Not when they have a 50% chance of going off because they were confused.
Who says the SwagPlay user is the one setting up entry hazards?
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SwagPlay, evaluating potential bans (basic definition of "uncompetitive" in OP)
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No, you carry a poke that can relaibly switch into Status inducing moves or is resistant to Dark moves. Or, even better you carry something that can use a lum berry, take the status move, then OHKO back. I thought Lum Berry Garchomp was still pretty viable, or is everyone running ScarfChomp again?
I'd actually like to see how SwagPlay bodes without status in general. I'd do it but I don't really have time to go laddering.
Or how about running SwagPlay without Prankster? Run the exact same Pokemon with their usual sets but without Prankster. But you don't want to run Magician Klefki or Limber Liepard? I rest my case.
that would make no impact whatsoever. Thunder Wave is only accessory and was not main point this potential ban.
This is not a ban on parafusion. Keep that in mind.
IMO you should just ban the combo of swagger+foul play so you cant find weird ass loopholes if the prankster users of it have alternate abilities
And that's worse than Paralysis how? Confusion is manageable. Annoying yes, but so is your opponent playing a stall team and having every status move known to man.
Name a poke that can set up hazards on a Swagplay team thats not currently destroyed by extremely common OU pokes? In which case it comes down to predicting when your opponent would like to get hazards up and punishing them appropriately, like you would any other game.
You don't read do you?
I could careless I don't have a dog in the fight. Like I said I'd just like to see SwagPlay without any status moves.
The strategy is reliant on two major factors, the Atk boost and lack of attacking from Swagger and the Paralysis from Thunder Wave. Would just like to see half of the strategy in use.
The strategy is reliant on two major factors, the Atk boost and lack of attacking from Swagger and the Paralysis from Thunder Wave. Would just like to see half of the strategy in use.
blitzlefan
shake it off!
Please stop. Please stop posting. We don't need any more garbage in this thread. Thanks.
Sablee and Liepard get completely fucked over by toxic spikes (most swagg teams dont carry defog or rapid spin). Kleki doesn't mind the toxic but it can get fucked up by paralysis if you send a magic bouncer in the t-wave.
But nevermind that, people will still keep saying that there are no counter to this strategy.
Paralysis - Speed Drop. 25% Chance of Doing Nothing. Electric Type Immune to it. Ground Types Immune to the most common method of Inducing it
Confusion - 50% of not only failing to do something to your opponent, its 50% chance of doing damage to yourself. Pokemon Immune to it are extremely limiting/niche.
At this point you can't be serious.
No. Thunderwave makes this tactic go from gimmicky (like Baton pass teams) to downright dominating (apparently). Take out Thunderwave and the viablity of being able to switch once gain becomes a reliable option if you have a fairly well constructed team.
If you are using those without prankster you may as well use another pokemon. T-wave is common and swagger is a very common TM that many pokemon can learn. I'm sure there are plenty of pokemon with better total stats that could run such sets.
BTW, what I still don't get is what makes this Gen different. Murkrow, Thundurus, Liepard and sableye could all use that strategy since last gen. The only new user is klefki. If anything, then just ban klefki to ubers.
YOU MISSED THE POINT OF MY SAYING THAT. It's PRANKSTER that makes it broken, not parafusion. Why don't all of those other Pokemon without Prankster run parafusion? Because Prankster makes it viable, it's fine otherwise. Prankster makes it usable and broken.
+2 0 Atk Liepard Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Xatu: 320-380 (95.8 - 113.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
+2 0 Atk Liepard Foul Play vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Espeon: 318-374 (116.9 - 137.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
with 0 Atk IVs. This is my last post. I remember why I stopped posting in suspect threads, the ignorance is astounding.
EDIT;; made an oopsie since Xatu and Espeon don't get the +2 boost but they take a lot but I don't care to correct it because no one else cares about think about what they're saying anyways.
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Confusion: Goes away by just switching. Ends after some turns.
Paralysis: Stays forever. You need heal bell or rest to get rid of it.
I get what you mean but he has a point too.
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I am serious. Use a SwagPlay team without ThunderWave and see how much you much less viable it is.
I'll wait.
^this gen, steel types don't resist foul play, and the fairies that do typically have piss poor defense. However, iirc Liepard was OU for Pokemon Online at the end of Gen V, while Gastrodon was in NU or something
regardless, it was probably never used because perma-weather was a much better team archetype than "4 annoyers plus 2 win conditions". This gen, with weather nerfed and mega-pokemon getting banned one by one (mega pinsir or zard X is next) swagplay looks like the go-to for people who want an effective team without wasting time teambuilding
Paralysis helps a lot indeed. One ofthe reasons being that the turns your pokemon doesn't move due to paralysis don't count towards the turns that confusion takes to end by itself.
Thats true. On the other hand, the new fairy type resists dark, and we have a lot of powerfull priority users. I think CB Brave Bird from Talonflame OHKO Liepard, doesn't it?
Why? When the only counter to what I've said is "But what about the hazards?" like everyone doesn't already deal with stealth rocks in 90% of the matches they play.
Yes.
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Liepard: 370-436 (111.7 - 131.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
But in the interest of fariness:
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 81-96 (25.4 - 30.1%) -- 1.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
I have used both klefiki and liepard and know that prankster parafusion is easy to use and hard to beat
ban prankster+confusion move
ban prankster+confusion move
How much does Flare Blitz do?
To Klefki?
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 326-386 (102.5 - 121.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
But it's not going to get that Flare Blitz in easily.
By the way, does anyone know if Mold Breaker/Teravolt stops Prankster?
This is a partly SwagPlay team with Chomp as it's Killer and Deo-D to stack hazards.
I won in the end, despite being haxed out. A lot. By thunder wave.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-91431180
I won in the end, despite being haxed out. A lot. By thunder wave.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-91431180
IIRC, it doesn't as it does not interfere with your aattcks, only the speed.
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