose, use this mon, it wont disappoint. Uxie has great versatility and can run multiple sets, like sub CM, Nasty plot and plentiful coverage moves and can dish out so much damage.

B+ -> B-
Usage usage usage usage usage. This mon gets essentially zero usage yet is still B+. This mon is 4x weak to scyther and weak to the many fires and psychic mons that just kill it and its just so so so so hard to get good usage and value out of.

B -> B+/B+/B-/B-
These 4 mons arent shown to have a big gap in the VR and i disagree with that. The two hisui mons have many advantages over the regular mons. The typings feel better, as poison/fighting isnt weak to fires, and dark/poison is an overall insane typing, only being weak to ground. The other two dont feel as strong and arent getting as much value.

B -> B+
These mons feel greater than the other mons in B rn, being super good at their jobs, and mowtom can dish out insane damage whilst not needing boots. Overall, i think these mons are great and are just as good as the mons in B+.

B/B- -> C+
These mons are so hard to get value from, with their only advantage being that they arent too weak to the top tier mons, and can realy get going and sweep, even thought they arent as good as other sweepers.


B-/C+ -> B/B-
Hattrem is just a great way of negating hazards, and can hwish into a teammate on low hp, and can basically give you a second copy of one mon and can be super annoying with parahax, and can heal with draining kiss. Overall just a mon with a high skill level, and until espeon drops (an if not a when) this mon is a prominent threat. Brutus is fine. Just weak to u turn but can kill things super easily with sucker especially with band.

C -> UR
Both mons arent very useful and dont have much usecase.

C -> B
Actually insanely fat mon with a prominent use on spikestack:

Not gonna do noms bc this post is long enough as it is and ive alr done them previously

And finally,
PUBL -> PU, if scyther stays
I feel like this qb may have been unnecessary and excessive, and i feel like it deserves another shot in the tier. That being said, I still think it could be OP, and ban worthy, and im just suggesting a retest. If scyther rises and/or espeon falls, it makes sense it staying in PUBL

Thats all for today, sorry for such a long rant and as always stay safe and byeeeeeeee guysssssss! <3

 

[Aurist]

Just a brief post to let you know that deadline for this round of nominations is the end of Sunday 24th, after which the VR council will vote on nominations. If you think something is missing speak now or forever* hold your peace!

*forever means "until the next round of nominations after this one"

Thanks for the noms so far everybody, nomination time has been extended to end of Sunday 1st December, with VR council votes starting then. This is partly to account for the Scyther suspect ending soon. Thanks

 

[Theycallmephil]

Probably my final post before updates!!

Looks like that was a lie huh.
I seriously need to talk about a few things tho!!

A- -> A
I've talked about this a little but omfg this mon is absurd. The only thing holding it back is low base speed. And I mean that's literally it. And normally this would be a case of me talking about how this flaw keeps this mon heavily in-line and such, BUTTTTT what is this mons main role. Thats right it's a rapid spinner, so it can provide the ultimate form of utility(removing hazards) AND patch it's biggest flaw at the same time. As well as in the modern meta this pokemon is damn near un-blockable with rapid spin and it can easily punish attempts to do so with a nasty plot or massive Draco meteors. It is the very pinnacle of removal in SV PU and one of its scariest threats.
All that sounds great but wait I'm not done, another Tatsugiri set has recently gained popularity, a strange and unexpected scarf set uses its great cleaning power, useful enough speed, and emergency fast rapid spins to cement itself as a new meta threat.

B+ -> B
A completely original thought I came up with on my own.
Virizions typing does it absolutely no favors right now and it's just way too weak and slow to start to ever be particularly threatening in this meta imo, it's lucky I'm not requesting it fall further tbh.

UR -> C
"Is this dork rlly nomming their favorite pokemon to fill the void" YES!
But hear me out okay, braviary has pretty solid stats all things considered and a physical movepool to make most birds jealous (except ) boasting moves like close combat, defog, etc. This fella has tools. And defog is exactly what I wanted to talk about actually, I believe Unovan braviarys main niche lies in its defog set, utilizing a decent typing strangely, strong moves and fair stats it performs the job just fine, while of course bluffing some scarier stuff like bulk up and power herb sky attack.

Bye lol, broke my silence.

 

[lettuce]

B+ -> B
I 'recently' tried to use Virizion, and while I love it as a breaker, it definitely isn't B+, especially with another grass-fighting named Decidueye-H on the rise. The STAB combo of grass + fighting is good, as it eats any gastrodon trying to take a cc. However, Virizion has to choose whether it loses to poison types or flying types, as it cannot run both Zen Headbutt and Stone edge to hit tera poison/venu and scyther. It needs one of Synthesis or Swords Dance since it either struggles with longevity w/ lorb or damage with another item, which is why it has this problem.

On the other hand, what is switching into its STAB combo that isn't weak to its coverage? Stone Edge hits stuff like Scyther and Arcanine, while Zen Headbutt hits Venusaur. On top of that, Virizion is not slow. It reaches 342, which outspeeds every relevant non-scarf mon besides Salazzle and Ambipom.

I do agree that Virizion is not a B+ mon, but it has too many upsides to be ranked any lower. (Also, I feel like I have a habit of arguing against drops just to agree with a mon dropping...)

 

[Oofhixd]

Ok, i just posted recently but i want to do some noms.

UR -> C
If these are getting ranked, only rank one. Shieldon is slightly bulkier than bastiodon but has slightly less hp, and they wont be killing anything anyways (unless its a salazzle), and the attack difference is so minimal. They both do basically the same thing, a really really bulky rocks setter which can taunt and roar opposing mons out. Here is a sample set

Shieldon @ Eviolite
Ability: Sturdy
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 52 Atk / 168 Def / 40 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Roar
- Taunt
- Stealth Rock
(If Bastiodon run leftovers)

UR -> C+
Just as good as a terrain setter as thwackey, if not better. Can be really annoying with sub giga drain and just generally has a strong niche in its role, and can actually dish out some ok damage. Nothing else more to say about it due to so much already being said by multiple people.

UR/UR/B-/C -> B-/B-/B+/B-
I thought i talked about stall previously, but i guess i havent. Stall is really good right now, and has an absolutely insanely high skill ceiling, and ill talk about 3 of the 4 common stall core (gastro is the other which is already A+) and also primeape. Lets start with the ape in the room, primeape. Primeape fits super well onto a stall team, and can also be a rocks setter on a stall team aswell, and you can replace naclstack with another mon. Now for the other stall mons. Out of the three, sableye is the best in my opinion, being able to completely punish set up sweepers if you play well enough. Also it can ruin entire team archetypes with megating some moves, and can just in general be a complete pain in the ass. Naclstack is just a great rocks setter, also being a nuisance with salt cure protect shenanigans. Cryogonal is a good spinner and a good special wall, whilst also being fast. Overall, these mons work really well together.

