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The Counter Game

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@eric the espeon
I already edited in that I was beaten... and countering your own poke looks like a feeble attempt at upping your postcount.
choop said:
A few ground rules that I think we can all agree on are that if two people post at the same time, we just ignore whichever post comes through second.
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to counter meta

Charizard@leftovers
Adamant
252 spd/ 252 atk/ 4 hp
~fire punch
~flamethrower
~earthquake
~slash

comes in, takes less then 50% from MM outspeeds and kills. if you agility, I just kill you after taking less then 50% from MM next turn

EDIT beaten again and okay, blank moves aren't filler moves
 
cornflake you are right, you are alowed a blank moveslot.

also skarm does not counter metegross, mm only does 17-20% but if i get a boost, explode will do 81-100% i can keep attacking you till i get a boost, as you cant do much to me.


and countering your own poke looks like a feeble attempt at upping your postcount.
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nah, i wanted to get this gross into the game so i made a poke it could beat.

if i explode on the switch the zard will die. not a counter.

this is still the thing to beat:

metagross@shucca berry
252attack/252 speed/4hp
adamant
metior mash
explode
agility
EQ
 
Exploding doesn't count imo, so skarm countered you. Like i said anyway, you can't count on getting the boost to kill a poke, and skarm will start to do some damage after a swords dance.
X-scissor does 15% normally, 27% after one SD, 42% after two SDs and 55% after three Sds.
I see the game as working like this, one poke has to survive, so explode nullifies this (as does self destruct, perish song, destiny bond, as they all require/kill both pokes(yes, explosion and self destruct don't always kill, but you know what I'm saying)
 
Exploding is fine, relying on a 10% boost is not.

@Skarmory

Ampharos @ Life Orb
Static
Brave
200 Attack, 200 SpAtk, 112 Hp
Substitute
Thunderbolt
Focus Punch
Hidden Power [Ice]
 
Neh, i still think exploding is cheap

anyway @ ampharos

Swampert at leftovers
Adamant
252 Hp/112 Atk/140 Def
~ice beam
~surf
~waterfall
~earthquake
 
Shiney said:
Exploding doesn't count imo, so skarm countered you. Like i said anyway, you can't count on getting the boost to kill a poke, and skarm will start to do some damage after an Sd with x scissor. not much gross has good defence, and a true counter must be able to win anyway, even with a boost. i would have a few turnas to wait for a boost the one he switches in on, he SD's and at least 2 attacks, also i am faster. and if he does not roost often explode will ko him.
I see the game as working like this, one poke has to survive, so explode nullifies this (as does self destruct, perish song, destiny bond, as they all require/kill both pokes(yes, explosion and self destruct don't always kill, but you know what I'm saying)
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yea i do but here is what the rulz say

Explosion and Selfdestruct are not methods of countering
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it sais nothing about Explosion and Selfdestruct not being methods of avoiding being countered

then it says this
for the purposes of this game, a "counter" is a Pokemon that can switch into a Pokemon, and, assuming neither Pokemon switches, that counter Pokemon will end up with at least 1 HP, and the other Pokemon will be fainted.
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so if i can beat skarm its not a counter.

Exploding is fine, relying on a 10% boost is not.
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yea if the counter had to rely on it, but the counteree must be fully counterd.
but if i have several turns to wait (i recon 4-5)then it is not a true counter.
 
Give up eric, Meta was countered.

+1 252 Atk Adamant Metagross Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Impish Skarmory: 78.44% - 92.51%.
Obviously, your reasoning is flawed because it is not backed up by fact.

@ Swampert:

Celebi @ Lefties
Sassy
252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 SAtk
Leaf Storm
Leech Seed
U -Turn
Sub
 
gross is not beaten yet read my post!

this is still to beat

metagross@shucca berry
252attack/252 speed/4hp
adamant
metior mash
explode
agility
EQ
 
okay, gross us uncounterable, the end. (that is sarcasm, just to let you know)
It got countered, give over.

anyway, @ celebi

Shaymin @ leftovers
modest
200 spatk/ 20 spd/ 232 hp/50 def
~Hp fire
~seed flare
~rest
~psychic

comes in on anything, takes less then 30% from leaf storm (less after sp atk drop) and maximum of 30% from uturn, so I can come in, rest when necessary and ko with hp fire after a while.
 
cornflake pk said:
Give up eric, Meta was countered.

