The Fall of Stall [OU Joint RMT | Kumar628 + christoko]

[Kumar628]

3 Big-Mouth Beasts and 3 Mouthless Ninjas [OU Joint RMT | Kumar628 + christoko]

Notes:
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3 Big-Mouth Beasts & 3 Mouthless Ninjas
Not "The Fall of Stall"​

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Introduction - Backround Info​

Hello, everyone. I'm Kumar628, but some people like to call me "MixVire weak." And my buddy christoko has not posted here, but he has played on Shoddy before and played pokemon competitively with me for quite a while. It was more like a phase to pass the time in class during school, but we grew curious as to the competitive side of pokemon. We always fought against each other and with friends, but never got around to putting our heads together in something other than math. We decided to form a team together and include our favorite pokemon that also cope with the metagame (FYI, MIXVIRE IS NOT IN THIS!) and the team as a whole. So, here we are, our first joint RMT, after a couple days of discussion (mostly on the lead), we have our team.​

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Introdcution - Team Building​

So, we started off with the idea of having our favorite pokemon in the team, right? He wanted his beloved Gengar, and I wanted my Tyranitar slapped in there. So, here's our start, and it's a pretty good one at that, I'd say.
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And so, with good synergy right there, in itself, we wanted to continue a good synergy, and from here, we decided to go offensive. I don't know why we had to decide that, I mean, it's Gengar and Tyranitar, two incredibly offensive pokemon. On the second day of discussion, I was looking through RMTs and found one that emphasized the core of Gengar, Tyranitar, and Magnezone (RMT Name Shades of G(r)ay). Coincidentally, we both love Magnezone and his magnets, for they reap Scizor, Skarmory, and Forretress. Who cares if they have a Shed Shell? They switch, more residual damage for us. Oh, residual damage...another point came in here. Anyways, isn't it awesome that such a great core also happen to be our favorite pokemon?​

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Ok, we have the core, and as I mentioned before, we have a fork in the road with residual damage. We automatically agreed upon it being set up by a lead, but we were deciding which was more beneficial: Toxic Spikes or Stealth Rock or Spikes? We barred Spikes because it was not reliable at all, as the damage can be healed by certain pokes, and there's too many levvies and flyers in OU. From my experience, Toxic Spikes are very effective on offensive teams and causes status for the other poke, which means that it can be healed off, but with attacks bombarding at it every turn, the opponent is as good as gone. To add onto this, it gives the opponent status, i.e. it can only be gotten rid of by Aromatheraby and the like. On the other hand, Stealth Rock hits everything. EVERYTHING for residual damage, and turns 2HKOs into OHKOs, and doesn't let Gyarados or Salamence switch in so easily. We also did not want a suicide lead, and we wanted some synergy. So, we came up with Roserade for Toxic Spikes, and Gliscor for Stealth Rock. Back and forth, back and forth, we finally went with Roserade, to cripple the lead and setup Toxic Spikes, which has proven to be great for making big threats significantly easier with proper stalling. This one didn't include opinion (because we both love Gliscor), we just wanted something to make our other favorite pokemon happier.​

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Alrighty, so now we have a solid lead, and a nice and happy core. 2 spots are open, and we decide that they are each for our respective favorite pokemon. christoko had some trouble with his, but I let him take his time, for whatever he wanted I would find a synergizing poke amongst my favorite pokemon. In the end, he was questioning himself. More specifically, "Why the f*** am I taking so long to think? It's an offensive team, and I love Scizor. Christ." And so, Scizor was added. My turn. Heatran's a nice synergy, right? Sure, but I hate him and he's too predictable with Scizor nowadays. There is one monster capable of running through teams once set up, and with Scizor and Tyranitar, can take all of their respective weaknesses and switch in, set up on the switch, and reap the team. His name is Gyarados, one of my favorite pokemon for his moustache. The synergy and offense he delivers alongside the core and his partner in crime (specifically, rape), Scizor, is excellent. A great addition to the team these two were. And this is our final product, sum, difference, and quotient:​

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In-Depth Analyses​

Mouthless Ninja #1 - Rose​

Roserade @ Focus Sash
Natural Cure
Timid
252SATK/4SDEF/252SPE
~Toxic Spikes
~Hidden Power [Fire]
~Sleep Powder
~Leaf Storm​

The most reliable Toxic Spikes lead in OU (Forretress isn't a lead, silly) and it comes with crippling two pokemon! Excellent. ​

Nature, EVs, and Item: Simple enough. Timid because we need to outspeed anything we can, alongside 252 Speed EVs we can do so. Focus Sash because anything physical will get rid of Roserade, and we need to live to see one layer of Toxic Spikes up.​

Moveset and Strategy: Even simpler. 1. Sleep Powder and pray it doesn't miss (if they're faster, take the hit/let them set up first. Or switch out). 2. Proceed to Toxic Spikes. 3. Hidden Power Fire or Leaf Storm to kill Rapid Spinners (Forretress, Starmie, Donphan, Tentacruel (lesser extent))and repeat if Rapid Spin has occured. Repeat all when needed. If we have two layers and we're hanging on with our Focus Sash, Leaf Storm will dent anything that doesn't resist it, coming off of 349 Special Attack, it's a great way to finish.Hidden Power Fire also hurts Metagross leads quite badly, as well as Skarmory who might try to OHKO with Brave Bird or set up.​

Synergy:
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Mouthless Ninja #2 - Sindy​

Scizor @ Leftovers
Technician
Adamant
252ATK/4SDEF/252SPE
~Swords Dance
~Bug Bite
~Brick Break
~Bullet Punch​

Nature, EVs, and Item: Adamant and 252 Attack EVs are for maximum power, topping at 394.Because we're bulky-ish offense, Leftovers allows Scizor to stay in longer, taking in neutral and resisted attacks. Occa berry can also help, allowing Scizor to safely the the hit (most notably, ScarfTran's Fire Blast) and retaliate. However, Leftovers is good enough for being overall bulky. EVs changed to the most offensive spread of Swords Dance Scizor, to outspeed Modest + max speed Magnezone.​

Moveset and Strategy: Because we decided that Swords Dance is more beneficial to the team, the strategy is altered. Coming in on any of his resistances, Scizor can set up on the switch and Bullet Punch until met with a counter, or something Bullet Punch can't dent. If the case is allowing his other moves to hit for good damage and not risk an OHKO, simply use the respective move i.e. Brick Break for Empoleon. Just like the strategy for any stat-booster set.​

Synergy:
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Big-Mouth Beast #1 - Gyanti​