UR -> C
This mon is actualy fine? Im not sure why we UR’d it in the first place. Anyways we needed more waters and this mon is fine into some of the top tier threats. All in all, this mon should’ve absolitely stayed C as it is a fine breaker.

C+ -> UR
Doesnt have a niche, and it doesnt fit onto any team, why do we keep this ranked?

UR -> B
Actually insanely fat and can tank anything, also quite a splashable mon, which can fill alot of roles

UR -> C
Weird take, but this mon is ok ig? Kinda bulky and is an unaware mon to counter setup sweepers. Kinda overlooked by sableye but other than that its fine with a great typing. This mon i dont think is super rankable, but i definitely think its on the fence between UR and C, and since we arent having C-, then it could fit into either tier.

Croc game!
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9pu-803933

Alr, these are my noms (for now), lmk know if you disagree with anything, as always stay safe and bye guysssssss <3

 

[Aurist]

We have the latest VR update! Voting can be found here.

The changes are as follows:


Rises
Florges A+ -> S

Bellibolt A -> A+
Rhydon A -> A+
Salazzle A-> A+

Decidueye-H B+ -> A

Articuno-G B+ -> A-
Frosmoth B+ -> A-

Altaria B -> B+
Sneasel-H B -> B+
Naclstack B- -> B+

Braviary-Hisui B- -> B
Ditto C -> B

Brute Bonnet C+ -> B-
Porygon2 UR -> B-

Dipplin C -> C+
Regirock C -> C+
Sableye UR -> C+

Arboliva UR -> C
Cryogonal UR -> C
Drifblim UR -> C
Kingdra UR -> C
Persian-A UR -> C

Drops
Bombirdier A+ -> A

Tauros-P-F A+ -> A-
Golurk A -> A-

Virizion B+ -> B

Articuno B -> B-
Floatzel B -> B-

Alcremie C+ -> C
Emboar C+ -> C
Jolteon C+ -> C

Exeggutor-A C -> UR
Primeape C -> UR
Veluza C -> UR

 

[PorygonBG]

Ditto C -> B

What?

 

[IlluminateRanch]

Arboliva UR -> C

THAT'S MY TREE! I'm so glad to see people finally paying attention to Arboliva, and that even more people will (hopefully) start using them now that they're on the VR!

 

[Oofhixd]

Ok, i know ive done so many noms recently but uhhhhhhh- ill keep this one short i promise, and no one’s posted here in quite a while.

B+ -> A-/A

ZU banned this mon for a reason; its so fucking annoying. Its so versatile when it comes to sets with a coil, roost and bslam, whilst also being able to use rocks, and attack on the special side. This mons stats are also great in most areas, being able to tank some supereffective hits, and sometimes even being able to roost them away. The ban of scyther has helped this mon a good deal aswell. One less cc user in the meta, and one less boots user for the rocks set. In my eyes, this mon is currently only gonna go up so we might aswell start now.

C -> C+
Alright, fine ill admit this mon is better than C, but not by much. You can use this over redbird the same way you would sometimes use mowtom over heatom: less weak to spikes, and the fire mon is already taken up on your team, other than that, use firebird because its just better overall. (Also its nice to switch into a choice locked melo or toxt using hvoice +bburst respectively)

C -> B-/C+
Ok with scyther gone, its this mons time to shine. With 100 across the board, its nice in every aspect (except maybe speed) and has so many nice moves such as tailwind, sd and many, many more. It can run a mixed set with leaf storm and running the rest physical. It also gets access to hwish which is really nice as we are lacking in many good hwish passers. It can also run a subseed set with giga drain + airslash, hoping for some flinches whilst healing. Lat but not least, natural cure is such a nice ability to deal with burns on physical sets, and annoying paras and poisons.

C -> UR
As much as this pains me to do, what does this mon do over dudun? Both setup bslam users, one just completely outclasses the other, i honestly see no reason to keep this ranked.

S -> A+
Please please please please realise that this mon is not as good as youre all calling it, its absolutely not bannable, it adds to the alot to the tier, and overall is not shaping the metagame around it, its definitely an amazing mon, but not ban-worthy whatsoever, and is not broken in any way, shape or form.

B -> B-
we did the same thing we did with floatzel here guys: we looked, saw it was better in this meta, and ranked it super highly. Dont get me wrong, this mon is fine rn, but definitely not along the likes of mons such as minior and virizion. Just because its an HO meta, doesnt mean that ditto will be amazing and punish setup sweepers. Alot of the time, this mon is not gonna do much and is just gonna get killed. Overall, i think its def an ok mon, but not B tier

Alr, thats all for now. Stay safe and bye guyssssssssssss

 

[Shadow Crystal]

C -> C+
Alright, fine ill admit this mon is better than C, but not by much. You can use this over redbird the same way you would sometimes use mowtom over heatom: less weak to spikes, and the fire mon is already taken up on your team, other than that, use firebird because its just better overall. (Also its nice to switch into a choice locked melo or toxt using hvoice +bburst respectively)


S -> A+
Please please please please realise that this mon is not as good as youre all calling it, its absolutely not bannable, it adds to the alot to the tier, and overall is not shaping the metagame around it, its definitely an amazing mon, but not ban-worthy whatsoever, and is not broken in any way, shape or form.

Great Noms while I agree with many of them I heavily Disagree with 2 noms you posted.
The First one is Oricorio-Sensu.

Now Sensu in a Vaccum is a good mon. Its just another broken Setup sweeper which enjoys tera even more however there is really no reason to use it atm. It is wholly outclassed at this Role by 2 mons.


The First is
The Baile Oricorio is one of the best flagship game enders available in the tier. Its better mu into so many of the best most important and defining mons of the Tier which often really annoy sensu like Florges Frosmoth Decidyue Skunktank Bombardier Copperajah Sandslash are simply too valuable and it also acts as a much better switchin to things like Paldean Tauros making it just not a late game sweeper but also an immense defensive asset for those teams as it could switchin to not just Tauros (although its amazing at how it blanks the stabs of it) but also things like scrafty (due to knock weakness+retaining rock weakness u take more damge than baile from knock+SR ) and also an invaluable mu into things like Frosmoth and CM florges (which has very good odds of just beating sensu) make Baile the superior choice which is also why

--> A- : Reasons stated above+Just a broken setup sweeper in a tera world with good defensive stability to it and has 2 great sets in ph.def taunt or offensive 2 attacker both r good and has different checks to them For instance taunt struggles against things like rhydon and toxtricity but offensive just beats them with tera ground while things like rotom heat stumps offensive u just beat it with taunt. These make it one of the best sweepers of the metagame atm and I dont see why its not on par with mons like grimmsnarl and scrafty and is for sure not worse than mons like altaria and cramorant.

