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The Everything NHL Thread
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I'm really happy with Snow's actions this deadline. We managed to move Mottau and Rolston to Boston. Even if we only got an ECHLer and an AHLer in return, we still come out way ahead. We're no longer the team where old Devils come to retire.
I am so glad the guy is no longer with the Oilers. Him and KLowe were no better than Lowebellini. God, the Oilers might've had Lowe, Tambellini, and Howson had Howson not went to Columbus. They'd probably trade RNH, Hall, and Eberle for George Parros or something.
You think I have no master plan?
Assuming this is right, to be fair, Vancouver first rounders are fairly close to the 2nd round (they would win President at the moment) and Rick Nash is a first picked overall player. Can you imagine him winging the Sedins? This is nothing like Toronto giving all high draft picks for Kessel, you're essentially giving 25th-30th picks instead of top 5 top 10 ones.
Rick Nash is definitely worth those 3 "first round" picks and more.
Howson just made the bet that Vancouver wanted to win the cup this year but apparently, not if they need to give this much.
Leaving aside the recent drafts, as the players probably haven't had enough time to fully develop into pro players, here are ten 30th draft picks from 1999 to 2008 :
Kristian Kudroc
Jeff Taffe
Dave Steckel
Jim Slater
Shawn Belle
Andy Rogers
Vladimir Mihalik
Matt Corrente
Nick Ross
Thomas McCollum
Pick 3.
Rick Nash is definitely worth those 3 "first round" picks and more.
Howson just made the bet that Vancouver wanted to win the cup this year but apparently, not if they need to give this much.
Leaving aside the recent drafts, as the players probably haven't had enough time to fully develop into pro players, here are ten 30th draft picks from 1999 to 2008 :
Kristian Kudroc
Jeff Taffe
Dave Steckel
Jim Slater
Shawn Belle
Andy Rogers
Vladimir Mihalik
Matt Corrente
Nick Ross
Thomas McCollum
Pick 3.
That's a high draft pick for the next three years, though.. I mean, if you want to look at it as essentially 3 "second round" picks, fine. Those are still good selections. For example, Jacob Markstrom went 31st overall, right after Thomas McCollum, and will end up being Florida's rock in net for the next few years. No guarantee a draft pick pans out or that you select the right guy but the 30th best player on the board still isn't that bad..
And those picks were in addition to arguably the best young, potential starting goalie in the NHL in Schneider and another high end draft pick that already looks promising in Hodgson.
And those picks were in addition to arguably the best young, potential starting goalie in the NHL in Schneider and another high end draft pick that already looks promising in Hodgson.
Yet what you and others went nuts about were the "LOL 3 FUCKING FIRST ROUND PICKS".
On one end you get Rick Nash, on the other 3 low 1st round picks with fingers crossed that at least one of them will simply be a permanent NHL player. Sampling picks through the years seems to indicate you're probably not getting a fantastic return.
Schneider and Hodgson at least have proven to be NHL quality material but the Canucks don't even play the 2nd goalie in the playoffs. The Sedins are 31, the Canucks better win the cup now or soon.
On one end you get Rick Nash, on the other 3 low 1st round picks with fingers crossed that at least one of them will simply be a permanent NHL player. Sampling picks through the years seems to indicate you're probably not getting a fantastic return.
Schneider and Hodgson at least have proven to be NHL quality material but the Canucks don't even play the 2nd goalie in the playoffs. The Sedins are 31, the Canucks better win the cup now or soon.
Yea honestly I don't think 3 late first round draft picks + the 2 players is egregious. You instantly get 2 #1 lines, the trickle down effect for lines 3 and 4, that immensely important physicality at skill lines for play offs, and a prospective #1 pp unit that makes me prematurely ejaculate.
If the Canucks dont win this year I'll seriously look back and question their decision to not go for broke at this point with Luongo and Sedin twins getting up in age.
If the Canucks dont win this year I'll seriously look back and question their decision to not go for broke at this point with Luongo and Sedin twins getting up in age.
You're joking right. Marian Gaborik's top 2 seasons are 42 goals each....Nash has 40 and 41...
.43 goals per game for nash, .45 goals per game for gaborik. .81 points per game for nash, .89 points per game for gaborik.
Nash is younger, bigger, far more durable, and has never had a passing center worth 3 shits playing for him.
.43 goals per game for nash, .45 goals per game for gaborik. .81 points per game for nash, .89 points per game for gaborik.
Nash is younger, bigger, far more durable, and has never had a passing center worth 3 shits playing for him.
More to the point Nash has barely had any teammate of any skill with which to play with. If anything he's one of the most underrated players because how often do you hear his name come up outside of the recent trade deadline. The points he's got have come on merit of his own skill, pair him with some decent players and you can't be calling be underrated.
Schneider made appearances in 5 playoff games last year for 163 minutes of playing time. He actually started game 6 against the Blackhawks last year. Most of his playing time was garbage minutes after Luongo choked but still.. The Canucks seemed pretty set on making sure they had insurance for Luongo based on interviews I had seen with the GM prior to the deadline.
We all expected Schneider and/or Hogdson to be involved in a potential Nash deal.. that's what nobody was going "omg wtfwlm!11" over that part.