Gyarados @ Life Orb
Intimidate
Adamant
252ATK/4SDEF/252SPE
~Dragon Dance
~Waterfall
~Ice Fang​

~Stone Edge​

Nature, EVs, and Item: Again, the emphasis on power for this beast is capping at 383 Attack. The Speed EVs are used to outspeed anything neutral base 80 + maxed speed and below, most notably, Tyranitar. Life Orb is to add an extra kick to his attacks, essentially boosting his Attack stat as a whole, climbing to 498 Attack, at the cost of 10% HP per attack but with the freedom to swtich moves.​

Moveset and Strategy: Ahh, due to Synergy, Miss Moustachio will Dragon Dance on the switch, or eat up an attack they assume will hit hard, and wreack havoc among their team. Sometimes it's possible to get 2 Dragon Dances off, allowing his to outspeed Scarf Latias (Modest w/ Max EVs, or Timid with <240 EVs), who would KO with Thunderbolt otherwise. So, Dragon Dance to boost, and Waterfall for a nice STAB which has good coverage in itself. Ice Fang is for Salamence, Gliscor, and Flygon, which is great, because Gliscor and Flygon can both hurt Gyarados with Stone Edge. Stone Edge is for opposing Gyarados and Zapdos, two very harsh counters to Gyarados. ​

Synergy:
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Big-Mouth Beast #2 - Ginger​

Gengar @ Life Orb
Levitate
Timid
4HP/252SATK/252SPE
~Protect
~Hidden Power [Fire]
~Shadow Ball
~Focus Blast​

Nature, EVs, and Item: Again, Timid and max speed to outrun anything base 110 neutral + maxed speed and below, and tie with Timid Latias and opposing Gengar. Maxed Special Attack for the brute mental force, and 4HP for filler. Life Orb is quite obvious, Gengar is too frail to take hits, and one or two Subs suffice his purpose.​

Moveset and Strategy: Protect. Lovely move. Protect allows for scouting the plaguing Scizor's move. If Scizor Pursuits, for example, Gengar can HP Fire. If he Bullet Punches, Magnezone can come to take the hit. The only downside is if he sets up on the Protect or he is bluffing a CB set with Iron Plate. Aside from such; Protect, paired with 3 excellent coverage attacks in Hidden Power Fire, Shadow Ball, and Focus Blast, this set is a pain in the pokeball...yea...it is. As I said, the 3 moves provide great coverage: Hidden Power Fire handles Scizor and his Steel buddies, as well as Roserade and Breloom; Shadow Ball is a great STAB that annihilates Latias and Cresselia; and Focus Blast takes care of anything that doesn't resist it. Strategy is to come in on Earthquakes, Earth Powers, Close Combats, Fake Outs, etc; and attack directly, or predict a switch and use whatever is best against what is assumed to switch in. There's only one downside to this set: opposing Gengar switching in that do not carry Hidden Powers that require a reduction in Speed, or no Hidden Power altogether. They outspeed and OHKO Gengar with Shadow Ball, and force a switch. However, this hasn't happened as of yet, but it is something to keep an eye out for. Thanks to Sprinkles for suggesting the set!​

Synergy:
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Big-Mouth Beast #3 - Tyler​

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Sand Stream
Adamant
176HP/252ATK/76SDEF
~Crunch
~Stone Edge
~Earthquake
~Pursuit​

Nature, EVs, and Item: Choice Band Tyranitar, no doubt my favorite set for this monstrous beast from hell (I seem to like pokemon with high attacking stats and intimidating/ugly/cool looks...) and it fits well on this team. Adamant and max attack is for simply annihilating anything I please. 176HP and 76 Special Defense allow for 385HP and 383 Special Defense (Sandstorm in account) which seems quite wierd. I don't feel as though I needed speed, because he's slower than pretty much anything, but I didn't want Brave on there for obvious reasons. Base 125 Special Attackers' stat is essentially nullified by the Special Defense given, meaning the difference goes in favor of Tyranitar, allowing him to take hit after hit (or, in Vaporeon's case, Surf after Surf) and retaliate with a decimating hit. ​

Moveset and Strategy: The strategy behind CBTar is to simply come in on the omnipotent Fire attack (which is emphasized by the amount of Fire weaks (3) on this team) and destroy the opposing pokemon, if at all possible. The combination of Crunch/Stone Edge make for the all-known Dark/Rock STAB combo that Tyranitar loves with all of his inexistent heart. Earthquake is there because we don't have anyone else who carries it, which is a problem. It dents Metagross and OHKO's Magnezone
and Heatran. Pursuit is to take care of weakened pokes who need to switch out, and would die trying. They do. It also hits Gengar quite hard, and it is safer to use Tyranitar rather than Scizor for Pursuiting Gengar, as Gengar is usually used in conjunction with Magnezone to trap the Pursuiting Scizor and set up on it; which is 2/3s of our core anyways :D​

Synergy:
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Mouthless Ninja #3 - Maggy​

Magnezone @ Leftovers (dear god, that yellow hurts my eyes!)
Magnet Pull
Timid
4DEF/252SATK/252SPE
~Substitute
~Thunderbolt
~Flash Cannon
~Hidden Power [Grass]​

Nature, EVs, and Item: We must outspeed! Timid + max speed = tie with Jolly Tyranitar, and the Standard Skarmory (I think...). Again, max Special Attack for raw mental prowess, and 4 Defense is filler (for a tiny more protection against AIDS. Close Combats and Superpowers cause AIDS, you know.) Leftovers is for bulk, as I want him to switch into steels and take whatever they dish out (unless it's a Close Combat by Lucario or Earthquake by Metagross) and just heal it off while, and after killing them.​

Moveset and Strategy: Again, it is simple. Trap the beastly and robotic Steels merely by switching in, and Substitute if I live to do so. In other words, I have to predict and analyze the opponent; I'll get lucky if I switch him into a Steel who switches in on another one of my pokes (i.e. Scizor is to Gengar). Moveset is pretty standard: Thunderbolt for the epic STAB coming off of 359 Special Attack, dents anything that doesn't resist; Flash Cannon is a secondary STAB, sitting at 120BP, it can hit Rock- and Ice-types quite hard, the likes of Tyranitar and Mamoswine and even things neutral to it that Thunderbolt can't touch (Grounds) ; and finally, Hidden Power Grass is therebecause Gengar can handle Scizor himself because of Protect to scout the move. Magnezone can still function well without Hidden Power Fire, as Hidden Power Grass grants him a move to hit his usual counters for super-effective damage, namely, Swampert and his Bulky Ground buddies. Again, thanks, Sprinkles, for suggesting the change! ​

