Yes, and the turn you switch Wobb out, the opponent still can't switch. So you switch out Wobb, they stay there repeating CM or something while you switch in Garchomp. Next turn, Garchomp uses SD while they are forced to switch. Bam, free setup, and you can do it as many times as you want.
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Yes, and the turn you switch Wobb out, the opponent still can't switch. So you switch out Wobb, they stay there repeating CM or something while you switch in Garchomp. Next turn, Garchomp uses SD while they are forced to switch. Bam, free setup, and you can do it as many times as you want.
stupid poll. i want the person who voted the first option banned from smogon
So a pokemon that can have any moveset in the world and good stats (which means that you wont know what the hell can counter it) should be allowed in OU play?
And wobbuffet isnt so easy to counter when your choice banded garchomp is stuck using EQ against it.
this reminds me of bl/uu battles
just because these pokes are rarely seen in ubers, doesn't mean they should be ou
if you want to use them so badly, then use them in the higher tier where they aren't banned
you can't really use enti in ou, but that doesn't mean he should be uu
if you want to use your favorite pokes, you have to be willing to lose
just because these pokes are rarely seen in ubers, doesn't mean they should be ou
if you want to use them so badly, then use them in the higher tier where they aren't banned
you can't really use enti in ou, but that doesn't mean he should be uu
if you want to use your favorite pokes, you have to be willing to lose
Yeah, but if you're encored into a stat upping move, Substitute, or a attack that your opponent has an immunity to, they just get a free setup. An example was already given with Wobbuffet encoring TWave, and then Garchomp coming it. It gets a free Substitute and Swords Dance because the opponent is locked into something that can't harm it at all, meaning Garchomp gets a free setup the turn that they switch.
No. The opponent can switch the turn immediately after Wobby gets taken out of play. We're not in the ADV days anymore, that was changed.
Better question: do YOU know Wobbuffet? If you think it won't overcentralize the metagame then you obviously don't. Every Pokemon that can learn Taunt would have to carry it 100% of the time (thus severely limiting them against other stuff), and all walls would need Toxic. This just leaves a horrific wound in the metagame.
You mean, just like I already stated? By the time you can switch, Garchomp is already in and swords dancing away. Free setup, no cost. Please read again.
Honestly, you do not know what you're talking about, and go with the band-wagon. Wobbuffet has suffered immensely from the changes in d/p, it has nothing to do with the Uber tested back in the ADV days. And I know Wobbuffet inside out, yes. I'm not saying he should be moved, I just put him up for consideration.
No cost? Do you realize that to encore, you need to take a hit? Do you realize how many things can 2ko wobba nowadays? T_T
Not to start everyone to flame at me, but....wouldn't the move Taunt just rape poor old Wobbufett? Or did you guys went over this already?
Then again he would immediatly switch out, and you're still stuck in play against something that could counter you're taunter. And then you will be forced to switch out while your foe either: gets in a free attack on your new poke or gets to set up. Both of which can be game breaking. So yeah, he really does have no counter. Unless you OHKO him somehow. Using magic. ;p
A lot of sweepers in OU rely on choice items.. Introducing wobbuffet would force every team to lose items that are crucial to their teams success. Of course then every sweeper would need life orb, but with spikes/t-spikes/SR/Sandstorm every team would then need a healer or a spinner so that their sweepers dont die after a turn of use.
Unless, of course, you encore a stat-upping move or a status move, as has been suggested quite a few times in this thread all ready.
To put it one way, unless the pokemon Wobb traps has Taunt/U-Turn/Baton Pass you can get pretty screwed unless you manage to outpredict the Wobb multiple times. It'll kill something or Encore a non-damage move and allow something dangerous to setup. The options to deal with it are just too limited (3 moves unless I've missed something, that isn't very good).
Hmmmm I really have hated seeing Deoxys Speed in Shoddy battles, mainly because my whole team was set up on magic speed numbers and that totally fraks most of my spreads (modest scarfgar). However, I would like to see Mew in the standard metagame, stats-wise it's good, but not over the top good. I'd like to use it to baton pass, calm mind + taunt + baton pass + psychic would rule.
QFT
although, technically, shed shell can escape it, but nobody uses it except on steel pogeys, and thats only one time use.
Have any of you watched the Wobbufett video?
Oh, and if Wobbuffet gets 2HKO'd, it can't Mirror Coat/Counter.
Oh, and if Wobbuffet gets 2HKO'd, it can't Mirror Coat/Counter.
The fact that alot can 2ko it right now is relevant, since you will never be switching anything into Wobby, so its either him who does the switching in (thus taking a hit and being susceptible to a 2KO) or your opponent who has to sacrifice a poke to get him in unscathed (much like duggy).
If that is the case, you will presumably switch to a counter of the current pokemon your opponent has in play, or anything able to set up on its own. Take Garchomp switching in on encored Blissey t-wave, a common example. You would likely sub or swords dance the next turn - while I switch to Donphan. And thats that.
Except for the fact that no smart wobba user would bring it in on a move that will 2hko it.
If you want to play what if games, what if I switch to something like Infernape, which completely destroys the rest of your team? Hypothetical games can go either way.
truly? So much for the argument of Wobba countering all choice item users, then, I guess.
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