team of a thousand EPIC FAILS

ikke

just thought of making a team based around swellow so here it comes:

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swellow@ toxic orb
jolly nature
252atk/252spe/4hp

brave bird
facade
pursuit/quick attack
u-turn

The heart of the team, the guts tactic is why I chose this little birdie.
the UU pokemon of the team aswell, witch I try to have on everyteam to surprise opononts.

not using choice band here
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starmie.png

starmie@leftovers
172hp/120spa/216spe
natural cure

timid nature
recover
rapid spin
thunder bolt
ice beam

spinner, 2/3 of my speed,
thunder bolt and ice beam for gyara and chomp, else I was kinda weak to them
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umbreon@leftovers
252hp/252sdef/4spe

calm/sassy/carefull nature
mean look
wish
baton pass
yawn

wish passer/sleep inducer I might go for toxic>yawn
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Gliscor@ leftovers
218hp/218def/72spe
impish nature
sand veil

aerial ace
earthquake
roost
stealthrock

physical wall, hera/breloom counter, speed EV's to outspeed jolly tyranitar and magnezone
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Infernape@life orb
100 Atk, 176 S.Atk, 232 Spe
hasty nature

grass knot
hidden power [ice]
close combat
flamethrower

mixed sweeper,and close combat/flame thrower hits alot for super effective
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Snorlax.bmp

snorlax@leftovers
204 HP, 52 Def, 252 S.Def
carefull nature
thick fat

rest
sleep talk
earthquake
crunch

special wall, crunch for gengar
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Need opinions
flame me to death if you like
 
You'll want flame-orb instead of toxic-orb. Flame orb does only burn damage and toxic orb does toxic damage. Burns side-effect is ignored.
 
I suggest SD Lucario instead of Slowbro. Also, Trappass Umbreon is awesome, but you really don't have any pokemon to take advantage of it. For instance, trap a choice user and switch to a counter, while setting up. Take it out for Cressalia or Blissey if you just need a special wall.
 
Vrolok said:
I suggest SD Lucario instead of Slowbro. Also, Trappass Umbreon is awesome, but you really don't have any pokemon to take advantage of it. For instance, trap a choice user and switch to a counter, while setting up. Take it out for Cressalia or Blissey if you just need a special wall.
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needed a special wall AND wish suporter,

I had snorlax>starmie first but I thought umbreon had enough defences/hp

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I said special lucario because someone on serebii mentioned I needed a faster sp. sweeper (since ape is mix)
 
this team really has no offensive capabilities or residual damage. I mean, swellow and infernape die instantly, and after that, you're left with walls. and there's no sandstorm stalling, or any residual damage. in fact, there are no status inducers on the whole team. so residual damage is out. then all your guys who hit hard die in two hits. you've ev'd infernape to kill blissey, but then you have no special attackers after that. The problem isn't what people are going to do to this team, its what this team is going to do to them: nothing.
 
Stathakis said:
this team really has no offensive capabilities or residual damage. I mean, swellow and infernape die instantly, and after that, you're left with walls. and there's no sandstorm stalling, or any residual damage. in fact, there are no status inducers on the whole team. so residual damage is out. then all your guys who hit hard die in two hits. you've ev'd infernape to kill blissey, but then you have no special attackers after that. The problem isn't what people are going to do to this team, its what this team is going to do to them: nothing.
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Like is said I wanted to replace slowbro,
then please post suggestions instead of just you need a sweeper
 
ikke said:
Like is said I wanted to replace slowbro,
then please post suggestions instead of just you need a sweeper
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Actually, he gave some great advice. You definatly need a wall breaker, perhaps Chain Chomp (not seen too often these days), as he fits your critrea. Although this gives you a massive Ice Weakness. So I suggest getting rid of Umbreon and Gliscor and replacing it with Skarmory and Blissey (Wish version, fits your critrea and does a much better job than Umbreon). I'd also ditch Puruit or U - Turn for Protect to get your burn on ASAP (With this fix you need Flame Orb).

So your team will look like this

Swellow
Starmie
Skarmory
Infernape
Blissey (Wish Bliss)
Garchomp (Chain Chomp)

I would probably replace Swellow as well as it gets walled by steels and is turned into set up fodder.
 
puggy said:
Actually, he gave some great advice. You definatly need a wall breaker, perhaps Chain Chomp (not seen too often these days), as he fits your critrea. Although this gives you a massive Ice Weakness. So I suggest getting rid of Umbreon and Gliscor and replacing it with Skarmory and Blissey (Wish version, fits your critrea and does a much better job than Umbreon). I'd also ditch Puruit or U - Turn for Protect to get your burn on ASAP (With this fix you need Flame Orb).

