Terrakion (Uber Analysis)

[Ditto]

I'll make all the changes within the next couple days

 

[Miutu]

[Set Comments]
<p>With Rock Polish and Swords Dance boosting Terrakion's already-impressive Speed and Attack, Terrakion can be a huge force to be reckoned with. Add Terrakion's great offensive coverage due to its STABs and you have the making of an extremely potent sweeper. Terrakion also resists the most commonly used form of priority in Ubers, ExtremeSpeed, so priority won't be as much of a problem for Terrakion as it is in OU. It is often recommended that Terrakion use Rock Polish before it sets up a Swords Dance, as commonly used Pokemon that outspeed it will easily be able to hit Terrakion with some form of super effective move, such as Mewtwo's Aura Sphere, Darkrai's Focus Blast, and Shaymin-S's Seed Flare. After a Rock Polish, Terrakion hits 692 and is able to outspeed virtually the entire tier, outside of Scarf Deoxys and the occasional Ninjask. With Swords Dance, Terrakion hits an astounding 714 Attack stat that will allow it to tear through any number of Pokemon with its fantastic offensive STAB combination.</p>

I think that Mewtwo´s Psystrike is a better example.

 

[Theorymon]

Since barry4ever is gone until September, I'll post his PM to me for him.

Pre Script: I tried sending it via VM by it was 13(1013) characters longer than what is permitted(1000). :/

Hi ! Like you told me, i tried out CB Terrakion on a tea and it performed well. Well enough to deserve more than a OO mention. I personally like it over CB Garchomp since its faster, has an arguably better STAB (lets admit it, nobody fears Dragon-type attacks in Ubers nowadays with Ferrothorn around) and near same Attack. Furthermore, CB Terrakion has an equally powerful STAB( Close Combat) as Garchomp's Outrage except it does not lock him into one move. CB Terrakion can also actually threaten Lugia with its powerful Stone Edge. Even Groudon takes above 40% from a Jolly Close Combat. Adamant has a chance to 2HKO without any residual damage. Therefore i believe CB Terrakion should definitely get a set. I tried it against shrang who said it was good. I personanally feel the two choice sets should be merged into one. I was thinking of posting this in the thread itself but i'd thought i'd just inform you and get the green signal from you first before creating a commotion in the thread. :)

I haven't had time to test it out myself sadly, but I trust his judgment here, especially since I remember several users agreeing with him. FYI make Choice Band its own set, the power boost is rather substantial and it plays differently!

 

[Fireburn]

Agreeing Choice Band should get its own set:

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Close Combat
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Quick Attack / X-Scissor
move 4: Earthquake / Sacred Sword
item: Choice Band
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

Close Combat and Stone Edge are really all you need - the rest is filler. X-Scissor is now the second slash since the only common Psychic-types are Mewtwo and Deoxys and they outspeed you now, so Quick Attack is an option to give you some okay priority to finish off weakened opponents. Earthquake is still an option for Metagross, Jirachi, and sometimes Zekrom, but Sacred Sword lets you check Bulk Up Dialga and stuff like that.

 

[trickroom]

I personally like it over CB Garchomp since its faster, has an arguably better STAB (lets admit it, nobody fears Dragon-type attacks in Ubers nowadays with Ferrothorn around) and near same Attack. Furthermore, CB Terrakion has an equally powerful STAB( Close Combat) as Garchomp's Outrage except it does not lock him into one move. CB Terrakion can also actually threaten Lugia with its powerful Stone Edge. Even Groudon takes above 40% from a Jolly Close Combat. Adamant has a chance to 2HKO without any residual damage. Therefore i believe CB Terrakion should definitely get a set.

Any examples what Terrakion outspeeds but Garchomp fails to, besides max Speed neutral nature Arceus which isn't significant at all, since Arceus either runs max speed or close to none. Terrakion's Close Combat also makes it extremely vulnerable to Giratina-O, Ghost Arceus and Giratina just owns you regardless. Garchomp runs over non Impish Groudon and Giratina while Terrakion loses. I doubt people don't fear Dragon attacks anymore since things like Dialga, Palkia, Zekrom, Reshiram, Rayquaza are all very common and they don't fear Steel-types at all LOL. CB Garchomp can sometimes win the fight against Lugia. Stone Edge can 2HKO while Outrage 2HKOes Jolly ones. It's not like Terrakion can come in on a Lugia's Reflect and come out on top, and Terrakion still loses to a faster Lugia.