The other mon it is competing with is which atm I rate higher due to unburden doubling its speed meaning its easier to slot onto teams (esp terrain). Sensu is in vaccum like a B+ mon but it just has no reason to be used. U rarely have a specific need to run sensu.

Its weakness to knock sucker and sneaks which are way more common than say Ambipom Fake Out sucks aswell (Its not like ambipom is an amazing mu for sensu like the bulky sets just don't OHKO ambipom and u take SO MUCH from axel) unlike Baile. I however think its good enough to stay ranked but not at all to C+. Its fine where it is. (Also the meloetta mu is annoying as u need to hurricane vs it which is horrible feeling)

Next Take I disagree with is Meloetta to A+.
"overall is not shaping the metagame around it," is just a blatant lie. Meloetta is probably the pokemon shaping the metagame around the most or at the very least is contentious for that statement. Many teams are rendered unviable due to their bad melo mu and single handedly forces faster and faster teams (which is not easy since melo is so fast to begin with ) and forces a combination of steel dark and ghost mons (like bombardier decidyue for instance) and singlehandedly caused bulky frosmoth to rise in usage. This alongside its unmatched versataility with simply put insane utility it provides makes it not less than S tier in my humble opinion and is one of the defining faces of the tier even better than florges.

 

[Oofhixd]

Great Noms while I agree with many of them I heavily Disagree with 2 noms you posted.
The First one is Oricorio-Sensu.

Now Sensu in a Vaccum is a good mon. Its just another broken Setup sweeper which enjoys tera even more however there is really no reason to use it atm. It is wholly outclassed at this Role by 2 mons.


The First is
The Baile Oricorio is one of the best flagship game enders available in the tier. Its better mu into so many of the best most important and defining mons of the Tier which often really annoy sensu like Florges Frosmoth Decidyue Skunktank Bombardier Copperajah Sandslash are simply too valuable and it also acts as a much better switchin to things like Paldean Tauros making it just not a late game sweeper but also an immense defensive asset for those teams as it could switchin to not just Tauros (although its amazing at how it blanks the stabs of it) but also things like scrafty (due to knock weakness+retaining rock weakness u take more damge than baile from knock+SR ) and also an invaluable mu into things like Frosmoth and CM florges (which has very good odds of just beating sensu) make Baile the superior choice which is also why

--> A- : Reasons stated above+Just a broken setup sweeper in a tera world with good defensive stability to it and has 2 great sets in ph.def taunt or offensive 2 attacker both r good and has different checks to them For instance taunt struggles against things like rhydon and toxtricity but offensive just beats them with tera ground while things like rotom heat stumps offensive u just beat it with taunt. These make it one of the best sweepers of the metagame atm and I dont see why its not on par with mons like grimmsnarl and scrafty and is for sure not worse than mons like altaria and cramorant.

The other mon it is competing with is which atm I rate higher due to unburden doubling its speed meaning its easier to slot onto teams (esp terrain). Sensu is in vaccum like a B+ mon but it just has no reason to be used. U rarely have a specific need to run sensu.

Its weakness to knock sucker and sneaks which are way more common than say Ambipom Fake Out sucks aswell (Its not like ambipom is an amazing mu for sensu like the bulky sets just don't OHKO ambipom and u take SO MUCH from axel) unlike Baile. I however think its good enough to stay ranked but not at all to C+. Its fine where it is. (Also the meloetta mu is annoying as u need to hurricane vs it which is horrible feeling)

Next Take I disagree with is Meloetta to A+.
"overall is not shaping the metagame around it," is just a blatant lie. Meloetta is probably the pokemon shaping the metagame around the most or at the very least is contentious for that statement. Many teams are rendered unviable due to their bad melo mu and single handedly forces faster and faster teams (which is not easy since melo is so fast to begin with ) and forces a combination of steel dark and ghost mons (like bombardier decidyue for instance) and singlehandedly caused bulky frosmoth to rise in usage. This alongside its unmatched versataility with simply put insane utility it provides makes it not less than S tier in my humble opinion and is one of the defining faces of the tier even better than florges.

Im going to agree with your take on baile up to A-, is definitely a good mon and this meta is just super nice for it. Whilst i am going to go back on saying that sensu should be C+ (even though i do agree to some extent with it still), i am not going to go back on meloetta being A+, the reason being that just because melo renders a team unviable due to specific MUs, doesnt mean that other mons dont do that. For example, you need a fairy resist for florges, or a fire resist/very bulky mon into arcanine. Imho, i could definitely see why people could think of melo in S, i dont agree with it. Also the statement that “melo singlehandedly caused bulky frosmoth to rise” is just incorrect. Bulky frosmoth is rising due to so many prominent spatkers in the meta, and a lot of things being very HO centric, and frosmoth is a nice defogger which can switch into almost any special hit (even k9 flamethrower). furthermore, 90% of meloetta’s run psyshock over psychic due to frosmoth and other bulky special walls. Imo, melo is a very very strong mon, but it is by absolutely no mean broken, and does not achieve the same consistent value as the other 2 mons in S have.

(Also some very quick noms that i didnt include in my earlier post)

C+ -> B-
Both much better mons than most of the other C+ mons, sableye can completely mess up teams in the right hands, burning any non fire typed physical attacker in sight, and completely fucking over any setup sweeper which isnt named scrafty or grimmsnarl or zoroark. Sandslash is a nice remover, which currently does not get much usage as to why its ranked so low, but it has some really nice MUs into mons and is just overall a pretty splashable mon.

C -> B/C+
two of the mons in C that i think are better than people are giving them credit for. Alolacat is like a mini being able to knock off, and parting shot opponents whilst just generally being a complete nuisance. Mismagius is a super nice fast sweeper, being able to completely take unprepared teams.

