The Dream Team (Undefeated)

HECTORtu

Why helo thar you wonderful member of the forums. If you opened this thread it is most likely because you wanted to:
1. Rate my Team and help me perfect it
2. Just criticize how in the world is this team undefeated or..
3. Steal the team, but fail with it and then say it sucks ^_^

I prefer option 1 ^_^. Anyways, I made this team today and it has had huge success, just demolishing my opponnet, which is always a good sign. Now most of you are thinking, well there is no "Dream Team" in pokemon because well, no team is perfect and can lose to another team that counters it pretty well. But this is not why this team is called, the Dream Team, its called the Dream Team because I literally saw it in a dream lol, I swear to God. I woke up, and I went like, wow these guys would really go well together, so off I went. Enough of this small talk, onto the team:


Team at a Glance:

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Team In Depth


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Heatran (Farmer) @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Stealth Rock
- Earth Power
- Explosion
- Flamethrower

LeadTran is probably one of the best leads I've ever used being able to deceive the opponnet into thinking I'm carrying a Scarf. His job basically is to lay down Rocks, and if possible get a few kills with his deceiving item. He always seems to get the job done and has never failed me in what I want him to do. He can also net a kill with Explosion if needed.

My Heatran has earned the name Farmer (member of TU) because Farmy's temper is almost as high as the temperature of Heatran's flames.

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Breloom (Itachi owns 109) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 44 HP/252 Atk/212 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Leech Seed
- Spore
- Substitute

The pic is called "The world's most dangerous mushroom", and it fits perfectly what Breloom is. Breloom just looks to switch in with its pretty great amount of resistances and just do what it does best. I never sleep first turn, normally I just SubSeed until I see something I really want to get to sleep.

My Breloom has received the name Itachi owns 109 because he's gay like Itachi ^_^.

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Gyarados (Demigod) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP/236 Def/20 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Waterfall

What hasn't Gyarados done for me besides surviving a pure special Thunder attack? Pretty much everything, he's my initial switch-in on pretty much every physical threat in the game. He's also my status absorber. I prefer running Dragon Dance over Avalanche just because I feel Avalanche is only useful for Salamence while Dragon Dance has helped me in tight situations in previous teams, having the ability to sweep.

My gyarados has earned the name Demigod because he dances in his sleep just for me :). (The monster in the picture is dancing just in case lol)


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Jolteon (rmega) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Baton Pass

If you're wondering about the pic, well the cat is supposed to be like static lol. Anyways, yes, I got the SpecsJolt + RTGyara from RL, so gloat all you want =P. Anyways not much to say about him but he tends to surprise my opponnets a lot with all the damage it causes. Basically if my opponnet doesn't have a Blissey in play, this guy can have a party.

Jolteon has earned the name rmega because rmega is a sexy nignog.

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Scizor (Stone) @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP/76 Atk/4 Spd/176 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Brick Break
- Swords Dance
- Roost

So Scizor is now on every single one of my teams, just because of Bullet Punch, but its amazing what it has done for him. The spread was taken from Legacy Raider's and I must say, I'm fascinated with it because it has the ability to set up on an amazing amount of pokemon while having the bulk to take some hits when I need it to and recovering with Roost.

MY Scizor has earned the name Stone because... well I really don't know why but I love Stone <3.


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Celebi (ZMT) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/36 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Recover
- Thunder Wave
- Perish Song

The guy that holds the team together...and counters Gyara really well :). I bring him in when the Rocks are up and I know Gyara can't be handling every threat out there. He's also very useful for all those pokemon that like to set up, stopping them with Perish Song.

My Celebi has earned the name ZMT because they're both bisexual :O (credits to darkie for picture).

So please rate away, I'm not afraid of your comments biatches.
 
This team is very good and I must say I absolutely love it.

For starters, the Gyarados-SpecsJolt combo is fucking amazing, and you will see it when I post my most recent RMT very soon, good job!

Also, Legacy Raider's spread for Scizor is just the uber trapper spread, but it does work very well with Swords Dance Scizor all the same!

