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mite b cool said:
How are any of these OP at all?
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They ban most weps just to be as standard as possible, only a few weps in the game can be considered OP (Tomis, Gru, FoS, Sandvich, Sandman, Mad Milk, WRANGLER

lol

Wrangler allows you to beat every overhealed class in a second.

Tomislav prevents the Heavy dying from ambushing, one of the last ways to kill the Heavy that hasn't been countered with another stupid unlock.

Sandvich turns your 450 HP Heavy into a 600 HP Heavy. There is literally no way to beat a 600 HP Heavy/Medic 2v2 without Snipers/Spies involved. Good Heavies don't go into long open places for Snipers to shoot them, and you can mod your decloak sound so you can hear Spies fifty miles away. Also, Tomislav is best spychecking weapon that isn't a flamethrower.

FoS lets you wade into the middle of combat, drop your Sandvich, and not give a fuck about anything while you point-blank Minigun everything to death.

Sandman is a free kill every couple of seconds.

Mad Milk allows you to take on a Heavy and win, 1v1, without any dodging involved.

Wrangler allows you to beat everything 1v1. Everything.
 
mad milk can't let you tank anything stronger than a flamethrower up close ;/

its real place in comp is giving the tankier classes a bigger health advantage for basically nothing, being a decisive factor in team combat. jarate does basically the same thing but requires a sniper.
 
^I enjoy the blatant implication that the Flamethrower does, in fact, deal terrible damage despite the fact that common sense dictates the shortest-range weapon in the game should probably be one of the strongest...
 
Yes, but Wrangler does make you far more vulnerable to Spies. A YER Spy can decloak and backstab you while you are Wrangling, then sap the turret and all of your other stuff while disguised as you. A non-YER Spy can stab you but not insta-blasted by your sentry, since it will be in Wrangler cooldown, allowing him to sap it. You lose either way. Other classes can also sneak up on you; it is a drawback to the Wrangler that you lose the sentry's foolproof field of vision.

That's why the Engineer needs some "skill." He has to stay aware of his surroundings while Wrangling. Yes, the weapon is still extremely overpowered, and good Engineers do overcome this weakness pretty effectively. But you can't just give a Wrangler to some noob and have him wreak havoc.
 
Anyone have a Physicians Procedure mask. I'll give you my Vintage Engineer Cap and maybe a metal or two
 
Res Ipsa Loquitur said:
Yes, but Wrangler does make you far more vulnerable to Spies. A YER Spy can decloak and backstab you while you are Wrangling, then sap the turret and all of your other stuff while disguised as you. A non-YER Spy can stab you but not insta-blasted by your sentry, since it will be in Wrangler cooldown, allowing him to sap it. You lose either way. Other classes can also sneak up on you; it is a drawback to the Wrangler that you lose the sentry's foolproof field of vision.

That's why the Engineer needs some "skill." He has to stay aware of his surroundings while Wrangling. Yes, the weapon is still extremely overpowered, and good Engineers do overcome this weakness pretty effectively. But you can't just give a Wrangler to some noob and have him wreak havoc.
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Good ol' "All Engineers have tunnel vision" argument, how I missed you. :heart:
 
Res Ipsa Loquitur said:
Yes, but Wrangler does make you far more vulnerable to Spies. A YER Spy can decloak and backstab you while you are Wrangling, then sap the turret and all of your other stuff while disguised as you. A non-YER Spy can stab you but not insta-blasted by your sentry, since it will be in Wrangler cooldown, allowing him to sap it. You lose either way. Other classes can also sneak up on you; it is a drawback to the Wrangler that you lose the sentry's foolproof field of vision.

That's why the Engineer needs some "skill." He has to stay aware of his surroundings while Wrangling. Yes, the weapon is still extremely overpowered, and good Engineers do overcome this weakness pretty effectively. But you can't just give a Wrangler to some noob and have him wreak havoc.
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the disadvantage for wrangler is the fact that the engineer is a moron

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By the way, spychecking with the Wrangler is faster than with the Shotgun. More DPS and reliable range.
 
Why are you putting words in my mouth? I did not say "competent engineers mysteriously suck for the purposes of this argument lol" You guys must never play on public servers because I backstab Wrangling Engineers All. The goddamn. Time. Maybe I'm just a mysterious epic Spy who knows all the tricks. Or maybe the Wrangler does take some quantum of skill.

For competitive play, yes, the Wrangler is obviously degenerate. Nothing in my post suggested otherwise.
 
I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I recognised that you saw the flaw in the argument. The simple fact is that the Engineers which get backstabbed while Wrangling either have a terrible team, are being 2v1ed (or worse), or they're just plain terrible.

There are no shortage of bad players, let me assure you.
 
Halloween update! Downloading now and having huge fluctuations in download speed. I like Viaduct so Eyaduct looks cool enough. Can't wait to see what the new boss acts and looks like... and if I can farm items in a server I create with no people on like the first few hours of last year's update. Time to bust out the Voodoo Juju, Chargin' Targe, and Horsecutter!

Yay, just downloaded.
 
Starting TF2 Friday in under ten minutes. We'll be doing Eyeaduct, for the most part, to celebrate the Halloween update.

Join us in the steam chat!
 
What time will that end? I have to go somewhere, but I kind of wanted to play with some smogoners.

My steam username is SuperThinkTank.
 
So new update for the eye came out....... and along with it lots of crashes for me. wtf x_x

Anyone else having this problem (specifically for mac players)
 
I have a mac and haven't been able to reliably play a game since yesterday. I'm certain Valve is aware of this. I suppose I'll just have to wait...
 
Okay, I was about to schedule TF2 Fridays for net week but realized that it will be 11/11/11. I know quite a few people will be busy that day (coughskyrimcough), and was wondering if you guys would still like to play then or not. We could alternatively set it up as a TF2 Thursday thing but I'd like your opinions on this.
 
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