A -> A+
ok ok, hear me out. Normal decid is good, great even! But this mon is just insane. Tarrows spam, gets u-turn, gets defog, gets KO etc. this mon is just insane. The only drawbacks to this mon being that there are a few fighting resists in the meta, where youd have to u-turn out and that after scarf with 252+ Spe it only reaches 360 speed, whilst the 115 mons reach 361, not being able to outspeed them. This mon is also incredibly splashable, and can fit on to almost every team where there isnt a fighting or grass mon. My favourite set for this mon is

Decidueye-Hisui @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Scrappy
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Triple Arrows
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Defog

Defog + scarf may seem weird, but at that speed stat you’re essentially getting prankster removal, yet you have to switch out next turn, which imo is a fine enough trade, and most of the time you will click tarrows/u turn anyways.

Alr, thats all i can think of rn, bye guyssssssssss

 

[Shadow Crystal]

Im going to agree with your take on baile up to A-, is definitely a good mon and this meta is just super nice for it. Whilst i am going to go back on saying that sensu should be C+ (even though i do agree to some extent with it still), i am not going to go back on meloetta being A+, the reason being that just because melo renders a team unviable due to specific MUs, doesnt mean that other mons dont do that. For example, you need a fairy resist for florges, or a fire resist/very bulky mon into arcanine. Imho, i could definitely see why people could think of melo in S, i dont agree with it. Also the statement that “melo singlehandedly caused bulky frosmoth to rise” is just incorrect. Bulky frosmoth is rising due to so many prominent spatkers in the meta, and a lot of things being very HO centric, and frosmoth is a nice defogger which can switch into almost any special hit (even k9 flamethrower). furthermore, 90% of meloetta’s run psyshock over psychic due to frosmoth and other bulky special walls. Imo, melo is a very very strong mon, but it is by absolutely no mean broken, and does not achieve the same consistent value as the other 2 mons in S have.

(Also some very quick noms that i didnt include in my earlier post)

C+ -> B-
Both much better mons than most of the other C+ mons, sableye can completely mess up teams in the right hands, burning any non fire typed physical attacker in sight, and completely fucking over any setup sweeper which isnt named scrafty or grimmsnarl or zoroark. Sandslash is a nice remover, which currently does not get much usage as to why its ranked so low, but it has some really nice MUs into mons and is just overall a pretty splashable mon.

C -> C+
two of the mons in C that i think are better than people are giving them credit for. Alolacat is like a mini being able to knock off, and parting shot opponents whilst just generally being a complete nuisance. Mismagius is a super nice fast sweeper, being able to completely take unprepared teams.

A -> A+
ok ok, hear me out. Normal decid is good, great even! But this mon is just insane. Tarrows spam, gets u-turn, gets defog, gets KO etc. this mon is just insane. The only drawbacks to this mon being that there are a few fighting resists in the meta, where youd have to u-turn out and that after scarf with 252+ Spe it only reaches 360 speed, whilst the 115 mons reach 361, not being able to outspeed them. This mon is also incredibly splashable, and can fit on to almost every team where there isnt a fighting or grass mon. My favourite set for this mon is

Decidueye-Hisui @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Scrappy
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Triple Arrows
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Defog

Defog + scarf may seem weird, but at that speed stat you’re essentially getting prankster removal, yet you have to switch out next turn, which imo is a fine enough trade, and most of the time you will click tarrows/u turn anyways.

Alr, thats all i can think of rn, bye guyssssssssss

Now the example you brought are arcanine and florges forcing resists on a team and you are absolutely right but they are also S rank and nobody is nomming them down and they shouldn't as they are fine where they are.
Frosmoth necessarily didn't rise entirely due to Melo it rose due to many strong sp. Atkers dominating meta but Melo is like the best special attacker we have and thus is very big reason behind the rise it helps that Psyshock also is affected by ice scales. Melo can run psychic really fine aswell(serene grace psychic is evil) but it's forgoing that for Psyshock not just because of frosmoth. It ran Psyshock since the beginning for a better mu into florges (the cm sets in particular) and it just happened to be great into moth which rose later and I don't see how running Psyshock over psychic makes Melo not S tier. It's like saying arcanine isn't S tier because it has to run extreme speed. And again non broken mons also can be S tier. The consistency part is also debatable as specs meloetta is as consistent of a breaker as u can get here. The only thing that requires thinking about it is the prediction part and even then u could have good midground options (sandslash vs decid? Use shadow ball. Copper vs wo chien? Use focus blast. Scrafty vs decid? Alluring voice. Part of what makes Melo so good is 1 wrong predict isn't the end of a game. U have so so many switching oppurtunity due to just how raw tanky it is (yes even on physical side it's decently tanky) and av melo doesn't even need to predict (u need spinner). The only Melo set that's of consistent is sub cm which I admit is a mu fish (a very strong mu fish). The issues Melo has are so worth the upsides it brings and those issues are frankly just what keeps it from completely just running over meta and I don't see why it's not on same level as arcanine and florges.
Ending on a high note I absolutely agree with your noms on slash and sableye they r just super underrated gems atm and I could see them rising even more in future and yeah we have all realized what a dumb Mon h-decid is lol backing the rise it to A+.

Have a nice day :)

 

[tom holland]

Delphox from B+ to A-
I am renominating Delphox, because delphox is a great choice for a fire type right now despite the tough competition, and finds success both on paper and practice. The biggest traits delphox carry which make it A- viable are as follows:

1. Reliable fairy switchin- HDB Delphox sets make a great switchin for Florges and it can do something back with cm+psyshock
2. Reliable bulk up tauros answer- Delphox resists both tauros's stabs, and BU doesn't run eq or sedge. You can switch into choice sets with caution.
3. grass knot coverage- grass knot allows delphox to beat gastrodon and rhydon, as well as mudsdale without relying on tera, unlike salazzle, arcanine, and rotom-h.
4. terrain viability- Delphox can run both agility sets and cm sets successfully in grassy terrain as well as psychic terrain.
5. Base 104 speed- Despite undrespeeding 105s, 104 is still an excellent speed benchmark in this meta.
6. Great bulk- With advantages from its typing and above average bulk for a breaker/sweeper, delphox is often able to exceed expectations in the bulk department.
7. Great support moves- Delphox has access to encore, calm mnd, nasty plot, and will-o-wisp which allows for flexibility in seondary utility you want to offer.

I really think the biggest think that holds delphox back is its competition with other very viable fire types in the tier, such as salazzle and arcanine. Even rotom-h has become quite popular as a pick lately. I still think delphox offers unique traits other fire types do not and those traits still create viability exceeding B+. Fire types seem to be a prominent type in the meta, and Delphox should not be counted out as contender for the fire type slot.

replays:

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9pu-810646

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9pu-807625

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9pu-795465

First four are my replays in holdovers and wc and last one is fish in SCL.