I don't see any gaping weaknesses although I do say you are a bit Salamence weak. I see the Mixed Bomber being quite deadly to this team (by that I refer to Draco Meteor / Outrage / Earthquake / Flamethrower with the heavy speed investment) and the DDer looks awful. It can set up on Gyarados quite easily so you do need another Salamence check as Scizor may not be able to cut it all the time, especially if its weakened.
 
RaikouLover said:
This team is very good and I must say I absolutely love it.

For starters, the Gyarados-SpecsJolt combo is fucking amazing, and you will see it when I post my most recent RMT very soon, good job!

Also, Legacy Raider's spread for Scizor is just the uber trapper spread, but it does work very well with Swords Dance Scizor all the same!

I don't see any gaping weaknesses although I do say you are a bit Salamence weak. I see the Mixed Bomber being quite deadly to this team (by that I refer to Draco Meteor / Outrage / Earthquake / Flamethrower with the heavy speed investment) and the DDer looks awful. It can set up on Gyarados quite easily so you do need another Salamence check as Scizor may not be able to cut it all the time, especially if its weakened.
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Ehh yeah, forgot to post that I'm pretty Salamence weak so I'm really looking on suggestions for that, and glad you like the team ^_^.
 
Thing about that Komodo is that Jolteon can handle Salamence with Thudnerbolt after SR Damage, which is why I don't need HP Ice, but the Mence variant I'm most afraid of is the DD one which outspeeds Jolteon after just 1 boost. Hmmmm... seeing as I have Celebi for Pert, I might as well change it to HP Ice.
 
Yeah, any Choice Specs Electric pokemon is better with Grass over Ice, since Thunderbolt rapes Mence and 2HKOs the slower Dragonite.
 
Since Gyarados cant really get much more defensive. Maybe give Gyarados stone edge, or ice fang over Dragon Dance?

That could possibly be a Salamence check..

Or maybe give Celebi Heal Bell in place of something and have Gyarados moveset:
Stone Edge/Ice Fang, Waterfall, Dragon Dance, Rest. Not sure if Gyarados can take a draco meteor after coming in on stealth rocks. Maybe make him more of a special defensive varient. I dont think you need all that defense especially since you have 252 in hp, and intimidate.

If that stuff doesnt work. Maybe Light Screen/Reflect somewheres....
 
Impish Gyarados makes a fantastic wall that is why you need all the defense. With all that defense, you can switch in on Heracross easily, and Lucario as it Swords Dances, as its Extremespeed, CC, Ice Punch, and Crunch are all 3HKOs with Stealth Rock. With Scizor, you can actually switch in on Swords Dance, Dragon Dance up once as he Swords Dances again, then win because a +3 Bullet Punch is again... a 3HKO.
 
lol thank you RL for answering him xD. And MixNite is a first, but yea you're right lol. I'm thinking about Avalanche, but I just think too highly of DD on Gyarados.
 
Hey there

I really really like your team. I know from experience how kickass the ResTalk Gyarados + SpecsJolt + Steel type combo is, and you get extra brownie points for using that Scizor set =P. There are only two things that I think might be a bit of a problem on your team. The first one is, like already mentioned, your rather significant Salamence weak. If you remember our battle, it all came down to that Salamence sweep at the end, and I think you can do with some more insurance against it. The second thing that could be a problem is your big Fire weak - celebi, breloom and scizor are all OHKOed by most Fire attacks, and Jolteon doesn't really fare much better. I see how you are trying to fix up that weak with Heatran and Gyarados, but once again, remember in our battle how I was ready to sweep your team with Fire Blast.

What I would suggest is replacing Celebi with a Vaporeon. This will solve both the aforementioned problems. I don't really see the need for having Celebi on this team, as Gyarados deals with pretty much any Fighting type you are likely to face. Since Jolteon outspeeds +1 Adamant Gyarados and KOs with Thunderbolt, I think you should run Ice Beam > HP Electric on Vaporeon. It will also be another way to draw Electric attacks towards Jolteon for free switch ins, as well as keeping your core pokemon alive with Wish. Imagine - you use Wish on the switch as they switch in a Zapdos, switch to your beleaguered Jolteon at 25% health and bring it back up to full health with the Wish and Volt Absorb =P. Vaporeon survives a +1 Outrage, and gives you much more insurance against Heatran.

Just my thoughts. Like I said, your team is excellent. ...STEALS!!!

