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The Everything NHL Thread
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I had no idea that you got goals for goonings!! Fuckin minnesota is all about the intimidation and actually hasn't got the best in goaltending or scoring touch. I have no idea about their defense though.
I think that you're right though, the NW will definately have more to offer for playoffs than any of the other divisions come playoff race time.
the NW is the most competative (barring maybe the NE) and because they keep stealing points from each other in that divisional battle they don't get all the free points that teams like detroit get from their rather sour divisions.
it's not a myth, it's just how it was before last year. i agree with mormoopid's analysis if this was 2006 or 2007. i'd still say the northwest is the tightest top to bottom though.
minnesota has a few awesome players though, like mikko koivu and brent burns
minnesota has a few awesome players though, like mikko koivu and brent burns
The central teams aren't really intimidated by Detroit unlike the rest of the NHL. They may not be as good or even make the playoffs but they play the Wings tough every matchup. And just for reference, you don't earn that number one seed each year by just beating division rivals.. you have to, you know, win a lot in general.
hmmm that'd probably be the SABRES aka THE BEST TEAM IN HOCKEY like I told you EARLIER Carl don't you SASS me again
Good thing Vanek is doing what he was paid to do. =] At least people can stop laughing at me for picking up Miller as my first goalie.
Yeah well last year each division rival was played 8 fucking times. Assuming you win, that's 8X4X2=64 pts. That's more than half what you need to get first.
Fuck that, even this year in theory it could be done: 6X4X2 = 48 Pts, almost half what you need to be the presidents cup winner.
Assuming you can sweep your division, odds are your teams isn't that bad and you'll likely be getting like 120 pts+ anyways. I'm certain there has to be some general correlation because those are ALOT of points. Hell, just beating all your divisional friends pretty much guarentees you at least 3rd in your conference because those are points that your rivals don't get that you do, thusly making them worth that much more. Divisional games are huge these days.
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We've had this conversation before in this very thread (by we I mean Teifu and I defending the Wings) and looking at my previous post a few months ago, the Wings got 84 points (if my quick math is right) from OUTSIDE of the central. So blame it all you want on division but, specifically last year, that's not what got them into the playoffs. That's 73% of their points last season by the way. While division games may be important in terms of a top 3 seed, you're not necessarily out of winning your division and one of those top spots if you can win elsewhere.
The NW will be tight like it is every year but it's not just because those teams beat each other up. Looking at last season, all NW teams that made the playoffs had winning records in their division but besides Minnesota, were almost all just above .500 outside of it. Nobody seemed to help themselves against other teams. If a team like Calgary won a few more games in the easy central instead of going 10-8-2 or 4-4-3 against Eastern conference teams, they would have taken the division. It's important to win games in general regardless of who it is against and the team that does that best will win its division.
We've had this conversation before in this very thread (by we I mean Teifu and I defending the Wings) and looking at my previous post a few months ago, the Wings got 84 points (if my quick math is right) from OUTSIDE of the central. So blame it all you want on division but, specifically last year, that's not what got them into the playoffs. That's 73% of their points last season by the way. While division games may be important in terms of a top 3 seed, you're not necessarily out of winning your division and one of those top spots if you can win elsewhere.
The NW will be tight like it is every year but it's not just because those teams beat each other up. Looking at last season, all NW teams that made the playoffs had winning records in their division but besides Minnesota, were almost all just above .500 outside of it. Nobody seemed to help themselves against other teams. If a team like Calgary won a few more games in the easy central instead of going 10-8-2 or 4-4-3 against Eastern conference teams, they would have taken the division. It's important to win games in general regardless of who it is against and the team that does that best will win its division.
No need to get defensive Carl, we all know the wings are probably gonna win it again this year too.
I don't recall talking about the playoffs and comparing them to the points that a team gets in the year, I think I just commented on the presidents trophy is all. You're technically right though, those points don't mean shit once playoffs start, cept for MAYBE your placement and who you end up playing. Last year it didn't matter for detroit, they rolled over every single team they played with relative ease.
I don't recall talking about the playoffs and comparing them to the points that a team gets in the year, I think I just commented on the presidents trophy is all. You're technically right though, those points don't mean shit once playoffs start, cept for MAYBE your placement and who you end up playing. Last year it didn't matter for detroit, they rolled over every single team they played with relative ease.
The Toronto/Anahiem game I thought was pretty intense, good to see Toronto play hard and not take stupid penalties.
wow how about that NINE MINUTE powerplay awarded to the capitals for a gooning? I think a double minor plus a 5 minute for fighting is a bit much, how about just a game misconduct and a 5 minute? That's alot more realistic.
Again I'm going to refrain from saying the refs treat the flames like shit, but this will be the third time this regular season I've been outraged by the reffing. Maybe there was some reason for the weird 9 minute powerplay, I'm not sure, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt.
also holy shit, informal discussions about a 2nd team in toronto area since the prices/demand is just nuts apparently. It's 'purely speculative', but again there are talks of moving a team with fans that don't care, such as florida or carolina. The maple leafs are crying (big shock there) about someone cutting into their piece of the pie, but there is so much demand apparently it wouldn't matter. Hamilton apparently is thought as a detriment to Buffalo who has had fan issues in the past, but the main suggestion seemed to be adding another team (probably a moved one) to the air canada centre in Toronto.
^That, of course, is 'purely speculative', as I said. The NHL just won't let it die, keeps talking about it and saying "It certainly has some merit". What do you guys think?
Again I'm going to refrain from saying the refs treat the flames like shit, but this will be the third time this regular season I've been outraged by the reffing. Maybe there was some reason for the weird 9 minute powerplay, I'm not sure, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt.
also holy shit, informal discussions about a 2nd team in toronto area since the prices/demand is just nuts apparently. It's 'purely speculative', but again there are talks of moving a team with fans that don't care, such as florida or carolina. The maple leafs are crying (big shock there) about someone cutting into their piece of the pie, but there is so much demand apparently it wouldn't matter. Hamilton apparently is thought as a detriment to Buffalo who has had fan issues in the past, but the main suggestion seemed to be adding another team (probably a moved one) to the air canada centre in Toronto.
^That, of course, is 'purely speculative', as I said. The NHL just won't let it die, keeps talking about it and saying "It certainly has some merit". What do you guys think?
I don't think that's possible, let alone realistic. Can you imagine how much of a scheduling nightmare it would be to try and have two teams share the same "Home" rink? That, and the fact that divisions in hockey are geogrphical, and so Toronto2 would pretty much have to move into the NorthEast, maybe pumping out Boston.
lol you noticed that too, huh
I like that one time in the first period when they called Numminen on some bullshit ghost-hook, so 30 seconds later they called a Bruin for some bullshit ghost-hold. Thanks for keeping it even guys!
I'm of the opinion that it will never happen. I think it's an NHL ploy to get the Maple Leafs management to remove their heads from their asses and start putting out a better product. Toronto is one of the biggest cities in the world, one of the most important, and those people are rabid about their hockey. This continued incompetence just won't fly.
As for Hamilton/Buffalo, Buffalo has never had a problem with fans. No one from Canada roots for us anyways, because that's absolute blasphemy. We have our own solid fan base here; the only reason the Hamilton deal fell through is because it's too close geographically to Toronto and Buffalo (that, and Balsillie is a raging douchebag).
They are geographical, but lets be even more realistic when we talk about that, seeing as there are teams in the west that dont belong in the west.