Synergy:
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Small Team Notes:​

1 Pokemon weak to Stealth Rock | 3 Resistant
1 Pokemon prone to Toxic Spikes | 5 Immune
4 Pokemon prone to Spikes | 2 Immune
Toxic Spikes are the main Entry Hazards
3 Pokemon prone to Sandstorm | 3 Immune
6 Pokemon prone to Hail (oh, dear god, the color!) | 0 Immune
Has a Spin/Explosion Blocker who also kills them
Lacks an effective Revenge Killer, however, Scizor can hit things low on HP
No Rapid Spinner
Every team member has at least 2 Pokemon to synergize with for every single weakness​

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We (I) Are Considering...​

Changing Tyranitar's set to Dragon Dance. ​

Changing Roserade to Gliscor for Stealth Rock rather than Toxic Spikes.​

Replacing Scizor's Leftovers with Iron Plate to bluff a Choice Band set and add more power to Bullet Punch.​

Replacing Gyarados' item with either Leftovers or Splash Plate for bulk or attack boost with no cons, respectively.​

Going Hyper Offensive; if so, we are open to replacement pokemon.​

We (he) are Currently Testing...​

Dragon Dance Tyranitar in place of Choice Band Tyranitar.​

Changing Roserade Lead to Gliscor Lead.​

Iron Plate on Scizor. ​

Splash Plate on Gyarados.​

Leftovers on Gyarados.​

Testing is done separate from each other, meaning, Dragon Dance Tyranitar testing is done with the current Roserade Lead and vice versa. At some point, I will include all changes into account and test the team. Iron Plate on Scizor is an exception, I will test him mixed with both separate testings in #1 & #2, and the mix of them all.​

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Thank You!​

Thanks from both christoko and I for reading this thread and we hope that you guys enjoyed reading it and will help us improve it as you see fit. Remember, though, we may not be willing to change pokemon per se, because this was based on "favorite pokemon," however, Roserade can be changed, as we both don't have an opinion on Roserade. However, we do have other favorite pokemon and if it seems reasonable to include them for the ones on our team, then we will defeinitely test them out as you say. But we do have the experience with this team, so we can argue what does and does not fit from our experience. But still, criticism and help is greatly appreciated. I will also consult with christoko about each suggestion you propose, and get back to you with both of our opinions on such. Again, THANK YOU!​

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[Kumar628]

Threat List of DOOM!

Threat List of DOOM!

Black = Taken care of.
Yellow = Mild Threat OR Certain sets or moves not commonly seen on common sets are threats OR Are threats under the right circumstances (i.e. we switch into them or they to us.)
Red = Threat as big as Kaiba's ego no matter where you are in the world.

Offensive Threats:

Azelf: Leads can beat Roserade unless they attack first. Off the lead spot, it's Pursuited by Tyranitar because it's that frail.

Breloom: Gengar can eat Seed Bombs for breakfast and Focus Punches for a light snack and OHKO back with Hidden Power Fire (I think...) Roserade can do the exact same, but can set up Toxic Spikes if not up already or have been spinned away.

Celebi: Roserade and Gengar both counter with Hidden Power Fire. Tyranitar checks with Crunch and Pursuit. Scizor can do 400% with Bug Bite.

Electivire: If Toxic Spikes are for some reason, not up, MixVire can get a lot done. EQ variants are handled quite easily, however.

Empoleon: Magnezone traps and Bolts. Tyranitar can Earthquake while surviving an unboosted Surf.

Flygon: Eaten alive by the icy fangs of Gyarados. Choice locked into Earthquake or Fire Punch let Gyarados switch in for setting up on the switch.

Gengar: Gengar can kill himself. That's how cool he is. Other than that, Tyranitar is a nice check, but risks being KO'd.

Gliscor: Gyarados can Ice Fang him for a 2HKO, or boost one and OHKO. Other than that, nothing else, but he can't do much to the team except maybe set up, or Knock Off an item.

Gyarados: Gyarados can kill himself. Epic, isn't it? Magnezone can OHKO while resisting all attacks except Earthquake.

Heatran: Tyranitar can Earthquake while taking Earth Powers. TormentTran is handled by Gyarados, as he resists both Fire Blast/Lava Plume and Earth Power while dealing good damage by alternating Waterfall and Stone Edge.

Heracross: Gengar can take everything except a Night Slash and OHKO with Hidden Power Fire (I think...) Gyarados resists all attacks except Stone Edge and does a number with Waterfall. With Heracross, it's OHKO or be OHKOd.

Infernape: Gyarados acts as a check. Gengar can semi-stall with Protect and outspeed and hit it with Shadow Ball. Usually KOs, and there are other ways to kill Infernape with Gengar, but involves another pokemon dying. So, the fact that I must sacrifice at least 1 pokemon make it a mild threat, and I also have a check in Gyarados.

Jirachi: Leads Trick first, right? I don't mind a scarf on Gengar, actually. After that, Roserade is swtiched back in and sleeps whatever decides to switch
in.

Kingdra: No dragon attack, so no real counter. Magnezone walls his STABs and Thunderbolt 2HKOs. Scizor works similarly, only setting up on Kingdra rather than killing.

Latias: Tyranitar Crunches and Pursuits. Gyarados can Ice Fang but risks an OHKO by Thunderbolt.

Lucario: Gengar can switch into an Extremespeed or Close Combat and OHKO with Focus Blast or Hidden Power Fire (I think...)

Machamp: ResTalkers without Payback are worn out by Gengar's STAB Shadow Ball. Paybackers can be Toxic stalled by Gengar by Substitute stalling.
Other than that, Payback variants are a problem, and since they're so popular now, he's a big threat. Non-ResTalkers are set to Sleep, but Lum Berry
leads are a problem...

Magnezone: If not Magnet Rise'd, Tyranitar can Earthquake. If so, Gengar can outspeed and Focus Blast for the KO.

Mamoswine: Tyranitar can Earthquake or Stone Edge while taking a STAB Earthquake. Gyarados can just set up on him if he lacks Stone Edge.

Metagross: Oh shit. Smogon, why do you advise Thunderpunch! Ice Punch and Fire Punch should always be superior according to every other pokemon that has the elemental punches. Anyways, I have no real way to counter LO or Agiligross because of their freedom to swtich attacks. Choice Band is ezpz if locked into Meteor Mash, Bullet Punch, Thunder Punch, or Ice Punch; for Magnezone can trap, set up, and kill. Leads without Thunderpunch are
vulnerable to Gyarados setting up on them. My best bet for killing Agiligross is to have Roserade sleep him before he sets up, which is essentially impossible. Agiligross is unstoppable, but Roserade can potentially Sleep Life Orbers.