We all expected Schneider and/or Hogdson to be involved in a potential Nash deal.. that's what nobody was going "omg wtfwlm!11" over that part.
I thought Gabby had some 50-goal seasons under his belt, I'm confusing him with someone else. Can't figure out who.
Regardless, very few players in the game today are worth the king's bounty Howson wanted. The rest of the league is laughing at him right now.
Also I'm curious as to how Hodgson's numbers will fare since he's not being given sheltered minutes (one assumes they'll stick him with Pominville and Vanek or with Ennis and Leino).
Anyways, Chara and Weber are bound to be Norris Trophy candidates. However, after a chat with a certain Senators fan in this site, I'm curious as to see what people think about Karlsson and his PPG pace. Watching his game earlier in the season, he shined offensively, but was mediocre defensively, giving up turnovers, and not as strong on the boards. We're at the point now where we could probably predict the Top 3 candidates for each award, so do you guys think Karlsson should be in the Top 3 or even given the award?
Anyways, Chara and Weber are bound to be Norris Trophy candidates. However, after a chat with a certain Senators fan in this site, I'm curious as to see what people think about Karlsson and his PPG pace. Watching his game earlier in the season, he shined offensively, but was mediocre defensively, giving up turnovers, and not as strong on the boards. We're at the point now where we could probably predict the Top 3 candidates for each award, so do you guys think Karlsson should be in the Top 3 or even given the award?
I think Erik Karlsson is better defensively than a Mike Green, but isn't great either. Mike Green was actually even better offensively, but offense alone doesn't earn you a Norris trophy unless you put up a Paul Coffey esque performance. As long as Karlsson keeps up this offensive pace as he learns the defensive game, he will have his Norris trophy, but I don't think he'll get it this year.
Who are you suggesting wins the Norris instead? I think it should go to Weber, but it'll probably end up going to Karlsson just because of the sheer numbers he's put up. Over a point per game for a defenseman is crazy. And he's +15, which is pretty good. However, anyone who watches him play knows that he is not as good defensively yet as that number might suggest... but I have a feeling he'll win anyways. Weber would have my vote though.
I'm guessing the nominees are Karlsson, Weber, and Chara.
I'm guessing the nominees are Karlsson, Weber, and Chara.
lol, the one time Bryzgalov lets in only 1 goal the Flyers get shutout. When it rains it poors =[
IMO Weber was good enough to win last year and has done nothing to say he wont win this year. While Karlsson's +/- is impressive, most of it is because he creates a lot of scoring chances (so more +s), kinda like how Ovechkin was a + player for most of his career.
Watching Buffalo and Anaheim, Cody looked pretty sharp in the 1st but then dropped off in the 2nd, and disappeared in the 3rd. Still needs to work on stamina. He had some great chances though, but still loses puck battles =/.
Also wtf Ruff putting Cody on the penalty kill? And Miller fucking beasting it up. Not his greatest season, but he's showing flashes of the brilliance he had last year.
Also wtf Ruff putting Cody on the penalty kill? And Miller fucking beasting it up. Not his greatest season, but he's showing flashes of the brilliance he had last year.
Hodgson/Stafford/Ennis was a good line, I look forward to seeing more from them in the next few games. They had some great chances in the first and didn't bury them, and then blew one on the open net because Ennis tried to pass. Hodgson averaged about 12:30 with the Canucks, played over 16:00 last night. He'll get his legs, I'm not worried about that.
As for the Norris: the "defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position"
It's obvious that Lidstrom and Chara will be finalists based on reputation alone, NHL.com has already started the Lidstrom dick-sucking. Karlsson should be in the running, as should Weber. What about dark horse candidates like del Zotto or Shattenkirk? Statistically, they're as good or better than the others.
As for the Norris: the "defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position"
It's obvious that Lidstrom and Chara will be finalists based on reputation alone, NHL.com has already started the Lidstrom dick-sucking. Karlsson should be in the running, as should Weber. What about dark horse candidates like del Zotto or Shattenkirk? Statistically, they're as good or better than the others.
Although Lidstrom is having a good season (especially for his age), he is definitely out of his prime so I don't see him being a finalist. Zotto is having an amazing season for NY but he's still young and lacks experience which is evident in his game sometimes. At this point, it's looking like Weber, Chara and Karlsson mostly for his insane amount of points for a d-men.
According to most NYR fans, Ryan McDonagh is their best young defenseman, not Del Zotto. This isn't to say that Del Zotto isn't good, but it certainly speaks volumes of how good McDonagh has been, the Scott Gomez trade makes me lol every time.
If as in prime, comparing him to his late 90's, early 2000's form, then yes. Otherwise, he's been a stalwart on Detroit's defense, from what I've seen. I mean, boosting Ian White's +/- to a 25, while keep his at there, with 31 points and solid positional play, he may be able to challenge for the Norris (although I'd still pick Chara and Weber over him). What impresses me the most about him isn't his physical play, but his positioning and his stick work; he probably has one of the most active sticks as a defenseman in the league, and always manages to outposition any forecheckers along the boards. How is he 41 and still playing at this level I don't even know.
Also, battle for the West continues in Vancouver tonight: St Louis vs Vancouver. Whoever wins takes sole possession of 1st place in the Western Conference.
fuck your vancouver eraddd