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The Everything NHL Thread

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what was scott howson thinking when he made that deal -____-

columbus used to have jakub voracek, jeff carter and rick nash, now they have...dubinsky haha
way to kill a team!
 
Pretty sure Dubinsky was always on the table for salary cap reasons. I think Columbus had wanted someone like Stepan or McDonaugh as the other proven player, Kreider as the prospect and then a 1st.

Not that the above asking price is a huge step down to what actually happened but at the same time, why wait this long and then settle for essentially less? Obviously NY never signs off on the rumored trade I mentioned but it feels like the deal that went down today could have happened at the deadline and I think it would have gone over better. This just smells like desperation and giving up now that we're in July.

No disrespect to Anisimov, who I'm sure will have a very lovely, enigmatic career now that he's in Columbus, or to Erixon, who is a good D prospect, but essentially the Rangers gave up nothing of importance or value in this deal. Dubinsky was slotted to be moved in any trade due to salary.. it was inevitable. They don't lose anything from a defense that was very solid (and young) last season and their forward group is only improved. One of the two roster players is upgraded to Nash and the other wasn't going to be in the top 6, anyway. Arguably, both Anisimov and Dubinsky were 3rd liners given the emergence of Kreider in the postseason... he might have snagged a top 6 spot instead of one of them if they're not traded away.
 
I guess I'm in the minority who thinks Nash has been vastly overrated. And until he proves me wrong, I'm a fervent supporter of Howson in this deal, I feel as if both teams broke even. My guess: Nash is paired with Brad Richards and puts up a 30-goal, 60-point season. Yippy skippy.
 
This deal is less about the stats and more about the victories it will bring. Either way, though, if Nash hits his 30 goals and 65 points (more than reasonable), that's still better than last year's 26 and 70 from Dubinsky and Anisimov combined. The 1st rounder will be in the 20s and the D prospect is literally the only thing I'd say "ok, good job Columbus" on. Dubinsky and Anisimov aren't going to turn into top line talent. They'll be serviceable second liners, most likely, when their careers are said and done. That's great and all but that's not going to replace trading your captain and only marketable player.
 
Hmm, who said Columbus doesn't like Russians :P

I can see Gaborik - Richards - Nash being an extremely producing line next year.
 
I'm on your side too DM, but that don't mean much round these parts. Nash only stood out because he was on the Blue Jackets. Will he win the Rangers two more playoff series than they did last year? I don't buy it yet either.
 
DM said:
re: Nash, someone on my side:

http://nhl-red-light.si.com/2012/07/24/rick-nash-trade-rangers-blue-jackets/?sct=nhl_t12_a0
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I think it's more about what trading Nash means for the franchise itself and the deal doesn't reflect that value. The fact that they didn't get a top line caliber player back to build around and also that the Rangers didn't give up anyone they'll miss terribly, it just doesn't look very good for the Jackets. Sure, maybe everything works out for Columbus but I don't see it fixing this statement about the fans from that article:

"Beside filling holes and maybe trying to deal for another forward, Howson and the entire Blue Jackets organization has a big problem with their disaffected fan base."

I'd say that's not a big problem but the main problem.

jrrrrrrr said:
I'm on your side too DM, but that don't mean much round these parts. Nash only stood out because he was on the Blue Jackets. Will he win the Rangers two more playoff series than they did last year? I don't buy it yet either.
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Poor jrrrr, nobody EVER agrees with him on anything!!! :( :( :( :(

Nash "standing out" because he was on the Blue Jackets is a pretty cop out rationale don't you think? Someone could easily argue that because he "stood out" as the best player, he got the most defensive attention from other teams. Talent split up onto more than 1 player and 1 line, tougher to match up against, maybe some more space to work? Tough for me to see how playing with better players would hurt his production. If it stays the same, the Rangers are right where they were at last year with the 2 players they gave up. If it improves, that's even more of a bonus.


Look, nobody is saying this makes the Rangers instant cup champions. Will it help them win even one more playoff round? Not sure you could even say that. I think this move improves their top 6 and they have a pretty solid group of forwards. Synre was talking about now they need to add some more depth, probably both at forward and defense, and I think that's a good assessment. The Rangers were a solid team last year, still a solid team at the moment, may need to get better still if they want to be a great team.

And who knows, maybe Nash clashes with the other players or Torts or whatever. If this move made them insta favorites, the Rangers would have been more apt to do it at the deadline this past season. I think they knew that it wasn't a home run guarantee and stuck with the existing chemistry in their dressing room instead.
 
Rick Nash is not a sniper. His shooting percentage has decreased in 3 consecutive years. I've watched quite a bit of Rick Nash, and it certainly does not matter what players are on his line. He will put up the same numbers regardless of the talent. He will skate around the other team's zone with the puck glued on his stick for an entire shift. He doesn't pass the puck. He doesn't have a great one-timer. He is just one of those guys that nobody can knock off of the puck. He powers to the net and forces the puck in. He definitely has the puck handling skills to beat a goalie with a move, but he isn't going to be picking corners from the high-slot just because Richards made a nice pass. A similar comparison to Rick Nash is Eric Staal (A player that I watch 82 games per year. Every year.) You can put 4th line scrubs or 1st line all-stars with them. They are just puck hogs that get points on their own. They don't have a higher ceiling or lower floor based on their linemates.
 
In Nash's defense he looked a little better when he was younger, I wonder if he won't be a little less incompetent if he's coached into playing how he needs to on a decent team.

I don't think anyone is going to argue Nash is going to get 90 points this year or whatever but I didn't think Anisimov was very good to begin with and he performs basically the same role on the ice that Dubinsky does, so it's a pretty nice move for the Rangers either way. I think Howson could have done a lot worse as far as the pieces he'll get on the ice for a player who's underperformed for years that everyone knows needed to be moved even though it obviously isn't a sexy trade for Columbus' side. It's really not that bad of a deal either way.

Rangers still need to get a fifth and sixth defenseman more than they needed to upgrade offense though.
 
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