That Turco shit is indeed incredible :) Read it on PD today.
Turco Rules, because the bill says so.
Turco Rules, because the bill says so.
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The Everything NHL Thread
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"The reason we have video replay is to get the right call. They're probably going to make it into the playoffs anyways, but do we really have to make it that obvious that the league wants them in? They're going to get in anyways. It was a close play, but the puck never crossed the line. I was sitting there watching it, and I knew it wasn't over."
—Blues G Ty Conklin, on Marian Hossa's reviewed goal in the second period of the Hawks' overtime win Wednesday.
—Blues G Ty Conklin, on Marian Hossa's reviewed goal in the second period of the Hawks' overtime win Wednesday.
Blues G Cry Conklin
Fun facts: The Hawks commentators didn't think it should be a goal either.
Honestly, I think the Hawks would have found a way to get it done anyway, but bad review call as usual.
Incidentally, even as a Red Wings fan I would also like the Hawks in. Definitely don't want to play them, because they're as dangerous of a low seed as is possible, but the league is still trying to build its image back up and Chicago really isn't a market people should want to see out of the playoffs. Rooting for a Wings 3 Hawks 8 scenario, odds of collision before WCF is pretty much nill and who doesn't want to see Hawks/Canucks again? Besides Canucks fans, I mean.
For anyone curious: Chicago has a home and home with Detroit, Dallas has the Wild and Avalanche, Ducks have home and home with Kings, Ducks and Chicago(95) have 2 more points than Dallas (93). Dallas wins tiebreak with Chicago in any situation but Chicago getting 2 regulation losses and Dallas getting 2 overtime losses, or Dallas getting a shootout win with a Chicago loss and both teams having the same result of the second game(because all other scenarios Dallas ties Chicago in non-shootout wins and has the tiebreak of more points in head to head games). Anaheim has tiebreak on Chicago and Dallas no matter what. Technically Phoenix(home and home with San Jose) or Nashville(vs Columbus, @ St Louis) at 97 points each could fall out at the expense of all of these teams, but unlikely.
Honestly, I think the Hawks would have found a way to get it done anyway, but bad review call as usual.
Incidentally, even as a Red Wings fan I would also like the Hawks in. Definitely don't want to play them, because they're as dangerous of a low seed as is possible, but the league is still trying to build its image back up and Chicago really isn't a market people should want to see out of the playoffs. Rooting for a Wings 3 Hawks 8 scenario, odds of collision before WCF is pretty much nill and who doesn't want to see Hawks/Canucks again? Besides Canucks fans, I mean.
For anyone curious: Chicago has a home and home with Detroit, Dallas has the Wild and Avalanche, Ducks have home and home with Kings, Ducks and Chicago(95) have 2 more points than Dallas (93). Dallas wins tiebreak with Chicago in any situation but Chicago getting 2 regulation losses and Dallas getting 2 overtime losses, or Dallas getting a shootout win with a Chicago loss and both teams having the same result of the second game(because all other scenarios Dallas ties Chicago in non-shootout wins and has the tiebreak of more points in head to head games). Anaheim has tiebreak on Chicago and Dallas no matter what. Technically Phoenix(home and home with San Jose) or Nashville(vs Columbus, @ St Louis) at 97 points each could fall out at the expense of all of these teams, but unlikely.
They pulled the same shit on the flames, again. As if the 2004 cup rape wasn't bad enough, they decided to do it this year against the ducks- had we won that game, we'd probably be in. It's pretty obvious how corrupt the league is when they stack late period penalties to tie things up EVERY FUCKING GAME. The number of three point games is growing every year, at least it seems that way.
I do not believe the league is corrupt and while I'm sure they have teams they'd prefer to make the playoffs over others, they wouldn't go as far as ever interfering this way.
There are no refs mandated to give extra power plays to the Blackhawks by the league neither were there any to make the Penguin Caps series last longer in past years. Can anyone actually imagine how insanely risky it would be for a league to try to buy their own officials? With your reputation at stake, it's just not worth it.
I will still pretend complaints of this nature are just misplaced cynicism and not actually something people believe in.
There are no refs mandated to give extra power plays to the Blackhawks by the league neither were there any to make the Penguin Caps series last longer in past years. Can anyone actually imagine how insanely risky it would be for a league to try to buy their own officials? With your reputation at stake, it's just not worth it.
I will still pretend complaints of this nature are just misplaced cynicism and not actually something people believe in.
Good point.
The Rangers seem to enjoy making the last game of the season determine whether or not they make the playoffs. At least last year they controlled their own destiny, whereas this year they need some help. Also Philly is dangerously close to playing Montreal in round 1. I don't like this.
Vineon it's no secret that the league is a HUGE advocate of extremely close standings as well as shoot outs. Both can be accommodated relatively simply by being a little more liberal on penalty calls to teams who are trailing near the end of the third. I know the incidence of penalty would naturally be higher when the pressure is on, like when a team is trying to tie it up at the end of the game. I'm sure there's no underground conspiracy, but when a bad call is made at the end of a game that winds up bringing things into overtime, you bet your ass bettman doesn't get upset.
I HATE that goal calls can be made by someone on the other side of the continent. I get that it's less biased, potentially, but jesus I remember hearing that they CHANGED (positively) how goals are reviewed and I see no evidence of that.