Hope I helped.

LR.
 
Hmm I like the Vaporeon suggestion so I will consider it for testing. The main reason as to why I have Celebi, is Swampert and the amazing usefulness of Perish Song, but yeah I'll give Vappy a go. Thanks for the rate ^_^
 
A pretty solid team!
One thing that annoys me is that every single team that people think is solid usually have Scizor, Heatran or Zapdos or other common crap. It's so annoying.
Love the hilarious pics. I would love shoddy if you can do your own picture and replace the sprite of your team.
 
Pretty solid team. Don't see any weaknesses outside of Salamence, but it looks like Celebi has that covered. Nice team =p.
 
One of the few teams I'd actually consider good. GJ on it. I can't wait till I get a chance to face it and ruin your undefeated record =P

Aside from the already mentioned DD Mence weakness, I'd say watch out for DD Kingdra as well. Also, I can see Rotoms also giving you problems.
 
RetroBlast said:
Baton Pass On Specs Jolt...why? =l
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It's called pure BPing. It's used to scout like U-Turn, and is mainly there cause Jolt doesn't have many attacks to choose from. I dunno how often you use pure BPing hecci, but you might want to consider Wish over that, for last resort healing if Jolt can only manage to get a harmeless move out before it dies.
 
I've already faced a team with a very similar core of your team; I think it had one poke changed. But anyways, I agree with Philip, if you're not using BP that much then switch to Wish or maybe even Yawn to mess with your opponents head.
 
Heh, the first thing I noticed was the huge ddmence weak. Especially one with lum berry could really fuck up this team. If you do decide to go with vaporeon, you pretty much need hp electric though, running 3 attacks, otherwise this team becomes very weak to the offensive taunt gyarados.

An alternative to solving the ddmence problem is to just slap a CB on scizor and max attack, as that would work pretty effectively.

If you decide to keep celebi, have you considered hp fire over perish song? It gives you a back up fire attack if heatran explodes early, so that fort and skarm and scizor can't set up on your celebi.
 
Usually, as a rule, lead Heatrans aren't scarfed, so you're not fooling anybody save the occasional rook, but whatever.

Go with LR's suggestion and run Ice Beam on Vap - Gyara will run anyway. Doing so gives you a little freedom on your other pokes so thnk about HP Fire on Celebi because Scizor and other Steels that aren't Heatran will just love switching in on an OHKO.

Good team, but it's a shame that it came out of a TU member - I was certain clans were all rooks but you prved me wrong. =)
 
Alright thanks for the suggestions guys!

About Baton Pass on Jolteon, I probably use it once evry 3 matches so I'll consider Wish. I won't consider Yawn because I prfer that Breloom puts things to sleep than Jolteon and get that free sub.

I'm going to try all three suggestions you guys have given me: Vaporeon, CBScizor and HP Fire Celebi and see how it goes. In the past matches, I've had the priviledge to face a DDMence twice, in both cases I went to Celebi for Paralysis, and switched to Scizor because opponnet was locked into Outrage, so it basically didn't do much, but yeah its sstil a threat.

Thanks for suggestions, I'll gladly accept more.
 
Thorns said:
Good team, but it's a shame that it came out of a TU member - I was certain clans were all rooks but you prved me wrong. =)
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Most of us better TU members are more known or respected as battlers.

Ex: Arin, Hector, Darkrai, Me, Rmega, etc etc.

It's a shame you have no clue whose good and bad.

As for the team, HEC it looks as if you might have a DDTar weakness, especially if Breloom sleeps a poke. If Breloom sleeps something, then 1-2 DD's and T-Tar can OHKO just about everything you have.
 