Ninjask: Totally dependant on which pokemon they baton pass to. Leads can be a bitch if they sub or protect first turn. Usually I won't bother; just Toxic Spikes twice, let them get 3 Swords Dances and Hidden Power Fire to break the sub before they pass, poisoning the (non-Steel- or Flying-type) switch in. As a pokemon alone, it can't do much. Gyarados can take X-Scissors and OHKO with Stone Edge.

Porygon-Z: Gengar is immune to Tri-Attack (but prone to Dark Pulse OHKO) and OHKOs with Focus Blast. Scizor can Superpower.

Roserade: Gyarados Ice Fangs for an OHKO. Roserade and Gengar can use Hidden Power Fire for another OHKO. As a lead, the speed tie and whether Sleep Powder msises or not
determines who is victorious. If they don't run Hidden Power, then a switch to Scizor is in order, as it is most likely that they carry Shadow Ball for they fear Azelf, and Leaf Storm + Shadow Ball = set up fodder for Scizor. BWAHA!

Rotom-A: Tyranitar Crunches all of them except Rotom-C and -W.

Salamence: Gyarados Ice Fangs or Stone Edges. Tyranitar's Stone Edge.

Scizor: Magnezone traps and kills with Thunderbolt. Roserade can Hidden Power fire when Magnezone is downed.

Snorlax: If lacking Fire Punch, Boost then Break the Bricks he shat due to Scizor's presence. If he carries Fire Punch, Tyranitar can STAB Stone Edge or Crunch. We are referring to Curselax, right?

Starmie: Roserade decimates Spinners thanks to Leaf Storm. Magnezone can Thunderbolt while resisting everything. EVERYTHING. Gengar can also
Thunderbolt.

Suicune: Magnezone can hurts CMers pretty badly if we switch into the CM. SubCMers with the Surf + Hidden Power Electric combo are walled by Roserade, who can use the time to set up if not already done so and break the sub with Leaf Storm.

Togekiss: Magnezone is the best bet, taking 1/4 damage from Air Slash and OHKOing with Thunderbolt.

Tyranitar: Scizor is the absolute best Tyranitar counter. Priority Bullet Punch revenge kills DragonDance Tyranitars below 70% HP, and Scizor can outspeed and 2HKO with Brick Break vs. Adamant + Max Speed + Bulky TTar (I think...)

Weavile: Revengers are OHKOd by Scizor's Bullet Punch.

Zapdos: Gyarados can Stone Edge if Zap switches into Gyara. If it's vice versa, Tyranitar checks with Stone Edge.

Defensive Threats:

Blissey: Scizor is Blissey's worst nightmare.

Bronzong: Magnezone traps and destroys. Gyro Ball and Explosion fail to scratch Magnezone. If Mr. Zone is dead for some reason, Roserade and Gengar can both Hidden Power Fire him.

Celebi: Same as offensive: Tyranitar, Roserade, and Gengar.

Cresselia: Tyranitar easily takes Ice Beams or Psychics and dents with Crunch, or Pursuit if low on HP. Scizor can Bug Bite while also resisting the same attacks.

Forretress: Roserade can OHKO with Hidden Power Fire, as can Gengar. Magnezone can trap, but Shed Shell is growing evermore popular nowadays.

Gliscor: Since offensive usually carries Earthquake + Stone Edge, Gyarados is prone to an OHKO, but can still check.

Gyarados: Bulky Gyaras don't like other people boosting with them. Gyarads will just straight up Stone Edge on the Taunt. If they're bulkier than that, let's do it again! Tyranitar risks an OHKO by boosted Waterfall, but otherwise OHKOs with Stone Edge no problem.

Hippowdon: Waterfall courtesy of Gyarados. Roserade and Leaf Storm is even better, but risk being dented by Earthquake or Ice Fang.

Jirachi: Magnezone traps and kills. Roserade and Gengar have Hidden Power Fire.

Rotom-A: Defensive ones are the same as offensive, Waterfall by Gyarados.

Skarmory: Magnezone traps and kills those whom I KNOW has Leftovers. Gengar is a check to those with Shed Shell, as Hidden Power Fire OHKOs (I think...), but his presence forces Skarmory to switch, fearing a Thunderbolt.

Snorlax: Scizor can take care of him unless it carries Fire Punch. If it does, Tyranitar can eat it up and dent it by hitting his lower defense stat, but no super-effective damage. Tyranitar can also take unboosted Earthquakes.

Suicune: Roserade with Leaf Storm and Magnezone with Thunderbolt. Roserade works best against CroCunes, eating up their Surfs and proceeding to Leaf Storm.

Swampert: Roserade with Leaf Storm is excellent. If Swampert switches into Magnezone, he has Hidden Power Grass to OHKO before it will.

Tyranitar: Scizor is one of Tyranitar's best counters, whether it's offensive or defensive. Leads are a bitch just because of Sandstorm, which is why I, out of anger, immediately Leaf Storm and then Sleep Powder. It's not a threat, just that breaking the sash is vexing.

Vaporeon: Surf and Hidden Power Electric? Roserade can switch in for easy killings. Magnezone can also destroy it.

Zapdos: Same as offensive.

 

[YTP]

Your team is very weak to the MixVire. To fix this, I suggest you add a Rotom-H over Gengar which will not only help you counter MixVire, but a plethora of other threats while maintaining the ability to anti spin!

Being quite serious. Once MixVire grabs a boost... it looks to be game over. You could go with Swampert over Gyara as well since any good anti stall team needs SR imo...

 

[The SPrinkLer]

I'd say change Scizor to the SD set, since Tyranitar easily removes Rotom and Zapdos. On another note, I have a couple of suggestions. A mysticgar would be a better alternative to your current set, since you can scout for your opponents moves (will Scizor Pursuit or Bullet Punch) and thereby trap it with Magnezone or kill with HP Fire. Here's the set:

Gengar @ Life Orb
Timid Nature
4 hp/252 spa/252 spd
-Protect
-HP Fire
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast

As I previously stated, this set can effectively handle Scizor. Also, Gengar provides amazing synergy with Tyranitar, and this just makes it all the more alluring, since you remove Scizor better. Gengar also naturally lures Scizor out, making it easier. Also, I'd change your Magnezone's HP Fire to HP Grass, so you can better handle Swamperts that love switcing into Magnezone. Finally, if you want, change Flash Cannon to Explosion on Magnezone. Blisseys love switching into Magnezone as well, so you can kill it off. It's just a suggestion, since Tyranitar already traps Blissey, but fears Thunder Wave or Toxic. I hope this helps, and good luck with the team!