So your team will look like this

Swellow
Starmie
Skarmory
Infernape
Blissey (Wish Bliss)
Garchomp (Chain Chomp)

I would probably replace Swellow as well as it gets walled by steels and is turned into set up fodder.
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It's based around swellow.

with swellow I will be switching alot (so reset of the toxic rate) and toxic orb does less damage untill the 4th turn IIRC
So I will switch pursuit for protect

I like a slow wish passer so Umb will take the first hit letting swellow in without a hit.

Isn't ape a good enough wall breaker??
this 1HKO's blisey by ANY means

what was chain chomp exactly??
draco metoR???
 
I think I saw this team on Serebii.

Defenately switch Pursuit for Protect.

Also, for that Special Sweeper, go with Choise or Wise Alakazam.

Alakazam @ Wise Glasses or Choice Specs
Timid
Synchronize
252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
- Psychic
- Energy Ball
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball

I prefer the Wise Glasses, mainly because it sucks being locked into a move. Also, since most people will predict a Specs Kazam, you can pretend to be locked in, and throw out a different move when they bring in something to kill Kazam.
 
Light Yagami said:
I think I saw this team on Serebii.

Defenately switch Pursuit for Protect.

Also, for that Special Sweeper, go with Choise or Wise Alakazam.

Alakazam @ Wise Glasses or Choice Specs
Timid
Synchronize
252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
- Psychic
- Energy Ball
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball

I prefer the Wise Glasses, mainly because it sucks being locked into a move. Also, since most people will predict a Specs Kazam, you can pretend to be locked in, and throw out a different move when they bring in something to kill Kazam.
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yup I'm phantom1113 there,
Would gengar be better/
zam is kinda fragile IMO
 
it doesn't matter that infernape kills blissey, because who's going to take advantage of that? snorlax?

I said that swellow and infernape die instantly to residual damage, pretty much, and then you aren't left with a whole lot of stuff that can really do more than paltry damage. for instance, your whole team gets walled by cressy pretty much, except for snorlax, who's crunches might be a threat. cm cressy loads up on boosts and then slowly sweeps your team, because you have no super-powerful offensive threat.

now I'd like to move on to your "threat list.'

Tyranitar: actually, ddttar comes in on anybody other than ape, dd's happily, and sweeps this team afterwards

Gyarados: gyarados gets fixed by starmie, but how do you switch in? if you come in on dd, then your team gets raped, yet again

Infernape: the only things that can really deal with him are starmie and swellow, but swellow can't switch in on, well, anything other than grass knot, and starmie won't like repeated grass knots.

Azelf - this guy is covered fairly well by snorlax, but I'm not so sure if he can take a plotted hp fighting

Electivire - actually, this team is hugely gyaravire weak. the only thing that stops gyarados's sweep is starmie's thunderbolt, and electivire with a speed boost hits every member of this team for se, with gliscor being the only one that might not get immediately OHKO'd

Heracross - one of the few things you don't actually have a huge weakness to

Salamence - once again, if starmie switches in on a dd, you have trouble with this guy. ape can take out other versions pretty well for the revenge, i guess

Togekiss - actually, togekiss with his large special defense and your starmie's lack of power, this is kind of hard for you. np versions will give this team trouble

Gengar - snorlax does well against everything but lo and specs versions, which will 2hko you with focus blast

Garchomp - starmie does fine, i guess

Lucario - actually, sd luke with extremespeed eats this team for snack.

You know, I'd go on, but I'm really too lazy. you get the idea.

anyways, your threat list isn't the greatest at all.
 
Stathakis said:
it doesn't matter that infernape kills blissey, because who's going to take advantage of that? snorlax?

I said that swellow and infernape die instantly to residual damage, pretty much, and then you aren't left with a whole lot of stuff that can really do more than paltry damage. for instance, your whole team gets walled by cressy pretty much, except for snorlax, who's crunches might be a threat. cm cressy loads up on boosts and then slowly sweeps your team, because you have no super-powerful offensive threat.

now I'd like to move on to your "threat list.'

Tyranitar: actually, ddttar comes in on anybody other than ape, dd's happily, and sweeps this team afterwards

Gyarados: gyarados gets fixed by starmie, but how do you switch in? if you come in on dd, then your team gets raped, yet again

Infernape: the only things that can really deal with him are starmie and swellow, but swellow can't switch in on, well, anything other than grass knot, and starmie won't like repeated grass knots.

