3 Big-Mouth Beasts and 3 Mouthless Ninjas [OU Joint RMT | Kumar628 + christoko]
Roserade @ Focus Sash
Natural Cure
Timid
252SATK/4SDEF/252SPE
~Toxic Spikes
~Hidden Power [Fire]
~Sleep Powder
~Leaf Storm
Scizor @ Leftovers
Technician
Adamant
252ATK/4SDEF/252SPE
~Swords Dance
~Bug Bite
~Brick Break
~Bullet Punch
Gyarados @ Life Orb
Intimidate
Adamant
252ATK/4SDEF/252SPE
~Dragon Dance
~Waterfall
~Ice Fang
~Stone Edge
Gengar @ Life Orb
Levitate
Timid
4HP/252SATK/252SPE
~Protect
~Hidden Power [Fire]
~Shadow Ball
~Focus Blast
Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Sand Stream
Adamant
176HP/252ATK/76SDEF
~Crunch
~Stone Edge
~Earthquake
~Pursuit
Magnezone @ Leftovers (dear god, that yellow hurts my eyes!)
Magnet Pull
Timid
4DEF/252SATK/252SPE
~Substitute
~Thunderbolt
~Flash Cannon
~Hidden Power [Grass]
Notes:
-All changes are in Italics
-All changes are in Italics
3 Big-Mouth Beasts & 3 Mouthless Ninjas
Not "The Fall of Stall"
Not "The Fall of Stall"
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Introduction - Backround Info
Hello, everyone. I'm Kumar628, but some people like to call me "MixVire weak." And my buddy christoko has not posted here, but he has played on Shoddy before and played pokemon competitively with me for quite a while. It was more like a phase to pass the time in class during school, but we grew curious as to the competitive side of pokemon. We always fought against each other and with friends, but never got around to putting our heads together in something other than math. We decided to form a team together and include our favorite pokemon that also cope with the metagame (FYI, MIXVIRE IS NOT IN THIS!) and the team as a whole. So, here we are, our first joint RMT, after a couple days of discussion (mostly on the lead), we have our team.
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Introdcution - Team Building
So, we started off with the idea of having our favorite pokemon in the team, right? He wanted his beloved Gengar, and I wanted my Tyranitar slapped in there. So, here's our start, and it's a pretty good one at that, I'd say.
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And so, with good synergy right there, in itself, we wanted to continue a good synergy, and from here, we decided to go offensive. I don't know why we had to decide that, I mean, it's Gengar and Tyranitar, two incredibly offensive pokemon. On the second day of discussion, I was looking through RMTs and found one that emphasized the core of Gengar, Tyranitar, and Magnezone (RMT Name Shades of G(r)ay). Coincidentally, we both love Magnezone and his magnets, for they reap Scizor, Skarmory, and Forretress. Who cares if they have a Shed Shell? They switch, more residual damage for us. Oh, residual damage...another point came in here. Anyways, isn't it awesome that such a great core also happen to be our favorite pokemon?
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Ok, we have the core, and as I mentioned before, we have a fork in the road with residual damage. We automatically agreed upon it being set up by a lead, but we were deciding which was more beneficial: Toxic Spikes or Stealth Rock or Spikes? We barred Spikes because it was not reliable at all, as the damage can be healed by certain pokes, and there's too many levvies and flyers in OU. From my experience, Toxic Spikes are very effective on offensive teams and causes status for the other poke, which means that it can be healed off, but with attacks bombarding at it every turn, the opponent is as good as gone. To add onto this, it gives the opponent status, i.e. it can only be gotten rid of by Aromatheraby and the like. On the other hand, Stealth Rock hits everything. EVERYTHING for residual damage, and turns 2HKOs into OHKOs, and doesn't let Gyarados or Salamence switch in so easily. We also did not want a suicide lead, and we wanted some synergy. So, we came up with Roserade for Toxic Spikes, and Gliscor for Stealth Rock. Back and forth, back and forth, we finally went with Roserade, to cripple the lead and setup Toxic Spikes, which has proven to be great for making big threats significantly easier with proper stalling. This one didn't include opinion (because we both love Gliscor), we just wanted something to make our other favorite pokemon happier.