Edit: yea defnitely mixvire rapes your team, you could go with a scarf rotom over gengar. o but honestly. gyarados doesnt last long with sr and lo and ss, so id probably make it leftovers instead of lo

 

[Kumar628]

Your team is very weak to the MixVire. To fix this, I suggest you add a Rotom-H over Gengar which will not only help you counter MixVire, but a plethora of other threats while maintaining the ability to anti spin!

Being quite serious. Once MixVire grabs a boost... it looks to be game over. You could go with Swampert over Gyara as well since any good anti stall team needs SR imo...

True, but if Gyarados has a Dragon Dance set up, then Elecitivire is gone for good by Stone Edge, an OHKO, and if they do have Electivire and Gyarados has come in on something like CB Scizor locked into Bullet Punch, then they'd switch to Electivire, I'd DD, and OHKO with Stone Edge...unless I miss...but yes, if it does manage to grab a boost, it is over, unless it misses the Cross Chop on Tyranitar, then we're fine. Also, if it's the Earthquake variant, Tyranitar will live through it and EQ back for an OHKO. Swampert > Gyara would mean MixNape would destroy this team without the need of any boost (but needs Gengar dead), OHKOing everything with his attacks. Fire Blast takes out Roserade and Scizor; Close Combat takes out Magnezone and Tyranitar; and Grass Knot takes out Swampert. Also, may I note, it's quite easy for Gengar to be dead because of his weak physical defense. EDIT: Also, remember that Toxic Spikes are in play. When he switches in, he loses 49 HP, which increases per turn. If I hit him with Gengar's Shadow Ball, within 2 turns (3 if needing to swtich to Gengar) he's dead.

Also, I only named it Fall of Stall because it's catchy, but this team is just supposed to be bulky-ish offensive.

EDIT: @ Sprinkles: I see how that set can work, it seems quite effective. It also doesn't let MixVire get his precious boost, and thus Gengar can hit him, too. We'll try that out and see how it fares, as well as SD Scizor.

Thanks for the lightning-fast input, guys, and everyone else please keep it coming!

EDIT v2: Ok, so now everyone sees how teams are MixVire weak when I make one that is MixVire weak. But when I say it to other people it's a nono. *Sigh* Internets >_>

 

[frogbandit]

If you're looking for a move to replace Stun Spore, why not go with Hidden Power Fire? HP Fire deals with the Scizor and the Forretress commonly switching in to Roserade trying to KO with Bullet Punch or spin away Toxic Spikes. You could also go with Hidden Power Ice, it provides a nice surprise factor and can hit Salamence switch-ins, and KOing it.


Yeah, you are a bit MixVire weak. I suggest Rotom-H in place of Gengar if your friend doesn't mind. It counters both of them and gives you a good spin-blocker, which is especially useful because you have Roserade as your lead.

Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Spe
~ Thunderbolt / Discharge
~ Shadow Ball / Hidden Power Fighting
~ Overheat
~ Will-O-Wisp / Reflect

This set takes all Electivire's attacks with ease. It also can provide Screen or Status support, and a good check to Gengar if you run Shadow Ball. You can also opt for Discharge if you'd like the paralysis boost, but I usually prefer more power.

 

[Kumar628]

Yes, but we're still debating with each other (and I'm debating with myself) over crippling another pokemon by cutting its speed in half, or taking out Forretress. One downside to Stun Spore is if they stay in, they know I have Stun Spore, and I'll be in panick and total mindgames confusion (will he switch assuming that I will set up or should I keep Stun Sporing to cripple the possible switch in?), but Hidden Power Fire only covers Forretress, while Tentacruel can still come in and absorb the Toxic Spikes and set up his own, while taking only neutral damage from Leaf Storm and his respectable base 120 Special Defense. I know he isn't popular, but he can definitely screw up the set up (even if I set him asleep, he can just keep switching in and out, absorbing and resetting my Toxic Spikes).

Yea, I see the MixVire weakness, but since he's Toxic or Poisoned on the switch (losing 49 HP per turn with Poison, more with Toxic), it's not a big weakness, and as all of these people keep telling me, "He is very uncommon in OU..." which now convinces me not to care for him. Unless they all want to become hypocritical, then I'm fine with that, too. Just pointing that out ;) But, yea, he can be handled, but he can also cause problems. However, if I go with MysticGar (whom christoko has agreed seems better than SubGar) then there's no way he can get a Motor Drive boost, which is essentially how he can kill off all of my team.

Thanks again for the input, we appreciate it.

 

[Taang]

Hello!

Solid team you have there but here we go. Anyways the main core of the team is obviously solid and well built but CB Tyranitar seems to be the weak link. As you've stated in saying that your thinking of changing him to a DD varient and I completly agree with this. With a set of 252 Att/252 Spe/4 HP and a Jolly nature this will give you a good sweeper that can come in on those fire resists and set up. If you manage to do so, this will greatly help you defeat troublesome threats.

The other thing I see wrong with this team is the rather massive Infernape weakness. Other than Gyarados (who still takes a decent chunk from GK) you really have no solid counter with this I suggest you replace Gengar at the cost of your friend, with Rotom-h
Here's the set:

Rotom-h @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Trick
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Overheat

This will allow you to revenge Infernape, Lucario, Scizor, and many other Pokemon while retaining solid synergy with Tyranitar & Magnezone. This will also give you a good way to cripple stall and other defensive Pokemon. This set will also act as an effective rapid spinner that has more natural bulk to boast about.

Nice team & gl ;]

 

[Void]

Ice Fang is for Salamence, Gliscor, and Hippowdon, the latter will dent Gyarados badly with Stone Edge otherwise.

Yeah, sure, use Ice Fang on Hippowdon while you still have Waterfall.

Anyway, replacing Stun Spore on Roserade could be a good idea, as Stun Spore is pretty much redundant and doesn't help much in achieving the primary goal, which is to set up Toxic Spikes.

Also, Gyarados definitely needs Leftovers. You are already getting enough power from DD, Life Orb just makes Gyarados die faster. It takes 25% damage from SR as it is, that added with damage taken from any attacks while you are setting up, Gyarados isn't going to sweep much before dieing.

..........MixVire weak? That's one thing, but how many Electivires do we see nowadays anyway? If you're really worried about that though, just do what everyone else says and use Rotom-A over Gengar.

 

[Sheshi]

Hello!
This set will also act as an effective rapid spinner that has more natural bulk to boast about.

Excuse me?

