I feel like with access to Booster Energy, Flutter Mane may be too consistent of a revenge killer with such a high speed tier. It being able to go Modest and still comfortably obtain a speed boost to revenge kill basically anything makes it a bit more powerful than one soukd assume. I recommend removing 10 Speed points and placing them elsewhere.
Name: Flutter Mane
Type:
Abilities: Unchanged
Stats: 85 / 55 / 55/ 105 / 135 / 135
New Moves: Taunt, Roost
Removed Moves: Calm Mind
Justification: I think Flutter Mane typing is nice for the meta, but its biggest issue was both 1. Its ability to use Calm Mind to just bypass mons that would otherwise check it, and 2. its incredibly minmaxed stats. This attempt at nerfing Flutter Mane essentially keeps its role of fast fairy type while heavily reducing its firepower, as well as increasing its bulk to make it are more versatile mon like it is in VGC.
Should note that the best Palafin sets are Bulky Set up variants, so while the nerf def makes phazing a much bigger drawback, I still think a -10 in attack to its Hero form is needed.
Name: Palafin
Type: Water
Abilities: Zero to Hero
Stats: 90 / 65 / 67 / 63 / 57 / 90 || 90/155/92/116/82/90
New Moves: Agility
Removed Moves:
Justification: an overall all stats down will inhibit it, along with the fundamental change to zero to hero to encourage more stationary sets rather than banded wave crash jet punch
Now switches inbetween forms each time Palafin enters the field
Name: Iron Bundle
Type: Ice/Steel
Abilities: Quark Drive
Stats: 56 / 80 / 114 / 124 / 60 / 136
New Moves: Flash Cannon, Steel Beam, Steel Wing, Shift Gear, Rapid Spin, Light Screen, Reflect
Removed Moves: Hydro Pump, Flip Turn, Rain Dance, Water Pulse, Whirlpool,
Justification: Makes it unable to touch steel and fire types, but still has silly bundle shenanigans available. Rapid spin was added to give it something after losing its main stab, along with screens to make it a usable screener
Same thing here, I just think once you clock 130 Speed and above, it makes it extremely difficult to justify any form of set up / Scarfers or even certain weather sweepers, as a simple Booster Energy basically invalidates any other form of revenge kilking on Pokemon since they are as fast and powerful as they are. If you are THAT fast, imo you have to give up alot somewhere else and most subs haven't really done so. (Orangesodapop Gekokeso should look here as well, in case you want to explore other avenues to justify the very high speed ceiling that your subs would set, instead of speed nerfs)
Name: Iron Bundle
Type: Ice / Water
Stats: 56 / 124 / 114 / 80 / 60 / 136
Abilities: Quark Drive
New Moves: Liquidation
Removed Moves: None
Justification: Swapping IB to physical does a lot to fix it. Has to go mixed if it wants to run a (much weaker) Freeze-Dry, and the power drop from Hydro Pump to Liquidation is really significant - Ice Beam to Ice Spinner is less significant but still a hit too. Bulky Waters are a lot more able to check it now.
I believe Annihilape is too bulky in combination with Intimidate and Strength Sap. Please remove one of these options.
Name: Annihilape
Type:
Stats: 130 / 115 / 70 / 75 / 50 / 95 | 535
Abilities: Vital Spirit / Cursed Body / Intimidate
New Moves: Knock Off, Strength Sap
Rage Fist - +25 power for each time the user was hit, max 350 BP. Damages itself for HP equal to the BP of this move.
Removed Moves: Bulk Up
Justification: weird offensive pivot or wallbreaker
Not a veto so you don't have to change anything, just saying, you don't have to nerf the Pokémon into the dirt. If you truly believe that your sub won't be viable at all, I suggest doing some form of rework on it. (This is a free boost to edit this sub and this alone)
Name: Flutter Mane
Type: Ghost / Psychic
Abilities: Protosynthesis
Stats: 65 / 85 / 65 / 115 / 125 / 115
New Moves: +Psychic, Zen Headbutt
Removed Moves: Moonblast
Justification: No more Ghost/Fairy and no more minmaxed stats. Honestly, this might be kind of not good anymore because of the changed stats and worse type, but it's also Flutter Mane so it deserves it.
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Name: Darmanitan-Galar
Type:|
Stats: 105 / 140 / 55 / 30 / 55 / 95 (Base) | 105 / 55 / 65 / 120 / 65 / 130 (Zen)
Abilities: Gorilla Tactics* | HA: Zen Mode*
Gorilla Tactics - Same effects as in standard, but disables your item slot.
Zen Mode - Transforms at the start of the turn if it selects a special move.
New / Changed Moves: Tera Blast, Ice Spinner, Ice Shard, Lava Plume
Removed Moves: N/A
Justification: Gorilla Tactics gets a massive caveat to it's usage, essentially forgetting an item slot, which makes the idea that it can either stack Band boosts or run Scarf into a liability, and it will be perma weak to hazards too, keeping it in check. On the flip side, Zen Mode gives teams a past paced offensive breaker with a different alignment being faster and specially biased. 130 Speed is high but isn't something too much to handle, and 120 unboosted can revenge kill many threats but may feel left out as a strict wallbreaker, especially with slim picking coverage wise.