Thwackey from C+ to B -

I am renominating thwackey to increase in viablity because it has proven to me in practice still that it is a viable playstyle to load in high-stakes games and has more consistency than one would expect from terrain. I have brought terrain BO with copperjah, belli, and gastro and found success and the same success can also be found in terrain HO, showing its versatility in how it can be built as well. Thwackey on its own is a threat with Choice Band as well on structures which don't need extender thwackey. Grassy Terrain is not a C+ rated strategy right now and deserves a more fitting rank. It is difficu;t to account for all potential grassy terrain threats right now in addition to all of the meta offensive options to account for, and well-built terrain terrain teams often have a terrain mon that cracks open the defensive core. Thwackey is the facilitator of this and has offensive presence in its own right.

Porygon2 from B- to B

Porygon2 has all the right traits to be a viable tank in a tier full of offensive threats. For having no resists besides ghost, it makes up for that in reliable recovery and excellent eviolite bulk. It has access to thunder wave to facilitate paraspam strategies, and trace gives it endless possilities whether its walling toxt with punk rock, tracing sheer force and getting boosted attacks, or proccing freeze with serene grace tri attack. Speaking of serene grace, porygon2 is a fine answer to meloetta, and if its focus blast specs you can run tera water, electric, or fairy and still wall meloetta. It has access to foul play which keeps it from being calm mind fodder to psychic types and lets it hit copperjah. With its wide movepool i'm sure there are other ways to run porygon2. I think the best way to run it is mixed bulk so it can tank psyshocks and still be a special wall. I use +2 minior acrobatics after stealth rocks as a benchmark when I EV it. It can be great at switching into non-knock decidueye this way as well. Porygon2 is good enough at not being passive and spreading paralysis to be used on balance and bulky offense too, not just stall. Porygon2 hates three things majorly: Knock off, Status, and Hazards+Momentum. These common tools on teams make porygon2 reliant on its team to do its job well, as it hates losing knock off or getting toxic'd. So despite it being an insane tank, I think it should be B rank and not higher necessarily unless it picks up more usage on balance and bulky offense.

Venusaur from A- to B+

Venusaur feels like it always is just short of having enough stats to win the interactions its in, and always feels like it could be useful on a team but then you remember all the other grass types and what they offer. It has pretty decent coverage actually with Grass+Poison+Ground, letting it hit most of the tier unresisted. It often just is not enough though with many pokemon still straight up walling it, others able to successfully trade with it positively, and its typing leaves many pokemon to check it. The grass type competition it faces is decidueye, hecidueye, wo-chien, and grass types are already not high in demand, so going with two in the builder is probably not advised. Poison type competition becomes even more difficult for our grass dinosaur, and even though you can get away with two poison types often times, like I said its plethora of weaknesses makes it especially difficult to do with vensaur. I do not think vensaur is an A- threat currently, and I always find myself using other things instead after considering it.

There are a few other things I have opinions on but these are what i feel strongly about. More developments could be made at a future date.

 

[Oofhixd]

Ok ok ok im sorry for posting again so soon but i promise this one will be short.

B -> B-
Imo the worst PU ranked mon. Basically completely outclassed by heattom, and grass isnt a great typing rn, losing to k9 among other fires. Most of the time, you’d be better off using heattom and the times where you wouldn’t, most of the time you’d rather use another mon anyways. This mon is also just worse than helectrode, which is another grass electric type which youre just gonna get more value from rn.

UR -> C+
Oh look its oof renomming a mon that just got UR’d for the like 7th time. In all seriousness though, primeape’s UR was quite unexpected and was probably due to it not having a prominent use in matches. This time it actually has a match to back it up (ignore leavanny)

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9pu-2266710164-3rx9lq5hvgqo50pyah0iz3tk7pxfc1ypw

Imo, this proves that primeape can still do primeape things and is still an overall massively potent threat, especially in webs/spikestack/hwish/revival blessing/with non tera reliant mons, if all (or even some) of those criterion are met, then this mon is an absolutely insane sweeper.

Ok, agree with noms now

Agree With:

B+ -> A-, fast bulky fairy switching with coverage that can dish out alot of damage, idt theres more to be said abt this mon

B- -> B (Or even B+ imo)
Insane mon, definitely better than everything in B- and even B imo, insanely splashable and super super fat mon which can dish out massive damage.

A- -> B+
Honestly such a fraud mon. Does so much less than you want it to, and being weak to meloetta doesn’t help it. Also most of the time i’d just rather use helectrode, wo-chien, or either decidueye form.

Neutral On

C+ -> B-
Idk, i personally think arboliva is just as good as this mon and this also warrants an increase in arboliva’s ranking, but im definitely not opposed to this.

Disagree With

Nothing Currently!

Alr, thats all for now, will try to refrain from posting for a while until the drops/rises happen.

Stay safe and bye guyssssss <3

 

[Breakfastbiscuit]

Nice nominations Tom Holland.

Personally I wouldn’t drop Venusaur but the suggestion is super valid.

Editing in some nominations:

U/R -> C

Never understood how anyone could have something bad to say about this Pokémon.

I think it’s fantastic and this guy will never let you down. Great revenge killer with several priority options.

Multiple good Tera type options. Not pidgeon-holed into any one item. Doesn’t even need technician.

B -> U/R

This Pokémon isn’t doing anything.
Zero reason to use this over Bruxish.
Truly underwhelming damage output.
Straight up awful right now. Would love to see an argument to how it is viable.

C -> UR

It’s really bad.

As I said last time imo it doesn’t even have a place on terrain teams right now.

B -> C

I don’t regard this Pokémon in the slightest.

Have only seen it do a couple things recently with the trailblaze set (pretty cool admittedly)

But I find this Pokémon to be rather lacklustre and certainly not at the ranking it currently has

B -> C

Falling out of favour (if you think otherwise speak on up)

Very inconsistent and is in my opinion the second most matchup fish Pokémon closely behind Alcremie.

Most of the time when I see it it’s deadweight and I think by no stretch of the imagination is Baille a B tier.

A- -> B

This Pokémon is decent and still has some good matchups. One useable set is colbur and I think this Pokémon is pretty mids and would like to see it ranked more accordingly.

 

[Wnedy]

(First time doing this so take what I say with a grain of salt XD)

UR --> C (See edit)

Sets up on many pokemon in the tier for free via superpower which also can force switches from many foes. With some special defense investment the thing can be hard to take out once setup. Has defog for some utility along with synthesis for reliable healing. The thing is piss slow so finding setup opportunities could be really hard at times so using it as a late game cleaner is most ideal to possibly guarantee turns to setup. If webs gets more popular Lurantis could serve a more prominent role to punish those but regardless the speed still remains a drawback.