HECTORtu said:
Why helo thar you wonderful member of the forums. If you opened this thread it is most likely because you wanted to:
1. Rate my Team and help me perfect it
2. Just criticize how in the world is this team undefeated or..
3. Steal the team, but fail with it and then say it sucks ^_^

I prefer option 1 ^_^. Anyways, I made this team today and it has had huge success, just demolishing my opponnet, which is always a good sign. Now most of you are thinking, well there is no "Dream Team" in pokemon because well, no team is perfect and can lose to another team that counters it pretty well. But this is not why this team is called, the Dream Team, its called the Dream Team because I literally saw it in a dream lol, I swear to God. I woke up, and I went like, wow these guys would really go well together, so off I went. Enough of this small talk, onto the team:


Team at a Glance:

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dpmfa286.png
dpmfa130.png
dpmfa135.png
dpmfa212.png
dpmfa251.png



Team In Depth


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Heatran (Farmer) @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Stealth Rock
- Earth Power
- Explosion
- Flamethrower

LeadTran is probably one of the best leads I've ever used being able to deceive the opponnet into thinking I'm carrying a Scarf. His job basically is to lay down Rocks, and if possible get a few kills with his deceiving item. He always seems to get the job done and has never failed me in what I want him to do. He can also net a kill with Explosion if needed.

My Heatran has earned the name Farmer (member of TU) because Farmy's temper is almost as high as the temperature of Heatran's flames.

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Breloom (Itachi owns 109) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 44 HP/252 Atk/212 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Spore
- Substitute

I used to use Leech Seed but I always found Seed Bomb more useful. Perhaps it's because you become fodder to so many different things switching in if you don't have it. This also deals with the DDTar weak.

The pic is called "The world's most dangerous mushroom", and it fits perfectly what Breloom is. Breloom just looks to switch in with its pretty great amount of resistances and just do what it does best. I never sleep first turn, normally I just SubSeed until I see something I really want to get to sleep.

My Breloom has received the name Itachi owns 109 because he's gay like Itachi ^_^.

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Gyarados (Demigod) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP/236 Def/20 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Waterfall

What hasn't Gyarados done for me besides surviving a pure special Thunder attack? Pretty much everything, he's my initial switch-in on pretty much every physical threat in the game. He's also my status absorber. I prefer running Dragon Dance over Avalanche just because I feel Avalanche is only useful for Salamence while Dragon Dance has helped me in tight situations in previous teams, having the ability to sweep.

My gyarados has earned the name Demigod because he dances in his sleep just for me :). (The monster in the picture is dancing just in case lol)


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Jolteon (rmega) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Baton Pass

Ice is preferrable. As soon as they know your running Grass you will be switched in on By Gliscor, Mence and DNite because they think they can survive it. If you run Ice then you have an answer to all these problems, which are all far more common than things like Pert, Cune and Vappy, and any bulky water besides pert will take more damage from TBolt anyway. You have Celebi and Breloom for those anyway (more Celebi though).

If you're wondering about the pic, well the cat is supposed to be like static lol. Anyways, yes, I got the SpecsJolt + RTGyara from RL, so gloat all you want =P. Anyways not much to say about him but he tends to surprise my opponnets a lot with all the damage it causes. Basically if my opponnet doesn't have a Blissey in play, this guy can have a party.

Jolteon has earned the name rmega because rmega is a sexy nignog.

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Scizor (Stone) @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
EVs: 192 HP / 244 Atk / 64 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Brick Break
- Swords Dance
- X-Scizor

A sweeper set is preferrable to a Bulky one, for bulky damage dealers you have Gyara, Tran and possibly Breloom, but she's not as bulky. If you go for the flat out sweeper set and ignore the Bulk and Roost, you will find yourself doing much more damage and not ending up like a phailed stall team. Plus, this way you aren't walled by Cressy so badly, but she will be a problem without X-Scizor.

So Scizor is now on every single one of my teams, just because of Bullet Punch, but its amazing what it has done for him. The spread was taken from Legacy Raider's and I must say, I'm fascinated with it because it has the ability to set up on an amazing amount of pokemon while having the bulk to take some hits when I need it to and recovering with Roost.

MY Scizor has earned the name Stone because... well I really don't know why but I love Stone <3.


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Celebi (ZMT) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/36 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Recover
- Thunder Wave
- Perish Song

I don't see what perish song is doing that has some kind of usefulness Perish Song has. Yeah it forces switches, but by the time you switch in and ste up perish song he will have had 2 turns to set up already, and as most set ups possibly only take one turn, they will still wreak some havoc in the limited period they get. And seeing as how you have a counter or a wall for almost every common threat, you can just switch out anyway. Leech Seed or another special move would be better here. Charge Beam to kill Gyara quicker and Up your SpA might be appropriate, but I dunno I am inexperienced with Celebi.