+1 252 Atk Adamant Metagross Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Impish Skarmory: 78.44% - 92.51%.
Obviously, your reasoning is flawed because it is not backed up by fact.
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ok i did not add the nature, but if it gets a boost on any of the first 5 turns you will fall to explode.

you switch in take 17% if i get a boost now you die to explode

asuming no boost you take 17% and SD up if i get a boost now you die to explode

asuming no boost you hit me with a nutral unstabed no ev's x sissor not much damage OR heal up if you dont i can KO you even with no boosts explode you take 17% from MM

if you do not heal i kill you with expolde. asumeing you are not stupid i hit you with a MM for 17% you then hit me with a nutral unstabed no ev's x sissor.

i hit you with a MM for 17% you then hit me with a nutral unstabed no ev's x sissor.

then if none of those get me a boost you win. not a total counter. just look in the counters section of smogon it will have something.
 
You CAN'T rely on a fricking 10% boost. That's like saying I use Blissey with Ice Beam and say that nothing can counter me because they risk switching in on an Ice Beam and getting frozen. That's just stupid. MOVE ON.


@ Shaymin:

Charizard @ Life Orb
252 Atk 252 Speed
Timid
-Fire Blast
-HP Ice
-Air Slash
-Roost

Comes in on Seed Flare and HP Fire attacks, unboosted unSTAB Psychic isn't threatening, and threatens a KO with any attack. Can Roost off the damage from Life Orb and Psychic.
 
cornflake pk said:
You CAN'T rely on a fricking 10% boost. That's like saying I use Blissey with Ice Beam and say that nothing can counter me because they risk switching in on an Ice Beam and getting frozen. That's just stupid. MOVE ON.

by my calkulations i have a 41% chance of geting a boost in time. thats not fully countered.

a bliss w ice beam will (normaly) beat a cress wo ice beam (and stat upers) it has time to get the boost/frz.
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stop discussing and get a charizard counter...

@ Charizard
Floatzel @ Attack raising berry when in pinch
252 Atk/spd 6 HP
Aqua Jet
Surf
Ice Beam
HP: Fire
 
Righto eric, whatever...

@ charizard

Heatran @ lefties
modest
252 spatk/ 252 spd/4 hp
~dragon pulse
~overheat
~earthpower
~explosion

EDIT BEATEN

Takes minimal damage from your attacks, and can eventually KO with draogn pulse.
 
right noone can beat a gross. fine. i give up on this game if on one will listen to logic. just use a F sash haetran or something its not hard.
 
Focus sash is on the same level of cheapness as explosion. Besides, it isn't a proper counter in my book unless it survive an attack without the help of a focus sash, but thats me. On another note, your gross was already countered eric, so quit whining.
 
Shiney said:
Righto eric, whatever...

@ charizard

Heatran @ lefties
modest
252 spatk/ 252 spd/4 hp
~dragon pulse
~overheat
~earthpower
~explosion

EDIT BEATEN

Takes minimal damage from your attacks, and can eventually KO with draogn pulse.
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Quaqsire@Leftovers
Impish
Damp
Ev's 129 HP / 129 Atk / 252 SDef
Earthquake
Protect
Toxic
Rock Slide

Can comein on any and OHKO you With EQ.
 
To Quagsire:

Venusaur @ Leftovers
Bold@ 252/0/128/128/0/0
Energy Ball
Leech Seed
HP Fire
Sleep Powder

Venusaur can switch in on any of Quagsire's moves without any worries(he's immune to Toxic, and EQ is a 3KO at best), and either seed it to death, or simply Energy Ball it to hell.
 
Dark Android said:
To Quagsire:

Venusaur @ Leftovers
Bold@ 252/0/128/128/0/0
Energy Ball
Leech Seed
HP Fire
Sleep Powder

Venusaur can switch in on any of Quagsire's moves without any worries(he's immune to Toxic, and EQ is a 3KO at best), and either seed it to death, or simply Energy Ball it to hell.
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To Venusaur:

Celebi @ Leftovers

Calm 252 HP 252 Sp. Def 6 Satk
Psychic
Calm Mind
Substitute
Leech Seed

Comes in on Energy Ball, Leech Seed or HP Fire for little damage, sets up a sub or calm minds and OHKOs with STAB Psychic.
 
@Celebi

Celebi @ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Calm
252 Hp/252 SpDef/4 Hp
Calm Mind
Recover
Psychic
Hidden Power [Fire]

Remember people, if you switch in watch out for my Crit + SpDef lowering Psychic.
 
@ Celebi

Houndoom @ Life Orb
Timid: 4HP/ 252SA/ 252Spe
-Taunt
-Fire Blast
-Dark Pulse
-HP Grass

prevents you from using calm mind or recover, and I completely wal you, allowing for me to hit you with spuer efective attacks, even if it may take a few turns.
 
@ Houndoom

Hitmontop@ Leftovers
Careful Nature
Technician
252 HP 252 Atk 6 SpD
-Mach Punch
-Fake Out
-Stone Edge/Aerial Ace
-Triple Kick
 
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