Edit: After playing like 50 games with this thing nah it’s def not viable. Way to reliant on tera to make bulky sets last long and setup in general is slow even with attack investment. The amount of support this thing needs to do anything is way to much for what it offers immediately.

C --> C+

Feels alot better with scyther being gone. Counters Bellibolt well and seed flare is super spammable honestly.

B- --> C+

It's low stats really hurt what it trys to do despite the added bulk from eviolite imo. Magic Bounce is neat but its typing making it vulnerable to the common knock off and u-turns. Definitely something that can work well if supported by a team built around it tho.

B+ --> A-

Super versatile Mon which can serve as a sweeper, utility and more. Its bulk gives it opportunities to set up multiple times if needed to make up for the low attack stats it has. Conversely it has many options with utility sets which gives the thing flexibility to many playstyles.

B- --> C+

Good on the physical side but 55 special defense really holds this thing back even with investment. The typing is always appreciated especially with the ground immunity.

UR --> C

Excellent speed tier and ground STAB is always useful. The thing has negative survivability so using it with Sash (best paired with Swords Dance) or maximising immeadiate damage via Choice Band helps it fill the revenge killing roles it likes doing. Has Rock moves and sucker punch for coverage to fill out other move slots. Probably only usable on really aggressive teams but I think its worth the shout here given its potential.

Again take this with a grain of salt and feel free to correct me on anything since I am still kinda new to the tier as a whole

 

[DD Joe]

Hello all,

Firstly, merry christmas!

Here are my personal feelings on adjustments:

A+/ A- I think Rhydon has seen some brilliant growth in the past few weeks and fills the role of bulky offensive rock setter as well as a double dance sweeper on HO teams. However, I feel like Rhydon is a mild tera hog and also can be played around fairly easily, especially with its low speed tier and semi limited movepool. It's very strong, but I don't think it's quite at the top of the pile.

A-/A+ I Mudsdale is very, very good. It has great bulk and an excellent offensive stat. It can halt Tauros F in its tracks with its offensive power as well as access to roar. Only caveat with Mudsdale is pairing it with a strong specially defensive partner, such as Goodra or in niche cases, Cryogonal. It is extremely consistent with stealth rock and body press and its band set is surprisingly capable. I think this can fit on any team and is stronger than A-


A+-S I think Bellibolt is incredible. It functions as a brilliant physical wall threatening to spread paralysis with static and has access to muddy water for handling its switch ins like Mudsdale, Rhydon and other strong ground types. Toxic is also a rare and extremely powerful tool in PU right now and it is its best user apart from Salazzle. It was marginally stronger when Scyther was running rampage but I think this mon is so versatile and strong it deserves a place on most teams. It can build momentum with Volt switch too. Just a brilliant mon

B-/A I think Orthworm is severely underrated. It has access to both great hazards in stealth rock and spikes but also can serve as a potent check/sweeper to tons of mons in the tier. It can wall the dangerous Florges and without tera influence Melo. Its coil set can make it very dangerous and steel is very strong as an offensive type. Lack of steels in the tier mean this pokemon has a lot of untapped potential.

B-/B+ Dipplin is an excellent addition to balance teams as a physical wall as well as being the best phazer in the tier. Without proper counter measures in encore, taunt, strong coverage, this pokemon can get out of control very quickly and walls many physical threats like Tauros F, Pawmot, Decidueye etc. This pokemon is slightly underrated I think. It can get extremely strong with a couple of growths and giga drain paired with the strong poison tera defensive typing.

S/A Florges is very strong. It can rampage with its specs set, can be a strong wish passer and also functions well as a set up mon with cm and wish. If Melo is banned, Florges will be stronger, however, right now, it is checked well by a plethora of bulky mons in the tier, Arcanine, Sandslash A, Orth etc. Its ability to cripple stall with trick is also excellent but sadly quite predictable.

B-/A I think Sslash is severely underrated. Serves as a an excellent check to several mons, Melo sans Tera, Florges, Bellibolt etc. It can switch in, set up spikes and is a very reliable spinner. Ice typing is a very strong type in the tier right now and Iron Head is also a strong offensive move. Ice/Steel is an amazing defensive typing with careful switch ins and tera ghost. Careful around Tauros - F. Disclaimer that this mon requires clever switches and good momentum play.

Those are my thoughts. Hope everyone has a great christmas/holidays :)

 

[lettuce]

I once again decided to have an opinion on the VR today for no particular reason!

-> Higher
I'm not sure why this dropped but I didn't notice soon enough to ask. I think it's still a top-tier threat, and surely it isn't a placement worse than Pawmot, Decid-H, and on par with Scrafty. I think it exerts a lot of offensive pressure and it can eat its checks if you run coverage like EQ, Stedge, trailblaze, or throat chop. I don't have much else to add, just don't think it's A-.

Fine where it is? Small rise to B?
Physical walls running hazards in this meta have to compete with Rhydon and Gastrodon, and things like Golurk, Copperajah, and (arguably) Mudsdale have offensive potential, steel typing, and not being fighting weak, respectively. All the setters in B+ and B have unique enough roles ( ? ? ) to justify their placements. In my opinion, Orthworm is more in line with Palossand and Sandaconda, where it has something neat that may fit certain teams. It isn't better than Copperajah – I'd rather have Rajah's knock than Orthworm's ability to eat an EQ from... Rhydon? My point is that there aren't many mons with ground coverage running around, and having an immunity to them isn't that valuable. I was very indecisive with my nom on Orth because my argument puts it into B, although I think that it's fine in B-.

A+-S I think Bellibolt is incredible. It functions as a brilliant physical wall threatening to spread paralysis with static and has access to muddy water for handling its switch ins like Mudsdale, Rhydon and other strong ground types. Toxic is also a rare and extremely powerful tool in PU right now and it is its best user apart from Salazzle. It was marginally stronger when Scyther was running rampage but I think this mon is so versatile and strong it deserves a place on most teams. It can build momentum with Volt switch too. Just a brilliant mon

This is probably a biased take but I disagree with this. I don't think it does enough through a game to be on the tier of Arcanine, Florg, or Melo, who all massively influence a game. I also ran twave on my last Beli, which did nothing. Think Beli is fine an A+.