Anyway...
Void, mixvires are uncommon, but do you really want to take the chance? Rotom-H would be the best option IMO, and paneity's set works well, but I recommend the physically defensive Rotom-h tbh.
Rotom-h @ leftovers
252 HP, 168 DEF, 88 SPE
-Thunderbolt
-Shadow Ball
-Overheat
-Will-O-Wisp

 

[cmurph]

I tried to post this earlier today, not sure why it didn't show up. Anyway, you seem to think that electric resists water because you keep talking about using Gyara's stone edge on Rotom or Electivire instead of waterfall. Electric doesn't resist water, so no need to rely on stone edge's 80% accuracy and lower power. Also I think Gyara should only use LO on Heavy Offense. On a bulky offense team I think leftovers is the superior option because it allows you to make better use of Gyara's bulk and resistances. Another thing, why do you need a toxic spikes lead? Toxic spikes, IMO, is only good on offensive teams when you're using something like Empoleon or Suicune that needs them to outstall its counters. I'd change Roserade to a standard SR lead. If you want to stay with the status thing you could change to Smeargle

Don't worry about your mixvire weakness. No one gives a shit about mixvire

 

[Kumar628]

I tried to post this earlier today, not sure why it didn't show up. Anyway, you seem to think that electric resists water because you keep talking about using Gyara's stone edge on Rotom or Electivire instead of waterfall. Electric doesn't resist water, so no need to rely on stone edge's 80% accuracy and lower power.

Oh...well that's odd...Anyways, I'll be sure to add that in soon.

Toxic spikes, IMO, is only good on offensive teams when you're using something like Empoleon or Suicune that needs them to outstall its counters. I'd change Roserade to a standard SR lead. If you want to stay with the status thing you could change to Smeargle

Don't worry about your mixvire weakness. No one gives a shit about mixvire

Yea, but it has helped. Stealth Rock could be more beneficial, which is why we are also considering a Gliscor lead. Gliscor because he can come back later in the game, and he synergizes with the team.

Water goes to Gyarados.
Ice goes to Magnezone and Scizor.

And he sort of helps against Electivire because he can come in on a Tbolt, then outspeed and OHKO with Earthquake. I'll get christoko to test out a Gliscor Lead. Either Gliscor or anything else that synergizes well with the team and outspeeds + KOs Electivire.

Thanks for the tips.

EDIT: @ paneity - Infernape can't rape my team that greatly. If he kills one pokemon while he's at full HP, he loses 29HP that turn for Life Orb and even more with Toxic. Then, Gengar switches in, Protects first turn, loses more HP, then KOs with Shadow Ball. Essentially, if Gengar isn't out already, Infernape will kill one pokemon, but Gengar also has a good chance to kill him. But, yes, he is a mild threat, but christoko doesn't consent with changing Gengar anyways :P

EDIT v2: Final touches to make the OP as polished and nice-looking and readable as possible. Threat list updated with Defensive threats and edited with the new set changes in mind.

 

[MetaGross66]

This team is pretty solid, however, I see a weakness to babiri DDtar as it is meant to beat scizor and then sweep. You can add a fighter as I really don't see SDscizor doing much for you. Machamp can work well here for you as it kills T-tar and easily provides you with an annoyer of some sort.

As for Gyarados, I'd suggest leftovers as the item since it's getting worn out really quickly under SS and LO damage worsens this. SR also cuts its usefulness by a good margin.

 

[Kumar628]

Thanks for rating!

Considering most DDTars are advised to have Fire Punch over Aqua Tail or Earthquake just for Scizor, Tyranitar can swtich in on a Fire Punch and 2HKO with Earthquake (or OHKO with Toxic damaging twice (I think...)) If they carry Aqua Tail or Earthquake, then they're a threat. So, this makes Tyranitar a milked threat.

Regarding Gyarados, I agree with Leftovers, but I am also testing Splash Plate for the extra damage on Waterfall, but no residual damage. It's sort of a balance between bulk and power, just like Iron Plate on Scizor, but without the bluffing of Choice Band mindgame. So, if Splash Plate works out, I'll put it on, but if Leftovers works better, then that goes on. So far Life Orb has done much good, but I'm mostly spamming Waterfall anyways...

 

[ARandomDude]

The Fall of Stall doesn't seem like a fitting title for a team that looks like it will have plenty of problems against stall (unless I'm missing something).

First, I would recommend changing your Scizor set to

Scizor@Iron Plate/Life Orb
200 HP/56Atk/252 SpD or 200 HP/252 Atk/56Spe Adamant
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Brick Break/Superpower
-Roost

Gives your team some needed recovery, since it doesn't pack the sheer power needed to break stall.
Second, I would put Explosion on Magnezone over Flash Cannon. Flash Cannon really is a useless STAB given the predominantly Steel/Water metagame.

On Gengar, I would suggest the Substitute set for extra effectiveness vs TTar and Scizor, as well as having something to do against Blissey.
Gengar @ Leftovers
100Atk/156SpA/252Spe
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Punch
-HP Fire
Focus Punch is a more accurate alternative to Focus Blast, and actually dents Blissey.

Also, on Gyarados, you said you would outrun ScarfLatias, which is actually wrong. Adamant Gyarados reaches 522 Speed at +2, which is outrun by scarfers with over 348 speed (i.e. Latias). I would change this to Jolly, unless you want to be gutsy with a TTar switch-in.

 

[Kumar628]

The Fall of Stall doesn't seem like a fitting title for a team that looks like it will have plenty of problems against stall (unless I'm missing something).

Yep, you are. It's not stall-breaking or anti-stall, rather offensive. It doesn't look HO to me, nor bulky.

First, I would recommend changing your Scizor set to

Scizor@Iron Plate/Life Orb
200 HP/56Atk/252 SpD or 200 HP/252 Atk/56Spe Adamant
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Brick Break/Superpower
-Roost

Gives your team some needed recovery, since it doesn't pack the sheer power needed to break stall.
Second, I would put Explosion on Magnezone over Flash Cannon. Flash Cannon really is a useless STAB given the predominantly Steel/Water metagame.

Well, we aren't breaking stall.
Couldn't the Flash Cannon vs. Explosion thing be compared to Metagross and Meteor Mash vs. Explosion? Going by your logic, Meteor Mash sucks equally compared to Explosion. I don't mind being walled by Blissey, either.

On Gengar, I would suggest the Substitute set for extra effectiveness vs TTar and Scizor, as well as having something to do against Blissey.
Gengar @ Leftovers
100Atk/156SpA/252Spe
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Punch
-HP Fire
Focus Punch is a more accurate alternative to Focus Blast, and actually dents Blissey.

Tried this set with Focus Blast, doesn't really matter, I haven't seen Blissey in ages and a day. Also, MysticGar seems better (as we are not anti-stall.)