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Alrighty, so now we have a solid lead, and a nice and happy core. 2 spots are open, and we decide that they are each for our respective favorite pokemon. christoko had some trouble with his, but I let him take his time, for whatever he wanted I would find a synergizing poke amongst my favorite pokemon. In the end, he was questioning himself. More specifically, "Why the f*** am I taking so long to think? It's an offensive team, and I love Scizor. Christ." And so, Scizor was added. My turn. Heatran's a nice synergy, right? Sure, but I hate him and he's too predictable with Scizor nowadays. There is one monster capable of running through teams once set up, and with Scizor and Tyranitar, can take all of their respective weaknesses and switch in, set up on the switch, and reap the team. His name is Gyarados, one of my favorite pokemon for his moustache. The synergy and offense he delivers alongside the core and his partner in crime (specifically, rape), Scizor, is excellent. A great addition to the team these two were. And this is our final product, sum, difference, and quotient:
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In-Depth Analyses
Mouthless Ninja #1 - Rose

Roserade @ Focus Sash
Natural Cure
Timid
252SATK/4SDEF/252SPE
~Toxic Spikes
~Hidden Power [Fire]
~Sleep Powder
~Leaf Storm
The most reliable Toxic Spikes lead in OU (Forretress isn't a lead, silly) and it comes with crippling two pokemon! Excellent.
Nature, EVs, and Item: Simple enough. Timid because we need to outspeed anything we can, alongside 252 Speed EVs we can do so. Focus Sash because anything physical will get rid of Roserade, and we need to live to see one layer of Toxic Spikes up.
Moveset and Strategy: Even simpler. 1. Sleep Powder and pray it doesn't miss (if they're faster, take the hit/let them set up first. Or switch out). 2. Proceed to Toxic Spikes. 3. Hidden Power Fire or Leaf Storm to kill Rapid Spinners (Forretress, Starmie, Donphan, Tentacruel (lesser extent))and repeat if Rapid Spin has occured. Repeat all when needed. If we have two layers and we're hanging on with our Focus Sash, Leaf Storm will dent anything that doesn't resist it, coming off of 349 Special Attack, it's a great way to finish.Hidden Power Fire also hurts Metagross leads quite badly, as well as Skarmory who might try to OHKO with Brave Bird or set up.
Synergy:
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Mouthless Ninja #2 - Sindy

Scizor @ Leftovers
Technician
Adamant
252ATK/4SDEF/252SPE
~Swords Dance
~Bug Bite
~Brick Break
~Bullet Punch
Nature, EVs, and Item: Adamant and 252 Attack EVs are for maximum power, topping at 394.Because we're bulky-ish offense, Leftovers allows Scizor to stay in longer, taking in neutral and resisted attacks. Occa berry can also help, allowing Scizor to safely the the hit (most notably, ScarfTran's Fire Blast) and retaliate. However, Leftovers is good enough for being overall bulky. EVs changed to the most offensive spread of Swords Dance Scizor, to outspeed Modest + max speed Magnezone.
Moveset and Strategy: Because we decided that Swords Dance is more beneficial to the team, the strategy is altered. Coming in on any of his resistances, Scizor can set up on the switch and Bullet Punch until met with a counter, or something Bullet Punch can't dent. If the case is allowing his other moves to hit for good damage and not risk an OHKO, simply use the respective move i.e. Brick Break for Empoleon. Just like the strategy for any stat-booster set.
Synergy:
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Big-Mouth Beast #1 - Gyanti

Gyarados @ Life Orb
Intimidate
Adamant
252ATK/4SDEF/252SPE
~Dragon Dance
~Waterfall
~Ice Fang
~Stone Edge
Nature, EVs, and Item: Again, the emphasis on power for this beast is capping at 383 Attack. The Speed EVs are used to outspeed anything neutral base 80 + maxed speed and below, most notably, Tyranitar. Life Orb is to add an extra kick to his attacks, essentially boosting his Attack stat as a whole, climbing to 498 Attack, at the cost of 10% HP per attack but with the freedom to swtich moves.
Moveset and Strategy: Ahh, due to Synergy, Miss Moustachio will Dragon Dance on the switch, or eat up an attack they assume will hit hard, and wreack havoc among their team. Sometimes it's possible to get 2 Dragon Dances off, allowing his to outspeed Scarf Latias (Modest w/ Max EVs, or Timid with <240 EVs), who would KO with Thunderbolt otherwise. So, Dragon Dance to boost, and Waterfall for a nice STAB which has good coverage in itself. Ice Fang is for Salamence, Gliscor, and Flygon, which is great, because Gliscor and Flygon can both hurt Gyarados with Stone Edge. Stone Edge is for opposing Gyarados and Zapdos, two very harsh counters to Gyarados.
