Honestly, little to none. That was an old ranking from a while ago. I mean it still does hold a defensive pivot niche with volt switch, while having a good defensive typing, and can check the elite fires being zard, Salazzle, and ninetales pretty well.
It's really hard to truly "counter" since common SpDef walls that could potentially switch into Expanding Force like Snorlax can get overwhelmed by it with the littlest chip, but still having to be wary of Psyshock. Unless I'm overlooking some things, your best bet would be to try to pressure it with faster threats since its incredibly frail and the use of dark types, however they also fall to coverage in Dazzling Gleam.
The way I’ve been getting around it is with spdef scrafty paired with steelix. Indeedee will never really want to click expanding force with these 2 on a team. Yes, Indeedee does have coverage to hit them, but they do not outright ko them.
I think the main problem with this set is that it doesn’t actually trap Steelix (which very frequently runs Body Press). And vs the other listed Steels (and honestly also vs steelix) it performs worse than or the same as choice specs analytic Magneton.What do you guys think of this set for Magneton?
Bulky Trapper
Magneton @ Eviolite
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 132 HP / 252 SpA / 124 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Metal Sound
- Magnet Rise
Thunderbolt is your main STAB to deal with Duralodon and Copperajah, being able to 2HKO them
Magnet Rise lets you evade Earthquake from Copperajah and Steelix. Finally, Flash Cannon + Metal Sound is your best way to deal with Steelix252+ SpA Magneton Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Duraludon: 131-155 (46.6 - 55.1%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Magneton Thunderbolt vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Copperajah: 207-244 (50.7 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
The HP EVs allow Magnezone to survive 2 Draco Meteors from specs Duralodon after Spikes damage252+ SpA Magneton Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Steelix: 71-84 (20 - 23.7%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
This means: 1 Magnet Rise + 5 Flash Cannons + 1 Magnet Rise + 1 or 2 Flash Cannons = 8 to 9 turns to KO Steelix
But, with Metal Sound:
252+ SpA Magneton Flash Cannon vs. -2 252 HP / 240 SpD Steelix: 141-167 (39.8 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
1 Magnet Rise + 1 Metal Sound + 3 Flash Cannons = 5 turns to KO Steelix. So, unless you miss like, 2 Metal Sounds, this is a WAY faster way to deal with Steelix
Special Attack is maxed and the remaining EVs go to speed to get the best out Magneton after trapping steels (But you can lower the speed for certain benchmarks and increase the bulk). Eviolite is choose to increase Magneton's overall bulk.252 SpA Choice Specs Duraludon Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 132 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Magneton: 202-239 (73.7 - 87.2%) -- not a KO after 1 layer of Spikes
Oh, I never fought a Steelix with BP, and since it usually runs more EVs in special defense, I assume it wasn't common, my bad
Yeah, I'm aware of the power that Specs + Analytic brings, but I thought its Eviolite boosted bulk could be useful for steel trapping (Although a RestTalk set with Analytic may not be terrible...
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I think due to many tier-shifts and bans it isnt easy to have a sample team currently and with the upcoming tier-shifts (which might take place already 2morrow) there will be another huge thing going on in RU due to DLC, etc. I think once the metagame settles down it will be much easier to introduce new sample teams.
So I have only used it a bit, but it hasn't really disappointed me yet. I was always a fan of Lurantis, and even used it on some USUM RU teams as a water resist, so I was inclined to try it out again, especially since it got Leaf Blade. So far I've used an AV set to be somewhat of a special sponge with Super Power/Leaf Blade/Knock Off/Psycho Cut (for plume and Weezing), and it has been doing pretty decent. Honestly it destroys stall, since it can accumulate boosts easily, and outspeed the opponent. Its no tier defining mon, or a top tier pick (especially in a meta where Zard, Plume, Centi, Frosmoth, and Salazzle are all top picks) - but it is a fun mon to use, and mostly unexplored (I'm sure some Defog / Synthesis sets are also viable to a degree). I don't have any replays on me rn, but I'll try to get some to show
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It's RU right now purely because of this.
The abusers are so much harder to deal with - and even the setters too. With the sand the only Sand Rush abusers are Sandslash and Stoutland, which while solid enough abusers, just aren't as solid as stand alone mons. And the only setter is Baby Hippo, which isn't a good mon on it's own - unlike the other auto setters.
There wont be any for a long time, meta just changes too fast and stuff gets banned pretty easily.
Either one works since they both can set up Veil. Abomasnow has a little more versatility in the fact that it can run a physical or special set whereas Ice Cream only runs special. Not to mention Aboma's special movepool is better than Vanilluxe's.