Name: Flutter Mane
Type:
Stats: 65 / 95 / 55 / 115 / 135 / 105
Abilities: Protosynthesis
New / Changed Moves: Bug Buzz, U-turn, Skitter Smack, Quiver Dance, First Impression, Rage Powder, Giga Drain, Leech Life, Bug Bite, Struggle Bug, Will-O-Wisp, Morning Sun
Removed Moves: Moonblast, Mystical Fire, Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Charm, Misty Terrain
Justification: I did it. I made a bug. Flutter Mane being a Bug type makes so much sense I had to implement it into the mon itself, and what's the best way to guarantee you're Bug type is viable? Grant it Quiver Dance! Now Flutter can be a cool set up sweeper held in check by it not really having that spectacular of a movepool. It can basically set up on any special attacker thiugh, which will prove quite useful of a trait to have. Its stat spread can also lead to some....colorful interactions with Booster Energy in Sun.
Name: Palafin-Zero | Palafin-Hero
Type: Water | Water / Fighting
Stats: 100 / 70 / 72 / 53 / 62 / 100 | 100 / 100 / 135 / 83 / 92 / 60
Abilities: Zero to Hero (Adds the fighting type as well as changing its stats.)
New Moves: Superpower
Removed Moves: Bulk Up, Close Combat
Justification: Vaporemons Crab reference. Made Palafin into less of a straight offensive pressence, now its more of a very serviceable tank, especially with the speed nerf. Great bulk and movepool might make it a common dynamax recipient, but its power has been decreased to the point that defensive answers are significantly easier to find.
Name: Iron Bundle
Type:
Stats: 56 / 92 / 114 / 116 / 64 / 128
Abilities: Quark Drive
New / Changed Moves: Surf, Defog, Haze, Destiny Bond, Fake Out
Removed Moves: Freeze-Dry, Hydro Pump
Justification: Without Freeze-Dry, Bundle can't hit Waters at all, without Hydro Pump it doesn't have a ludicrously powerful STAB move, and with slightly less Special Attack it won't hit as hard with the moves it does have. Also is very slightly slower, still being super fast, the 3rd fastest relevant mon behind Dragapult and Barraskewda, but now it's outsped by 70 Speed Scarfers. Defog gives it a nice bit of utility to go along with stuff like Encore and Taunt. Destiny Bond and Fake Out are just a couple interesting moves with very limited niches that Delibird learns that Bundle currently doesn't.
Name: Dracovish
Type: Water/Dragon
Abilities: Water Absorb / Regenerator (H: Sand Rush)
Stats: 90 / 90 / 100 / 70 / 80 / 75 (Unchanged)
New Moves: Ice Spinner, Tera Blast
Removed Moves: None
Justification: Looses the biggest problem in Strong Jaw for a slightly weak power output. Gets Regen so it can remain healthy while blasting off huge attacks.
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Name: Annihilape
Type:
Stats: 130 / 115 / 70 / 75 / 50 / 95 | 535
Abilities: Vital Spirit / Cursed Body / Iron Fist
New Moves: Knock Off, Strength Sap
Rage Fist - +25 power for each time the user was hit, max 350 BP. Damages itself for HP equal to the BP of this move.
Removed Moves: Bulk Up
Justification: weird offensive pivot or wallbreaker
Base doesn't seem like it will retain much viability now that its item gets disabled, but Zen does scare me a bit. Its hard to switch special walls into it cause it can just predict a switch and hit them with a superpower or earthquake on its base form, but considering how its walled by water types it can touch unless it teras, how its physical coverage might need some attack investment as well for mixed sets, as well as regular darm's horrendous defensive typing it should not be too outlandish to check. Looks cool, kinda wish it was physically bulky instead of specially bulky since its typing actually makes its a phenomenal anti-tusk spinblocker but it does have its nice traits. Of course the main appeal of it is Quiver Dance which should hopefully not be too overwhelming due to its stats and weak offensive typing. Already wrote about it in my sub post but I will add that its still a great bulky mon that should hopefully bring defensive stability to the tier, as well as being a decent Dynamax lategame cleaner. Nice revenge killer, retains the cooler aspects of Bundle while getting rid of anything that seems too overbearing, Tera shouldn't be an issue considering how its power output is also reduced. Still iffy about this one. Sure losing Strong Jaw makes this significantly easier to switch in, but Sand Rush Tera Water Vish still seems a bit concerning for my taste. I guess it will have a harder time dealing with Gigantamaxed mons at least. Strength Sap is weird but this thing can no longer setup and wreak havoc, it might still be a great Dynamax user but nothing too broken considering this hilariously kills itself using its signature move.