Synergy:
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Big-Mouth Beast #2 - Ginger

Gengar @ Life Orb
Levitate
Timid
4HP/252SATK/252SPE
~Protect
~Hidden Power [Fire]
~Shadow Ball
~Focus Blast
Nature, EVs, and Item: Again, Timid and max speed to outrun anything base 110 neutral + maxed speed and below, and tie with Timid Latias and opposing Gengar. Maxed Special Attack for the brute mental force, and 4HP for filler. Life Orb is quite obvious, Gengar is too frail to take hits, and one or two Subs suffice his purpose.
Moveset and Strategy: Protect. Lovely move. Protect allows for scouting the plaguing Scizor's move. If Scizor Pursuits, for example, Gengar can HP Fire. If he Bullet Punches, Magnezone can come to take the hit. The only downside is if he sets up on the Protect or he is bluffing a CB set with Iron Plate. Aside from such; Protect, paired with 3 excellent coverage attacks in Hidden Power Fire, Shadow Ball, and Focus Blast, this set is a pain in the pokeball...yea...it is. As I said, the 3 moves provide great coverage: Hidden Power Fire handles Scizor and his Steel buddies, as well as Roserade and Breloom; Shadow Ball is a great STAB that annihilates Latias and Cresselia; and Focus Blast takes care of anything that doesn't resist it. Strategy is to come in on Earthquakes, Earth Powers, Close Combats, Fake Outs, etc; and attack directly, or predict a switch and use whatever is best against what is assumed to switch in. There's only one downside to this set: opposing Gengar switching in that do not carry Hidden Powers that require a reduction in Speed, or no Hidden Power altogether. They outspeed and OHKO Gengar with Shadow Ball, and force a switch. However, this hasn't happened as of yet, but it is something to keep an eye out for. Thanks to Sprinkles for suggesting the set!
Synergy:
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Big-Mouth Beast #3 - Tyler

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Sand Stream
Adamant
176HP/252ATK/76SDEF
~Crunch
~Stone Edge
~Earthquake
~Pursuit
Nature, EVs, and Item: Choice Band Tyranitar, no doubt my favorite set for this monstrous beast from hell (I seem to like pokemon with high attacking stats and intimidating/ugly/cool looks...) and it fits well on this team. Adamant and max attack is for simply annihilating anything I please. 176HP and 76 Special Defense allow for 385HP and 383 Special Defense (Sandstorm in account) which seems quite wierd. I don't feel as though I needed speed, because he's slower than pretty much anything, but I didn't want Brave on there for obvious reasons. Base 125 Special Attackers' stat is essentially nullified by the Special Defense given, meaning the difference goes in favor of Tyranitar, allowing him to take hit after hit (or, in Vaporeon's case, Surf after Surf) and retaliate with a decimating hit.
Moveset and Strategy: The strategy behind CBTar is to simply come in on the omnipotent Fire attack (which is emphasized by the amount of Fire weaks (3) on this team) and destroy the opposing pokemon, if at all possible. The combination of Crunch/Stone Edge make for the all-known Dark/Rock STAB combo that Tyranitar loves with all of his inexistent heart. Earthquake is there because we don't have anyone else who carries it, which is a problem. It dents Metagross and OHKO's Magnezone
and Heatran. Pursuit is to take care of weakened pokes who need to switch out, and would die trying. They do. It also hits Gengar quite hard, and it is safer to use Tyranitar rather than Scizor for Pursuiting Gengar, as Gengar is usually used in conjunction with Magnezone to trap the Pursuiting Scizor and set up on it; which is 2/3s of our core anyways :D
and Heatran. Pursuit is to take care of weakened pokes who need to switch out, and would die trying. They do. It also hits Gengar quite hard, and it is safer to use Tyranitar rather than Scizor for Pursuiting Gengar, as Gengar is usually used in conjunction with Magnezone to trap the Pursuiting Scizor and set up on it; which is 2/3s of our core anyways :D
Synergy:
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Mouthless Ninja #3 - Maggy
Mouthless Ninja #3 - Maggy

Magnezone @ Leftovers (dear god, that yellow hurts my eyes!)
