Swanna

I think Rest is definitely a notable move, since this gets Hydration. I don't see why anyone would pick Roost over Rest, since Hydration is the only useful ability it gets to begin with.
 
Sajak said:
I think Rest is definitely a notable move, since this gets Hydration. I don't see why anyone would pick Roost over Rest, since Hydration is the only useful ability it gets to begin with.
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hydration wil need rain support and is difficult to obtain
 
Roost eliminates a rock weakness, gets a ice resistance and weakens electric attacks. In return, grass hits super effective on it, but why would someone use grass on it unless it's known to roost?

See Altaria.

Drizzletoad isn't out yet and therefore Rain is monstrously difficult to obtain with hippowdons and tyranitars running around.
 
SupremeDirt said:
Your point being...?
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An ability that is not relesed yet and will be difficult to obtain once it is released, that also will not support to work effectivly is not the ideal choice, since, at least in my specific set, it can work just as good without it.
 
LudwiG said:
An ability that is not relesed yet and will be difficult to obtain once it is released, that also will not support to work effectivly is not the ideal choice, since, at least in my specific set, it can work just as good without it.
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Getting shinys is also hard put people still SR 15,500 times to get ONE! AND if you play on a simulator it really doesn't matter.
 
Groshi said:
Roost eliminates a rock weakness, gets a ice resistance and weakens electric attacks. In return, grass hits super effective on it, but why would someone use grass on it unless it's known to roost?

See Altaria.

Drizzletoad isn't out yet and therefore Rain is monstrously difficult to obtain with hippowdons and tyranitars running around.
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For the turn you use it on, and if the opponent is slower (and if they are using an Electric attack, most won't be). You shouldn't be staying in on something that hits for for SE damage anyway with this thing's bulk (or rather lack there of).

Again, people still used Kingdra last gen in the Rain effectively, and both Hippowdon and T-Tar were very common last gen as well. Kingdra didn't seem to care, as it still made OU. Banned discussion or not, Swanna will not be in the same tier as T-Tar and Hippowdon anyway, making Rain support a lot easier to come by (regardless of Drizzletoad existing or not).

Rest > Roost when a Pokemon has Hydration.
 
ChaosAkita said:
I didn't know that hacking Pokemon was a legal issue now
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sinve the GTS and Dw isn't hacked yet, you would have to have an nds adapter plus or the rom to sav. If you are planning to sav, you most likely will get an R4 instead of nds adaper plus. This means that hacking pokémon most of the time indirectly mean breaking the law, as downloading the rom is not leagal in any country that I know of.
 
I'm seeing a possible set like this working in lower tiers:

Swanna @ Choice Scarf
Timid/Modest
6 Hp/ 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
-Surf
-Hurricane / Air Slash
-Ice Beam
-Hidden Power Ground
 
Ulysses said:
I'm seeing a possible set like this working in lower tiers:

Swanna @ Choice Scarf
Timid/Modest
6 Hp/ 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
-Surf
-Hurricane / Air Slash
-Ice Beam
-Hidden Power Ground
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Swana doesn't have the raw power to use a choice scarf.
 
I like the fact that it can learn brave bird, but the rest of it's physiccal movepool is barren... it looks like a decentish special sweeper, despite its absolutely horrendeous bulk... why couldn't they have just made Pelliper better?
 
To be honest, since Pelipper got Rain Dish I think it functions a lot better in the Rain. But no use comparing. I hope Swanna will be in the lower tiers as it does have a few respectable niches.

What does Hurricane and Windstorm do exactly?
 
Wynought said:
To be honest, since Pelipper got Rain Dish I think it functions a lot better in the Rain. But no use comparing. I hope Swanna will be in the lower tiers as it does have a few respectable niches.

What does Hurricane and Windstorm do exactly?
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same move, different name.
120 base, 70 acc. flying. special. 30% con hax. 100% acc in rain, ignores evasion boosts and accuracy drops in rain.
 
LudwiG said:
"Confirmed Wind Storm [M542] has its accuracy boosted to 100% in rain; its accuracy remains 70% in all other weather. The accuracy is Swift=like, bypassing accuracy drops and evasion boosts. (Mien, #2)"

quoted from research tread
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79340
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mien said:
Good question, to test this i made an Erufuun with +2 Accuracy(used Claw Sharpen twice) using Windstorm against a Blissey in permanent sunshine.
If it has 70 accuracy it should hit 116.2% of the time (never miss)
If it has 60 accuracy it should hit 99.6% of the time
If it has 50 accuracy it should hit 83.0% of the time

During my test Windstorm hit 44 out of 50 times or 88% hit rate.

I suppose this confirms that Windstorm indeed has 50% accuracy in Sun
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I think I just saw a Prevo-stone KOARUHIE, Swanna's prevo...

Could someone post some damage calcs of Swanna versus Evostone-Koaruhie to justify why i saw one?

It survived to Toxic...
 
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