Also, on Gyarados, you said you would outrun ScarfLatias, which is actually wrong. Adamant Gyarados reaches 522 Speed at +2, which is outrun by scarfers with over 348 speed (i.e. Latias). I would change this to Jolly, unless you want to be gutsy with a TTar switch-in.

Woops, I better go edit that. Thanks for the heads up. But it outspeeds Modest ScarfLatias, right? :P

Thanks for the help!

 

[Kumar628]

*Bump w/ Update*

Alrighty, so, christoko is pretty much done testing Gliscor as a lead until I test him with the other experimental subjects, and he is still unsure about whether it is more suitable or not.

gliscor's fine, it's just that toxic breaks some walls and threats. by taking continuous hits, toxic's magic starts taking its toll and that's better than a clean sweep. however, SR gives Gyarados and Salamence, two pokes that can cause problems for Gyarados and Tyranitar because of intimidate, a much harder time switching in. it also hits everything for residual damage, ensuring OHKOs and turning some 2HKOs into OHKOs which you had previously mentioned. it's a mixed result for both, and they equal out with our team's threats. I guess we'll move on from that consideration and get onto DDTar testing with Roserade leading. from there, if it works out, I suppose you'll try it with Gliscor leading?

In summation, Gliscor = Roserade by testing. Gliscor uses SR and Roserade uses TS. So, by the transitive property, we can say that SR = TS.

Moving onto DDTar testing, in the meantime please rate?

 

[Rook]

I'll be honest, you are in no way MixVire weak. The only electric move on your team is from Magnezone, which you are mostly using to trap steels anyway. If they're trapped, they can't switch to MixVire to grab the speed boost. If they switch in after you killed a steel, obviously you can just switch out. Besides, MixVire is really irrelevant anyways.

Okay, you are currently weak to BabibriTar, with Earthquake instead of Fire Punch. Stone Edge still OHKO's Scizor, and from there it easily OHKO's everything else.I would suggest changing Gyrados to Swampert, specifically the lead set. It doesn't have to be in the lead posistion though.

Swampert@Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
Ability: Torrent
252 HP/252 Def/ 4 Atk
~Ice Beam
~Earthquake
~Surf / Stealth Rock
~Roar / Protect

This could go over your Gyrados. It helps get stealth rock up, which is good for any team. It also provides a solid physical wall, and provides a pretty much end all counter to Tyranitar. I would definitely change Ttar to a DD variant. With Magnezone around, it can sweep much easier with the steels gone that commonly plague its sweep: ScarfRachi, CBScizor, and Skarmory. With these three steels gone, Tyranitar will have a much easier time sweeping. I would also reccomend changing Scizor to a CB variant. Bullet Punch will hit a lot harder, further supporting Ttar sweep. It can also KO Salamence with just a bit of residual damage, whereas Leftovers Scizor cannot.

Summary:

DDTar > CBTar
CBScizor > SDScizor
LeadsSwampert > DDGyrados

P.S. The only reason people said you're MixVire weak is because you're the one who initially brought it up, and people don't like hypocrites (even though you're not MixVire weak in any way).

 

[Kumar628]

Well, I can't weave my way out of that one. Swampert IS a great Tyranitar counter, maybe one of the few that can directly handle all sets (that don't have Grass Knot.) Stealth Rock support couldn't hurt, too, maybe some phazing to rack up more damage for an easier sweep for Tyranitar or Scizor. However, if that's my game, Hippowdon would be better at phazing because of instant heal and Sand Stream for extra damage. STAB Earthquake hurts Tyranitar enough to be in killing range of Bullet Punch (I think) which solves that problem. I also see that Swampert is a synergy burden. Gyarados resists 4/6 of TTar's weaknesses, while Swampert resists Fire and Steel. Likewise for Hippowdon, but it resists nothing except Rock for Gyarados. I understand they are excellent Tyranitar counters, but the overall synergy loss can hurt the team, most notably, Tyranitar, were I to drop Gyarados for either. If Tyranitar is in big Scizor trouble, Gyarados can come in with nothing to fear. Swampert can still take hits, too, yes, but a U-Turn really hurts Swampy, whereas Gyarados resists everything Scizor's got (bar Pursuit.) and forces a switch, which gets a DD. All I'm really saying is: synergy is lost to Tyranitar (and Magnezone.)

A to your P.S: I didn't bring it up per se, I just said that MixVire is not on my team (in my OP) and YTP was the first to say that this team is MixVire weak, which I believed it wasn't in the first place because of the many scenarios where it dies from one attack and residual damage.

Thanks for the rate!!

 

[reachzero]

Actually, you are MixVire weak, and badly so. Electivire without a Motor Drive boost already outspeeds every member of your team except Gengar, and OHKOs all of them easily without letting them so much as get a hit in. If Electivire does come in on Magnezone's Thunderbolt, you're finished. Actually, I'm not at all sure why you have Magnezone, since none of your Pokemon particularly benefit from removing Scizor. I recommend that you switch out Magnezone for Rotom-H (since you still need to cover Gyarados), and Latias for Gengar (better defensive coverage, you don't really want two Ghosts on the same team).

 

[animenagai]

1. I would replace roserade with celebi. That would give you an SR lead without giving up on the nice water resistance it has. Using gliscor would mean getting raped by starmie and you don't want that.

2. You're decently heatran weak as most teams are. Gyara and T-tar can be worn out without too much difficulty. I would personally like seeing rest gyara or vaporeon over the gyara you have right now.

3. Yeah, you're a bit stall weak. To break stall, I think the best thing to do is to force the opening, rather than getting into prediction wars. I like bait tar, that is a tyranitar holding expert belt/dark glasses/muscle band faking CB, with superpower and pursuit. That way, you can switch into bliss, pursuit as it protects and smash it with superpower the next turn. Bliss won't be switching out as it'll think you're CB'd and locked inito pursuit. Once you smash it, you can do some major damage with gengar and maggy.

4. I prefer the scizor banded. You're kinda mence weak right now so I would like a more reliable check.

Hope I helped.

 

[Kumar628]

Actually, you are MixVire weak, and badly so. Electivire without a Motor Drive boost already outspeeds every member of your team except Gengar, and OHKOs all of them easily without letting them so much as get a hit in. If Electivire does come in on Magnezone's Thunderbolt, you're finished.