Magnet Pull
Timid
4DEF/252SATK/252SPE
~Substitute
~Thunderbolt
~Flash Cannon
~Hidden Power [Grass]
Nature, EVs, and Item: We must outspeed! Timid + max speed = tie with Jolly Tyranitar, and the Standard Skarmory (I think...). Again, max Special Attack for raw mental prowess, and 4 Defense is filler (for a tiny more protection against AIDS. Close Combats and Superpowers cause AIDS, you know.) Leftovers is for bulk, as I want him to switch into steels and take whatever they dish out (unless it's a Close Combat by Lucario or Earthquake by Metagross) and just heal it off while, and after killing them.
Moveset and Strategy: Again, it is simple. Trap the beastly and robotic Steels merely by switching in, and Substitute if I live to do so. In other words, I have to predict and analyze the opponent; I'll get lucky if I switch him into a Steel who switches in on another one of my pokes (i.e. Scizor is to Gengar). Moveset is pretty standard: Thunderbolt for the epic STAB coming off of 359 Special Attack, dents anything that doesn't resist; Flash Cannon is a secondary STAB, sitting at 120BP, it can hit Rock- and Ice-types quite hard, the likes of Tyranitar and Mamoswine and even things neutral to it that Thunderbolt can't touch (Grounds) ; and finally, Hidden Power Grass is therebecause Gengar can handle Scizor himself because of Protect to scout the move. Magnezone can still function well without Hidden Power Fire, as Hidden Power Grass grants him a move to hit his usual counters for super-effective damage, namely, Swampert and his Bulky Ground buddies. Again, thanks, Sprinkles, for suggesting the change!
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Small Team Notes:
1 Pokemon weak to Stealth Rock | 3 Resistant
1 Pokemon prone to Toxic Spikes | 5 Immune
4 Pokemon prone to Spikes | 2 Immune
Toxic Spikes are the main Entry Hazards
3 Pokemon prone to Sandstorm | 3 Immune
6 Pokemon prone to Hail (oh, dear god, the color!) | 0 Immune
Has a Spin/Explosion Blocker who also kills them
Lacks an effective Revenge Killer, however, Scizor can hit things low on HP
No Rapid Spinner
Every team member has at least 2 Pokemon to synergize with for every single weakness
1 Pokemon prone to Toxic Spikes | 5 Immune
4 Pokemon prone to Spikes | 2 Immune
Toxic Spikes are the main Entry Hazards
3 Pokemon prone to Sandstorm | 3 Immune
6 Pokemon prone to Hail (oh, dear god, the color!) | 0 Immune
Has a Spin/Explosion Blocker who also kills them
Lacks an effective Revenge Killer, however, Scizor can hit things low on HP
No Rapid Spinner
Every team member has at least 2 Pokemon to synergize with for every single weakness
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We (I) Are Considering...
Changing Tyranitar's set to Dragon Dance.
Changing Roserade to Gliscor for Stealth Rock rather than Toxic Spikes.
Replacing Scizor's Leftovers with Iron Plate to bluff a Choice Band set and add more power to Bullet Punch.
Replacing Gyarados' item with either Leftovers or Splash Plate for bulk or attack boost with no cons, respectively.
Going Hyper Offensive; if so, we are open to replacement pokemon.
We (he) are Currently Testing...
Dragon Dance Tyranitar in place of Choice Band Tyranitar.
Changing Roserade Lead to Gliscor Lead.
Iron Plate on Scizor.
Splash Plate on Gyarados.
Leftovers on Gyarados.
Testing is done separate from each other, meaning, Dragon Dance Tyranitar testing is done with the current Roserade Lead and vice versa. At some point, I will include all changes into account and test the team. Iron Plate on Scizor is an exception, I will test him mixed with both separate testings in #1 & #2, and the mix of them all.
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Thank You!
Thanks from both christoko and I for reading this thread and we hope that you guys enjoyed reading it and will help us improve it as you see fit. Remember, though, we may not be willing to change pokemon per se, because this was based on "favorite pokemon," however, Roserade can be changed, as we both don't have an opinion on Roserade. However, we do have other favorite pokemon and if it seems reasonable to include them for the ones on our team, then we will defeinitely test them out as you say. But we do have the experience with this team, so we can argue what does and does not fit from our experience. But still, criticism and help is greatly appreciated. I will also consult with christoko about each suggestion you propose, and get back to you with both of our opinions on such. Again, THANK YOU!
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