I really hope Quebec City gets a team back, by the way.
edit: gonna add this on Coyotes, despite having nothing but shit managerially, have a good team now (most depth scoring in the NHL, iirc, but no big guns) and a bright future. Good for them. :D
I HATE that goal calls can be made by someone on the other side of the continent. I get that it's less biased, potentially, but jesus I remember hearing that they CHANGED (positively) how goals are reviewed and I see no evidence of that.
I really hope Quebec City gets a team back, by the way.
edit: gonna add this on Coyotes, despite having nothing but shit managerially, have a good team now (most depth scoring in the NHL, iirc, but no big guns) and a bright future. Good for them. :D
I think the problem with the goal review is less corruption and more the fact they have really inane, arbitrary rules about what they're allowed to use in them (particularly relating to the fact they can't use logic and must assume that if the puck appears on one side of the line and eventually on the other but they didn't see it cross the line a wizard must have done it) which tends to lead to a lot of incorrect results -- they have themselves boxed into rules that can't possibly get the correct result consistently.
I would however disagree with the assertion that the NHL doesn't make catch-up penalty calls(how often do you see the team ahead get calls it deserves late in games? how often do you not see teams with big leagues get called for ticky-tack calls to try to get the other team back in the game?) or that they've never greatly impacted a Pens/Caps series(Game 3 of the series that the Pens eventually won 4-3 the Pens got some very weak calls while losing before eventually winning in OT, which would have given the caps a 3-0 lead).
I would however disagree with the assertion that the NHL doesn't make catch-up penalty calls(how often do you see the team ahead get calls it deserves late in games? how often do you not see teams with big leagues get called for ticky-tack calls to try to get the other team back in the game?) or that they've never greatly impacted a Pens/Caps series(Game 3 of the series that the Pens eventually won 4-3 the Pens got some very weak calls while losing before eventually winning in OT, which would have given the caps a 3-0 lead).
lets write off observation as coincidence and put our trust in Gary Bettman + humanities obligate need for politics + money (bloating desperate markets)?
It's not like anyone is saying the games are rigged but suggesting that perhaps some teams are picked on based on bias. I'm sure Quebec City has nothing to complain about for biased hockey calls in the past, right?
It's not like anyone is saying the games are rigged but suggesting that perhaps some teams are picked on based on bias. I'm sure Quebec City has nothing to complain about for biased hockey calls in the past, right?
"TOP SHELF WHERE MOMMA HIDES THE COOKIES" has to be my favorite call now, supplanting Emrick's "THIS IS CHAOS"
*Is still looking like a very intelligent person for saying that the Sabres could still make it into the playoffs without Derek Roy*
Soooo.... Who called me an idiot again?
Anyways.... Could the Rangers stop screwing around with the playoff picture, we already have enough bitter revenge matches set up in the Western Conference playoffs. I do not want to see Caps-Rangers. I would appreciate Stevie Y's Bolts resting St. Louis, Stamkos, Kubina, and Lecavelier against the Canes please. I'd rather see Ward, Staal, and Skinner (that kid is amazing).
How does Chicago not have the tiebreaker vs the Stars? They have more wins, isn't that the first tiebreaker?
Poor Sharks.... they can never catch a break in the playoffs.
Preds-Kings series hmmmmm....
Soooo.... Who called me an idiot again?
Anyways.... Could the Rangers stop screwing around with the playoff picture, we already have enough bitter revenge matches set up in the Western Conference playoffs. I do not want to see Caps-Rangers. I would appreciate Stevie Y's Bolts resting St. Louis, Stamkos, Kubina, and Lecavelier against the Canes please. I'd rather see Ward, Staal, and Skinner (that kid is amazing).
How does Chicago not have the tiebreaker vs the Stars? They have more wins, isn't that the first tiebreaker?
Poor Sharks.... they can never catch a break in the playoffs.
Preds-Kings series hmmmmm....
ESPN is confusing me because the first tiebreaker after "#of games played" is #of games won and Chicago would automatically win that because they have 44 wins and Dallas can only win 43...
whatever.
ROW= Regulation + Overtime wins... I feel dumb now, i should have known that. So if Chi loses and Dallas wins that tiebreaker cancels out and Dallas wins because of the season series.
UGH, this whole western conference is driving me nuts.
I blame the Minnesota Wild for throwing everything off tomorrow.
*sigh*
Ladies an gents, your eastern conference playoffs, barring no more epic chokes as i'm writing this
Washington Capitals vs New York Rangers
Philadelphia Flyers vs Buffalo Sabres
Boston Bruins vs Montreal Canadiens
Pittsburgh Penguins vs Tampa Bay Lightning
I'm loving the round one matchups. I would have preferred playing Boston so we could get revenge, but I'll be pulling for Montreal now. Also, we got Philadelphia at the best time possible; fuck 8th, I don't want the Caps.
Rick Jeanneret, DA BEST.
I grew up listening to Jeanneret from day one. u jelly
Rick Jeanneret, DA BEST.
I grew up listening to Jeanneret from day one. u jelly
Believe it or not I'd prefer to see the Hawks over the Stars. Entertainment > Easiness
2-1 Stars after one. I'd have been stunned if the Stars lost this game and it looks good so far. Kinda feeling down about it, would have loved Hawks/Canucks...
EDIT: YES YES YES STARS LOSE HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
So pumped about Canucks vs Hawks 3 and also that the Hawks didn't get eliminated for that game against Detroit since they played awfully well. I'll post predicts in a bit.
EDIT: YES YES YES STARS LOSE HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
So pumped about Canucks vs Hawks 3 and also that the Hawks didn't get eliminated for that game against Detroit since they played awfully well. I'll post predicts in a bit.