Azelf - this guy is covered fairly well by snorlax, but I'm not so sure if he can take a plotted hp fighting

Electivire - actually, this team is hugely gyaravire weak. the only thing that stops gyarados's sweep is starmie's thunderbolt, and electivire with a speed boost hits every member of this team for se, with gliscor being the only one that might not get immediately OHKO'd

Heracross - one of the few things you don't actually have a huge weakness to

Salamence - once again, if starmie switches in on a dd, you have trouble with this guy. ape can take out other versions pretty well for the revenge, i guess

Togekiss - actually, togekiss with his large special defense and your starmie's lack of power, this is kind of hard for you. np versions will give this team trouble

Gengar - snorlax does well against everything but lo and specs versions, which will 2hko you with focus blast

Garchomp - starmie does fine, i guess

Lucario - actually, sd luke with extremespeed eats this team for snack.

You know, I'd go on, but I'm really too lazy. you get the idea.

anyways, your threat list isn't the greatest at all.
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deleted it, I will remake it when the team seems better
SO i need you rarters :)
 
ikke said:
It's based around swellow.

with swellow I will be switching alot (so reset of the toxic rate) and toxic orb does less damage untill the 4th turn IIRC
So I will switch pursuit for protect

I like a slow wish passer so Umb will take the first hit letting swellow in without a hit.

Isn't ape a good enough wall breaker??
this 1HKO's blisey by ANY means

what was chain chomp exactly??
draco metoR???
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ChainChomp is a Garchomp set that focuses on Chomps lower SAtk in order to surprise kill it's usual switch-ins like Hippowdon, etc. I would actually prefer running only 92 Atk EVs to ensure the ohko on Bliss(standard Bold set with 148 HP, 252 Def). I'd also change the EV spread of Infernape to something like this 92 Atk, 232 Spd, 186 SAtk. 92 in atk guarantees a ohko on a standard Bliss using CC. 232 Spd hits 341(just barely outspeeding +natured base 105s, and more importantly neutral base 120s). 186 Satk gives you a nice rounded 290 in SAtk. I actually prefer to pump at least 3 more stat points in Satk to Starmie to guarantee you a ohko on most of the common sets used(unless you can actually set up SR on every battle I myself prefer to go with the most sure way just in case for w/e reason I fail to set up SR, you never know better to be prepared than sorry). Just so you know you're given EV spread also fails to ohko Bulky Gyara doing a maximum of 95% damage iirc so again SR is really important. Well that's just my opinion gl on your battles :D.
 
Eirei_Knight said:
ChainChomp is a Garchomp set that focuses on Chomps lower SAtk in order to surprise kill it's usual switch-ins like Hippowdon, etc. I would actually prefer running only 92 Atk EVs to ensure the ohko on Bliss(standard Bold set with 148 HP, 252 Def). I'd also change the EV spread of Infernape to something like this 92 Atk, 232 Spd, 186 SAtk. 92 in atk guarantees a ohko on a standard Bliss using CC. 232 Spd hits 341(just barely outspeeding +natured base 105s, and more importantly neutral base 120s). 186 Satk gives you a nice rounded 290 in SAtk. I actually prefer to pump at least 3 more stat points in Satk to Starmie to guarantee you a ohko on most of the common sets used(unless you can actually set up SR on every battle I myself prefer to go with the most sure way just in case for w/e reason I fail to set up SR, you never know better to be prepared than sorry). Just so you know you're given EV spread also fails to ohko Bulky Gyara doing a maximum of 95% damage iirc so again SR is really important. Well that's just my opinion gl on your battles :D.
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Did some calcs, ape does a minimum 100% on bliss now (148hp252def)

what spread? that of starmie? the 95%on gyara
 
Yup I know it does 100% but reducing it by 8 effort points still gives you a 100% ko on standard Bliss so I suggest you put those two points elsewhere.
 
Eirei_Knight said:
Yup I know it does 100% but reducing it by 8 effort points still gives you a 100% ko on standard Bliss so I suggest you put those two points elsewhere.
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Damage: 81.51% - 95.83%
this is standard starmie (120satk) to standard gyarados (212hp)

I need atleast 168 spA to get a maximum 1HKO on gyara,

Also someone on the serebii thread suggested to take out ape for magnezone,

If I did that, Wouldn't I be to vunerable to fighting alot :S
and increadible hera weak
 
Eirei_Knight said:
Well not really that Hera weak since Gliscor takes pretty much every single heracross like a man.
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oh right I forgot :S

and I think I need something psuedo-ape atleast since It counters alot of stuff (mostly the fighting attacks I need :S)

EDIT:
now tested out on shoddy,
thing I had slight trouble with:
cress (it was moonlight so I have beaten it with snorlax lol)
 
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