CB Terrakion also gets it butt kicked by many Arceus formes, Steel, Normal, Fighting, Grass, Ghost and a few others. Scarf Terrakion can beat Normal and Steel Arceus but CB loses. I tried CB Terrakion anyway, did nothing but forced out a weakened Lugia against firecape.

 

[shrang]

Any examples what Terrakion outspeeds but Garchomp fails to, besides max Speed neutral nature Arceus which isn't significant at all, since Arceus either runs max speed or close to none. Terrakion's Close Combat also makes it extremely vulnerable to Giratina-O, Ghost Arceus and Giratina just owns you regardless. Garchomp runs over non Impish Groudon and Giratina while Terrakion loses. I doubt people don't fear Dragon attacks anymore since things like Dialga, Palkia, Zekrom, Reshiram, Rayquaza are all very common and they don't fear Steel-types at all LOL. CB Garchomp can sometimes win the fight against Lugia. Stone Edge can 2HKO while Outrage 2HKOes Jolly ones. It's not like Terrakion can come in on a Lugia's Reflect and come out on top, and Terrakion still loses to a faster Lugia.

CB Terrakion also gets it butt kicked by many Arceus formes, Steel, Normal, Fighting, Grass, Ghost and a few others. Scarf Terrakion can beat Normal and Steel Arceus but CB loses. I tried CB Terrakion anyway, did nothing but forced out a weakened Lugia against firecape.

1) About Speed, 108 is obviously still better than 102, no matter which way you look at it.
2) Terrakion's Close Combat makes it vulnerable to Giratina-O, Garchomp's Outrage makes it Spike fodder for Ferrothorn.
3) Actually CB Terrakion can deck the crap out of slower versions of Normal Arceus (lol Adamant ones) while Garchomp gets OHKOed by the thing. Scarf may be able to revenge kill more, but CB plays a completely different role.
4) Basically, most of the things you said can apply to CB Garchomp just the same. I love CB Chomp, but CB Terrakion definitely deserves its own set, IMO. It works just as well as it does in OU, look at team preview, make one good prediction according to that information and you can start spamming Close Combat on your next switch in. Pretty simple to use, really.

 

[Fireburn]

1) About Speed, 108 is obviously still better than 102, no matter which way you look at it.
2) Terrakion's Close Combat makes it vulnerable to Giratina-O, Garchomp's Outrage makes it Spike fodder for Ferrothorn.
3) Actually CB Terrakion can deck the crap out of slower versions of Normal Arceus (lol Adamant ones) while Garchomp gets OHKOed by the thing. Scarf may be able to revenge kill more, but CB plays a completely different role.
4) Basically, most of the things you said can apply to CB Garchomp just the same. I love CB Chomp, but CB Terrakion definitely deserves its own set, IMO. It works just as well as it does in OU, look at team preview, make one good prediction according to that information and you can start spamming Close Combat on your next switch in. Pretty simple to use, really.

Also wanted to point out that Giratina-O is 2HKOed by CB Stone Edge, so its not the safest switch. Also, most Extremekillers don't run max Speed Jolly iirc, so Terrakion can usually outspeed them. Paralysis support can help overcome the Arceus formes it doesn't like too.

I'd rather use CB Terrakion over CB Garchomp any day. It's not owned by Ferrothorn, checks some useful things, and its best move doesn't lock you in like Outrage.

 

[trickroom]

Those I saw ran max Speed. There is no reason not to run max Speed to at least Speed tie with other Arceus formes such as Ghost Arceus. If Extremekiller outspeeds Ghost or Steel Arceus, it will prevail. The extra bulk hardly matters when you are killing them easily.

I didn't say CB Garchomp rules though cause it is pretty rare now. barry gave a comparison to CB Garchomp with Terrakion so I just wanted to point out STAB Outrage does matter. It also OHKOes Palkia, Zekrom, Reshiram with CB Dragon Claw. Terrakion's Stone Edge OHKOes Reshiram too but it might miss. Terrakion is having a much harder time against Dragons in general. Garchomp outspeeds a lot of them and can OHKO all but Giratina. Ferrothorn has to beware of Earthquake and it's the same case where Giratina-O hates Stone Edge.

CB Garchomp can actually beat Ferrothorn with Earthquake since it will 2HKO it. It's pretty debatable about Terrakion being better than Garchomp. To be fair CB Terrakion is OHKOed by Groudon, Ghost Arceus(Focus Blast), Steel Arceus and Arceus's LO Earthquake.

 

[Oglemi]

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