The guy that holds the team together...and counters Gyara really well :). I bring him in when the Rocks are up and I know Gyara can't be handling every threat out there. He's also very useful for all those pokemon that like to set up, stopping them with Perish Song.

My Celebi has earned the name ZMT because they're both bisexual :O (credits to darkie for picture).

So please rate away, I'm not afraid of your comments biatches.
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A very solid team with no major weaks besides small problems with DDTar and Suicune. There are a few minor changes that I think appropriate, but otherwise, very good.

Becuase of the way that the metagame works now, most pokemon don't have 100% counters anyway, but there are still a few and you o have checks for most pokemon, so I like it. The only exception (mentioned above) is DDTar, and considering that he is one of the pokemon that has no solid 100% counters, he will cause problemos for your team. The way to sort this is a change that I have made above. Breloom should have Seed Bomb, making it the number one check for him there is. She was previously the number one counter, but with the addition of Fire Punch and the new variant of the Boah (Anti-Lead-Tar, always runs Flamethrower/Fire Blast and Ice Beam), he can cause problems as once he has killed your lead he will try to sweep a bit too.

Without this, Suicune will cause problems for your team aswell, with the newfound popularity of the CM sweeping set. you can kill it a bit with Seed Bomb, but after a CM or two, Celebi and Jolteon won't be able to touch him either, and he could potentially O/2HKO your Scizor while he sets up. If he has a bulky EV spread then he will cause major problems too.
 
ALright I will be changing HP Grass for Ice because I basically have Pert handled. I liek Leech Seed on Breloom because its makes it jsut that more annoying that it was. I like the idea of me subbing at the cost of no health at all (when seed is up) and my opponnet is losing 12% each turn untl they're in KO range. Leech Seed also has helped with Gyarados, Dusknoir, Rotoms, etc.

For Cune, I usually go to Celebi for the PErish Song (hence why I use it), and if I don't have Celebi, Jolteon deals 80% to it without a CM, so I pretty much have it checked. As for DDTar, I don't see what the big deal is honestly, seeing as I have a Scizor with Bullet Punch which will survive a +1 Stone Edge and 2HKO with Bullet Punch, I also have Jolteon for the revenge kill just in case. Stone Edge is a 2hko because most DDtars are running Max speed anyway.

And as for making Scizor more offensive, well I'm kinda against that idea because he can just get a +6 with ease with the spread I'm using, one I like setting up a lot on is Hippowdon, opponnet never knew what hit them.
 
If you take leech seed on Breloom then you are completely walled by any ghost type. How many people can say that they've been walled by Gengar or Froslass xD (just examples)? If you have another typed move you don't get slaughtered by these, and the Poison Heal is useful enogh, that still gets you a sub every two turns, and if you sleep something they will switch anyway, so you will have atleast the first sub without penalty.

and if you go to Celebi, Cune will CM. Then he proceeds to Ice Beam you which does 204 - 240 (50.50% - 59.41%), thats a 2HKO almost guaranteed. Whereas Grass Knot does 128 - 152 (31.68% - 37.62%), with Cune having 1 CM. You won't even 3HKO. Breloom on the other hand, whilst he CMs, does 170 - 204 (49.71% - 59.65%) to the offensive Suicune, and also has the possibility of sleeping him or Subbing and FPunching, which hits even harder.

Face it, the offensive suicune reaps your team. and teh closest way of dealing with it without risking switching and giving it a free CM is giving your Breloom Seed Bomb. although if you have to switch, go to Jolteon, as he will 2HKO with Thunderbolt, even after a CM, if what yoru saying is true.
 
Well I'd know if its offensive or not by looking if it has Lefties or an unknown item. If it doesn't have Leftovers, I automatically go to Jolteon. If it does, I go to Celebi. And BReloom is slower than an offensive Cune so I don't see the point honestly. Jolteon handles Offensive cune perfectly and mostly my opponnet switches Cune in on Tran in first turn to counter it, I explode then go to Jolteon. Honestly Suicune is the least of my worries. And I think Leech Seed is just to valuable to replace with Seed Bomb when I already have a Celebi.
 
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