B -> B+
I don't know why this is so low. I know Heattom is 'better,' but I think that a Volt Switcher that dunks on Gastrodon and other grounds when you click Leaf Storm is worth using. Mowtom is the most usable mon in B-tier, and yeah, it does compete with Decid-H and Rotom-H as pivots, but I don't think that should stop it from being in at least B+. In my opinion, Rotom-H doesn't completely outclass the grass one. I would rather run pivot sets with Mowtom than Heattom, who in turn does sweeper or Phys wall better. (i forgot abt helec but I don't think helec outclasses grasstom that much)

A- -> B+
I feel like Brux is the least impactful mon in the A-tiers. This is mostly vibes. The argument I would develop with more time/energy sounds like "not on the same level as Scrafty or Golurk."

Anyways happy holidays!

 

[Allidoishuynh]

I hadn't played this tier in maybe a year, but upon coming back I'm really impressed by how good pawmot is. The scarf set is a monster of a revenge killer with those 120BP stabs and it outpaces stuff like +2 scrafty/frosmoth/toxtricity, +1 Tauros, and most scarfers. It also gives a greatly appreciated electric immunity even if your Rhydon goes down and can make progress vs defensive teams with knock off. The biggest thing though is how scary it is in the endgame because it doesn't care how much health it has left or if it's currently statused, it can out speed and get off a suicide revival blessing to bring back any wincon you need to clean the game up. It's such a great partner for CB Arcanine or CM Florges. But revival in general is such a good option vs any team as long as you have at least 1 Mon that does very well into their squad

 

[Oofhixd]

Ok first post after shifts!

NEW -> A
Ok if this mon isnt quickbanned, this is where i think it is currently. Most people currently think its A+ or even S, but this mon is quite overhyped due to new toy syndrome (yes i know weve had this mon in SWSH but without ssmash). That being said, it is a very strong mon, with a nice moveset. The standard set is shell smash, loaded dice and multi hit moves, with just enough speed to outspeed salazzle at +2. This set makes this mon easily the best sweeper in the tier, and makes it very strong. It also has niche idefense bpress sets which are fine. This mon has recovery and rocks which can fit onto most non-ssmash builds. Overall, its a strong mon, but not strong enough to warrant a ban, imo it should be suspected.

D -> UR
Goodbye.

A- -> A/A+
This mon is actually insane. After melo going, this mon has less competition, theres no gastro to annoy this mon, and it wont die to a shadow sneak from decid whilst low anymore. Overall, the shifts have just benefited this mon so much, and i believe its super strong currently.

B+ -> A
Ok seeing this mon below fraudsdale, fraudsaur, and scraftfraud is insane. This mon has so much versatility, does basically anything you want it to, and is super splashable, it essentially has the same strengths as guno rn.

Ok thats it, i kinda left this post halfway done and didnt know what to write so uhhhhhh yeah

 

[Breakfastbiscuit]

Greetings denizens time for some Breakfastbiscuit yap.

Delphox B+ -> A

After finding out the hard way just how good this Pokemon is I finally caved and gave it the time of day. Did my fair share of “Delphox maxxing” and let me just say I don’t think there is currently a Pokemon so keen to outright sweep than Delphox is.

Aside from rolling through “noobs” with underprepared teams this Pokemon poses a great threat to for lack of better words “Actual teams” and is in my opinion worth running psychic terrain for (which has seen some slight improvements as of late I might add)

It’s not without its pitfalls that is to say facing serious opposition from Coalossal,Mudsdale,Altaria on the defensive side as well as Zoroark and Ambipom on the offensive side.

But with a little posturing this Pokemon can run through a team like no one’s business.

Goodra A- -> A

Fits nicely onto most teams a good partner to things like Coalossal,Decidueye-H and Arcanine

I can think of like 4 sets that are an outright threat.

Salazzle A+ -> A-

Not a big drop. A tiny one infact I just think it’s a little harder to fit onto a team.

Kingdra C -> B-

Really impressed with this Pokemon lately.

Ambipom B- -> A

This Pokemon has seen some good play recently and has seen an uptake of sorts, sadly has a rough matchup into fire types (Rotom heat,Tauros and even boots Salazzle and Arcanine especially can really take advantage of it, also Coalossal worth mentioning too.

Indeedee-F C -> B-

I think Psychic terrain is a tad better than the other things I’m seeing in the C tier.

(Same goes for thwackey with grassy being pretty spammable)

Sceptile C -> B-

Not much to say I think it’s a pretty solid choice with a couple of good Tera choices

Now here’s where I get to sound like a stuck record and re-recommend certain Pokemon for drops.

Commenceth Yap phase II (Drops)

Once again pushing for a Floatzel drop.

As we take a look at the usage statistics for December we see Floatzel at a meager 1.9 % usage which I feel is a pretty good indicator of it’s viability

| 66 | Floatzel | 1.96919% | 1181 |

And here included is the only impressive calc I’ve witnessed over the past 3 months out of Floatzel

252 Atk Choice Band Tera Water Floatzel Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fluffy Houndstone in Rain: 183-216 (52.5 - 62%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Saw this happen twice and was the only time where I thought “Floatzel whoa” all the other times it has stunk.

Moving onto Oricorio-baille

And there’s much more to usage especially when it comes to Oricorio

But let’s take a look at the December usage statistics.

| 168 | Oricorio | 0.50522% | 303 |

As we see it only accrued a .5. % usage and I think that is for good reason.

Not to detract anything from it. I feel it has a fantastic presence on HO. (Especially in the right hands)

But overall felt that this Pokemon is more “Niche” than its current representation so i nominate both of the two for a drop to C tier.

Other noms for a drop maybe Frosmoth from A- to B+ still great but is getting left in the wake a little. And personally not seeing it getting much mileage outside of HO.

Golurk from A- to B+

With some less than colourful things that I’ve had to say about Golurk over the past few months I can admit I was wrong and over-critical.

With Golurk proving to be one of the best partners (imo) to Articuno-G and Electrode-H doing a great job of enabling the current iteration of volt turn and spike stack. However I think it is time for B tier bruiser status.

 

[Oofhixd]

Greetings denizens time for some Breakfastbiscuit yap.

Delphox B+ -> A

After finding out the hard way just how good this Pokemon is I finally caved and gave it the time of day. Did my fair share of “Delphox maxxing” and let me just say I don’t think there is currently a Pokemon so keen to outright sweep than Delphox is.

Aside from rolling through “noobs” with underprepared teams this Pokemon poses a great threat to for lack of better words “Actual teams” and is in my opinion worth running psychic terrain for (which has seen some slight improvements as of late I might add)

It’s not without its pitfalls that is to say facing serious opposition from Coalossal,Mudsdale,Altaria on the defensive side as well as Zoroark and Ambipom on the offensive side.

