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The Everything NHL Thread

Pittsburgh trades Michalek back to Phoenix for 2 prospects and a pick. I don't really understand why they'd trade him, especially when Martin is still on their roster.
 
Habs had the best draft day imo. Galchenyuk, Collberg, Thrower and Bozon. Jeez, I was hoping the Canucks would pick up Thrower in the second, and maybe Collberg in the first (but I'm happier we got Gaunce, since I didn't expect him to fall to us).
 
I don't really understand why all of these big events always wind up being rich get richer type things. Pittsburgh gets better, Washington gets better, Chicago got a steal... always seems like it's the same teams' GMs doing well at times like this. The Sabres' first round steal worth mentioning, too.

Love Isles grabbing Vish since he makes them better and doesn't cost them real money but boy does Anaheim look like they're collapsing on the other side of that. This has to be Selanne's last year in 12-13, Koivu's gotta be almost done, Ryan wants out, and that team is already super shallow. And now they lost their best D for basically nothing... EDIT: Just looked this up. Getzlaf, Perry, Koivu all have contracts up after this year. The only three players with contracts after next year are Ryan, who wants to leave, the incredibly overpaid Beauchemin, and Sbisa. Time for a rebuild?

I'm not sure I really understand the Canes' end of their trade (though I think Staal is a lot better than Sutter and will likely prove that this year by putting up 70 or so, which will probably be irrelevant because that team still doesn't have even close to 6 top 6 forwards), but I think the most confusing part of this weekend to me is the Devils. They have to give up a first round pick very soon. They finish 2nd, and have the chance to give up a horrible pick, and not only do they not do that, but they get a very missable prospect who is the son/namesake of someone who crushed their dreams in 94 with that pick they shouldn't have used. Whaaaaat?
 
Toronto won the trade imo. Schenn was pretty bad and his value was pretty low especially with his contract. However, JVR does have an injury, so I guess it balances out.

Edit: Might signal that Schultz might be willing to sign with the Leafs
 
I think both teams benefit from that trade. Flyers needed a d-man and they already had a lot of depth offensively, so James van Riemsdyk was a player they didn't need. Toronto needed offense and they got JVR. Schenn mainly sucked because of how poorly Toronto played and he looked bad. He can become a good player on a good team.
 
Synre said:
I don't really understand why all of these big events always wind up being rich get richer type things. Pittsburgh gets better, Washington gets better, Chicago got a steal... always seems like it's the same teams' GMs doing well at times like this. The Sabres' first round steal worth mentioning, too.

Love Isles grabbing Vish since he makes them better and doesn't cost them real money but boy does Anaheim look like they're collapsing on the other side of that. This has to be Selanne's last year in 12-13, Koivu's gotta be almost done, Ryan wants out, and that team is already super shallow. And now they lost their best D for basically nothing... EDIT: Just looked this up. Getzlaf, Perry, Koivu all have contracts up after this year. The only three players with contracts after next year are Ryan, who wants to leave, the incredibly overpaid Beauchemin, and Sbisa. Time for a rebuild?

I'm not sure I really understand the Canes' end of their trade (though I think Staal is a lot better than Sutter and will likely prove that this year by putting up 70 or so, which will probably be irrelevant because that team still doesn't have even close to 6 top 6 forwards), but I think the most confusing part of this weekend to me is the Devils. They have to give up a first round pick very soon. They finish 2nd, and have the chance to give up a horrible pick, and not only do they not do that, but they get a very missable prospect who is the son/namesake of someone who crushed their dreams in 94 with that pick they shouldn't have used. Whaaaaat?
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Pretty sure the logic being used is similar to the time value of money, in that a draft pick now is more valuable than one in 2 years. Instead of money earning interest, your draft pick is getting development time. Also the difference between picking #20-30 is extremely small. If the devils end up forfeiting say a #15-20 pick 2 years from now instead is that difference really worth 2 years of extra development? I argue no. However, if the Devils suddenly miss the playoffs these next 2 years (unlikely, and I think they are a playoff team even without Parise) then yeah it could be a big mistake keeping this pick. I personally would have just given up the pick this year to avoid having to worry about it anymore, but I don't feel strongly about the decision one way or the other.

As for the pick, I think it's hilarious haha. I was laughing for a good 10 minutes after the pick. But seriously, when you're not picking near the top, the draft is a crapshoot. It's not like there was some can't miss prospect we passed on to take this kid. The guy looks like he projects to be a better version of clarkson or zubrus. If he can become a really solid 3rd liner like that, then it's definitely a successful pick at #29 in my eyes. The Devils historically have been a very good drafting team despite picking near the middle and end of the first round for a good chunk of 2 decades (though they haven't been too successful recently), so I trust our scouts.
 