Magnezone's one and only mission is to TRAP and get rid of steels. I understand Forretress and Skarmory can both get out with Shed Shell and switch to Electivire on the Thunderbolt, thus granting a Motor Drive boost. However, I can easily decipher whether they carry Leftovers or not. 6% per turn? They've got Leftovers and Magnezone can kill them without worry. If not, and they aren't at low enough health for anyone else to kill them, Magnezone would come in and Thunderbolt. The only way for Electivire to get a boost is if I take the risk of coming in on Skarmory or Forretress that do not carry Leftovers and switch to Electivire. Besides, another (and more probable) option in that situtation is to Substitute on the switch, so if they do have Electivire and switch him in on the Sub, HP Grass won't kill, but Magnezone will use it and switch out to Tyranitar or someone else. In essence, there is a very low chance of Electivire grabbing a boost when Magnezone is TRAPPING. Without a boost, Gengar can Protect first turn to let Toxic damage build, Shadow Ball, and then he'll die from Toxic at the end of the turn, if not from Shadow Ball.

Actually, I'm not at all sure why you have Magnezone, since none of your Pokemon particularly benefit from removing Scizor. I recommend that you switch out Magnezone for Rotom-H (since you still need to cover Gyarados), and Latias for Gengar (better defensive coverage, you don't really want two Ghosts on the same team).

Magnezone weakens Metagross with Thunderbolt without the rest of my team getting raped by MGross if he switches in on a Meteor Mash, Thunderpunch, or Bullet Punch. Magnezone isn't the Scizor rapist. That's Rotom-H. Magnezone is the Steel Killer (more or less) and that's how we use him. However, we might be willing to switch Magnezone for Rotom-H, but christoko surely will not switch Gengar, and thus, no Rotom-H. Unless Latias for Magnezone would work, which I doubt.

1. I would replace roserade with celebi. That would give you an SR lead without giving up on the nice water resistance it has. Using gliscor would mean getting raped by starmie and you don't want that.

True. This is if we opt for Stealth Rock in the end. I assume we will with DDTar.

2. You're decently heatran weak as most teams are. Gyara and T-tar can be worn out without too much difficulty. I would personally like seeing rest gyara or vaporeon over the gyara you have right now.

Actually, we have also been considering that. Also, CroCune or ResTalk w/ Surf + HP Electric can work now that I think about it, ridding Gyarados and Heatran.

3. Yeah, you're a bit stall weak. To break stall, I think the best thing to do is to force the opening, rather than getting into prediction wars. I like bait tar, that is a tyranitar holding expert belt/dark glasses/muscle band faking CB, with superpower and pursuit. That way, you can switch into bliss, pursuit as it protects and smash it with superpower the next turn. Bliss won't be switching out as it'll think you're CB'd and locked inito pursuit. Once you smash it, you can do some major damage with gengar and maggy.

I like that idea, but again, I haven't seen Blissey in ages and a day. Either way, it switches into Toxic Spikes, it's already broken as a wall.

4. I prefer the scizor banded. You're kinda mence weak right now so I would like a more reliable check.

This is where TSpikes vs. SRock comes in. With SR, non-bulky Mences are KO'd by Scizor's Bullet Punch, while it takes 2 turns with TS. If DDTar works, we'll most likely lean towards Stealth Rock, whch gets rid of Gyarados and Mence as threats altogether.

I could also use Iron Plate Scizor, imitating CB and hitting Blissey with Superpower after it Protects, just like Bait Tar, except we won't give up a powerful Jolly DDTar sweeper. With the set of Bullet Punch/Superpower/Bug Bite or U-Turn or Pursuit/Roost or U-Turn or Bug Bite or Pursuit. I just think heal is a good option. Anyways, would that work?

Hope I helped.

You did :)

Thanks again for rating, guys!

 

[animenagai]

If you're wondering if you should run toxic spikes or SR, I think the answer is obvious - you have to run SR. There's nothing wrong with running both but toxic spikes is not a replacement for SR. You're already decently DDmence weak with the scizor you have now, even CB scizor only counters mence after it has taken SR damage. All it takes is for your T-tar to get stuck in EQ or pursuit and it's GG the way the team is now. Run SR man. It's the only true staple in pokes right now. Most teams laugh at toxic spikes anyways, so unless you're building around it, forget it.

 

[yond]

Your team is very weak to the MixVire.

Edit: yea defnitely mixvire rapes your team, you could go with a scarf rotom over gengar. o but honestly. gyarados doesnt last long with sr and lo and ss, so id probably make it leftovers instead of lo

Yeah, you are a bit MixVire weak. I suggest Rotom-H in place of Gengar if your friend doesn't mind. It counters both of them and gives you a good spin-blocker, which is especially useful because you have Roserade as your lead.

Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Spe
~ Thunderbolt / Discharge
~ Shadow Ball / Hidden Power Fighting
~ Overheat
~ Will-O-Wisp / Reflect

Actually, you are MixVire weak, and badly so.

That Should Let You Know that you need to do something about Mixvire. I have Bolded the set thanks to Frogbandit which will minimize that weakness and help out your team without ruining the synergy.

1. I would replace roserade with celebi. That would give you an SR lead without giving up on the nice water resistance it has. Using gliscor would mean getting raped by starmie and you don't want that.
4. I prefer the scizor banded. You're kinda mence weak right now so I would like a more reliable check.

Hope I helped.

On a side not i HIGHLY suggest doing both these things. Toxic Spikes doesn't his as many highly used pokes are you think. (i.e: scizor , gyarados , mence , rachi , heatran , metagross , flygon, latias, etc)
On the other hand stealth rocks is quite helpful in not only hitting these pokes, but almost all stall breakers require stealth rocks and stealth rocks hit a much more wider range of pokes. If you need poison support that bad i would suggest going with.

Heatran@leftovers
Timid/Flash fire
4hp/252spA/252speed
Moves
-substitute
-fire blast
-earth power
-toxic


It also provides you with a good source fire blast stab.
I suggest it over magnezone since you don not really need a trapper even though you emphasize it so much. Gyara(Use Leftovers By the way, its much more reliable on gyara) is a scizor counter enough.
Though its not necessary.(it will also not alter the synergy of your team)

Scizor being banded is a no brainer.
with Salamence being the number one OU threat you need that reliable Bullet Punch and without choice band (or stealth rocks not to mention) you can consider yourself done.

Hope it helps

 

[WoOoShoOo!!]

Electevire weak..

Really? Kumar628, if that's the case then I suggest you keep Roserade for later as you don't really need T-Spikes. Here's the thing: E-vire switches in on your Roserade, you Sleep Powder as it Ice punch you. Focus sash activation, switch to Gyara and get at least 1 DD just to OHKO it with Waterfall. By the way you can try Trick room on Gengar as it would allow Scizor and Ttar to severely weaken your opponents team, also allowing Scizor to fully use Bug Bite.. Good Luck!!