But with a little posturing this Pokemon can run through a team like no one’s business.

Goodra A- -> A

Fits nicely onto most teams a good partner to things like Coalossal,Decidueye-H and Arcanine

I can think of like 4 sets that are an outright threat.

Salazzle A+ -> A-

Not a big drop. A tiny one infact I just think it’s a little harder to fit onto a team.

Kingdra C -> B-

Really impressed with this Pokemon lately.

Ambipom B- -> A

This Pokemon has seen some good play recently and has seen an uptake of sorts, sadly has a rough matchup into fire types (Rotom heat,Tauros and even boots Salazzle and Arcanine especially can really take advantage of it, also Coalossal worth mentioning too.

Indeedee-F C -> B-

I think Psychic terrain is a tad better than the other things I’m seeing in the C tier.

(Same goes for thwackey with grassy being pretty spammable)

Sceptile C -> B-

Not much to say I think it’s a pretty solid choice with a couple of good Tera choices

Now here’s where I get to sound like a stuck record and re-recommend certain Pokemon for drops.

Commenceth Yap phase II (Drops)

Once again pushing for a Floatzel drop.

As we take a look at the usage statistics for December we see Floatzel at a meager 1.9 % usage which I feel is a pretty good indicator of it’s viability

| 66 | Floatzel | 1.96919% | 1181 |

And here included is the only impressive calc I’ve witnessed over the past 3 months out of Floatzel

252 Atk Choice Band Tera Water Floatzel Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fluffy Houndstone in Rain: 183-216 (52.5 - 62%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Saw this happen twice and was the only time where I thought “Floatzel whoa” all the other times it has stunk.

Moving onto Oricorio-baille

And there’s much more to usage especially when it comes to Oricorio

But let’s take a look at the December usage statistics.

| 168 | Oricorio | 0.50522% | 303 |

As we see it only accrued a .5. % usage and I think that is for good reason.

Not to detract anything from it. I feel it has a fantastic presence on HO. (Especially in the right hands)

But overall felt that this Pokemon is more “Niche” than its current representation so i nominate both of the two for a drop to C tier.

Other noms for a drop maybe Frosmoth from A- to B+ still great but is getting left in the wake a little. And personally not seeing it getting much mileage outside of HO.

Golurk from A- to B+

With some less than colourful things that I’ve had to say about Golurk over the past few months I can admit I was wrong and over-critical.

With Golurk proving to be one of the best partners (imo) to Articuno-G and Electrode-H doing a great job of enabling the current iteration of volt turn and spike stack. However I think it is time for B tier bruiser status.

wow im surprised at how much of this i agree with, here are the things i dont.

B -> C
yeah, nah, im pushing for this mon up not down. its pretty good and usage does not indicate viability. (See bruxish here not rising, and hitmontop for the longest time). ori is a great sweeper right now with nice enough utility. this mon absolutely does not need to be in the same spot as knock-weak sensu and is better than every other viable qd mon (except moth which doesnt run qd whatsoever, except rarely but thats C at best) but yeah, if you want more proof on this mon just look at what crystal said. but this is definitely the most controversial mon in the meta rn when it comes to where it is ranked.
That being said:
B -> A-
B- -> C
yeah this mon should drop, but not to C, i find C+ much more fitting. first off, this mon is doing alot to most mons in the meta, especially with sr chip, and it has some really nice calcs

Damage Calc

252 Atk Choice Band Floatzel Wave Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Florges: 345-406 (116.1 - 136.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

you can see that this mon does ALOT to a crucial meta threat, and dont even get me started on k9. the issue with the mon is its all or nothing. you either get 2 kills or just die and imo there are better mons for that, and even still its not a great playstyle rn. that being said:
B- -> C+

C -> B-
See research project.
That being said:
C -> UR

C -> B-
Use hlee.

B- -> A
ok so first off, ambi is B not B-. but yeah it deserves a small bump to B+ imo since it fits really well into this meta, but absolutely nowhere near anything like A. this mon still really struggles as a lead and is just underwhelming for an A rank in general. looking at the mons in A, you see some absolute meta staples, and ambj is nowhere near there. it fits in with the likes of B+ mons pretty well.

That being said:
B -> B+

A+ -> A-
yeah this mon is not going down. if anything, this mon is closer to S than A, and currently is the 3rd or 4th best mon in this meta. definitely not in the tier with the same likes of muds, goodra and golurk.

A- -> A
yeah this mon is not doing enough to be justified to be put in A. no set really *works* on this mon, it just never does enough to justify A. dont get me wrong, its a good mon, but flor is a better special wall and its really jack of all trades, not going here nor there in this meta.

alr those are all for now!

 

[Oofhixd]

Oh look another oof post, not that you should be surprised at this point, but no one has posted here in a while, and i feel the VR is order for a change. Be wary, these noms might get a little out of hand.

A+ -> S
Ive never considered this mon for S until a few weeks ago. Then I realised its just as strong as florges, and i use it on almost every team. This mon is so nice. It can sweep, it can set up, it has more than 1 good tera type, and its fat as fuck w/ evio. There have been many many posts about rhydon previously, and i feel like i dont need to do much justifying for his mon as everyone already knows how good it is, even if its not S to you all.

:lycanshit:— i mean B+ -> C+
Yeah idk how this mon rose but there are just better HO leads. Froslass is better, smeargle is better, hell, even vika is better. This mon is just not doing enough even with endeavor set since most teams run ghosts, and is honestly a giant noob trap and only really used on ladder.

B+ -> A- (possibly A)
Toxt falling off hard? Other electrics as a whole struggling? This mon now has its time to shine. Its faster than alot of scarfers, has a great stab typing, has a good signature move, and can pivot. I mean honestly what more do you want from this mon, and imo should be suspected.

C -> C+/B-
Ive been way to harsh on this mon previously. Its a great late game cleaner, and has alot of nice calcs

Calcs

252 Atk Reckless Emboar Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Florges: 309-364 (104 - 122.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Reckless Emboar Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fluffy Houndstone: 163-193 (46.8 - 55.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Emboar Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arcanine: 252-298 (78.5 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Emboar Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Floatzel: 306-360 (98.3 - 115.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Reckless Emboar Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Grimmsnarl: 319-376 (80.9 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Other than the calcs i hove nothing more to say about this mon, except that its a nice scarfer.

A -> B+
This mon is not good rn. Specs is fine, ig and setup is meh at best. Scarf is p much unviable and the mon is feeling really underwhelming and is just feeling like a ladder mon that doesnt have serious usage.


Alright thats all for now, love you PU and see you whn my next shitpost is up!