I don't think that's a very good argument about value when you're looking over the long term; it isn't inherently better to have an asset peaking at one time or another because it's not like at the end you have two sums of money and one got to compound longer; neither player is gonna play forever, the cycles just occur in different time periods. I think all that really matters is optimizing value because if you get a better player or pick later you can still move it for more than you could with a weaker asset. It also matters little after a while when players were drafted -- can even you tell me what year half the players on the Devils were drafted?

In the Devils case I'm not sure i think it's safe to assume they're picking at 15-20 even after this year but realistically they're going to struggle a little after Kovalchuk gets a few more years on him due to the percentage of cap he's taking up, I'd almost want to wait it out and get prospects that are going to be peaking as he's retiring if you can't get someone who's going to be making an impact in the NHL in the next 3 years or so.
 
Synre said:
I don't think that's a very good argument about value when you're looking over the long term; it isn't inherently better to have an asset peaking at one time or another because it's not like at the end you have two sums of money and one got to compound longer; neither player is gonna play forever, the cycles just occur in different time periods. I think all that really matters is optimizing value because if you get a better player or pick later you can still move it for more than you could with a weaker asset. It also matters little after a while when players were drafted -- can even you tell me what year half the players on the Devils were drafted?

In the Devils case I'm not sure i think it's safe to assume they're picking at 15-20 even after this year but realistically they're going to struggle a little after Kovalchuk gets a few more years on him due to the percentage of cap he's taking up, I'd almost want to wait it out and get prospects that are going to be peaking as he's retiring if you can't get someone who's going to be making an impact in the NHL in the next 3 years or so.
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I definitely think it's better to have a player peaking at one time vs another. If Parise signs long term I expect the Devils to be competitive for at least another 5 years while Kovalchuk (and hopefully Parise) are in their prime, Elias is still playing, and Henrique and Larsson are improving. A pick right now has a better chance of making some sort of impact during those 5 or so years than one drafted 2 years from now. I also can't picture Kovalchuk's production suddenly falling off within 2 years due to old age when he's only 29. And his 6.6 cap hit is actually pretty good for a player like him. If Parise stays here his cap hit will likely be the one that's eating up too high a % of the cap.

There is almost no extra value between picking in the mid teens and the late 20s, so unless you think the Devils will miss the playoffs in 2014 then it's not a huge deal keeping this pick (They would have to totally tank in 2014 even worse than they did 2 years ago, which was a once in almost 2 decade occurance, for this decision to actually hurt them significantly since a 8-15 draft pick is by no means a guarantee).

With that said, I would have forfeited this pick because even though it's highly unlikely, there is risk involved with keeping it. Just as I argued that there is either no value difference or maybe slightly more value having a #29 pick now vs say a #15 pick 2 years from now, the value difference is so negligable it's not even worth trying to maximize value here. Just forfeit the pick, get it over with, and then we wouldn't have it hanging over our heads anymore. But that's me personally, and I'm not one to take pointless risks even when the odds of it backfiring are insanely low. There's just not enough reward here for me, so I'll just trust that lou and the scouting staff saw something they like in this kid and hope for the best. Most likely it won't matter one way or the other, but it's the offseason so we need something to talk about lol.
 
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rofl malcolm must be sad to join his brother's enemy team :<
 
Yeah, I hope Edmonton doesn't suck too much life out of him. He's a nice mix of skill and humor right now, would be great for the league to have another big personality since we're kinda lacking in those these days.



Oates to Hall of Fame and coach of Caps in the span of several hours.

I'm pretty excited about both. I wasn't sure he'd get the hall call, but I started liking the Caps because of Oates when he was there -- not because of Ovechkin later -- so it makes me feel good to see him in the hall for it and back with the team. It'll be interesting to see what scheme he uses -- gotta imagine it's a little more offensive than last year -- but I think they'll do well under him no matter what.

Funny how much GM GM seems to enjoy head coaches with no experience, though...
 
Yeah he's quite the character. I remember one of his tweets said something along the lines of "I am the draft". Bad english or arrogance, it's still funny.

Also Bure, Oates, Sakic, and Sundin get the call to the Hall. About time for Bure =]
 
Sundin looks really out of place next to Bure, Oates and Sakic. Imo Lindros or Shanahan should have gotten in instead of Sundin.
 
You would not be saying that if you were a resident of Toronto. What he was able to accomplish with the supporting cast he had in his time here was nothing short of amazing.
 
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