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NOC The Mafia Invitational (Game Thread) [D2 Deadline: Friday, March 2nd, 6 PM EST]

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strong words but the end justifies the means. I’m playing to my win con by getting rid of identified scum as soon as possible. it’s fine if you don’t like my reasons, but that’s because paperblade asked. generally I don’t post reasons anyway, so if you want to see less of them, so it shall be
 
I want reasons based not on personal bias, and I want to see them always. I can't work with personal experiences of others especially when no one has really stepped forward to support those personal allegations.

You arguments against Josh have been useless till now in me deciding what I think of him either way, and as I said you have been boycotting an action that would create a tangible connection between Josh and the fruit case. Ultimately what I'm saying is, that if Josh is scum I think you have not been successful in meaningfully convincing the majority at all, and have been more pushing people into reading you both as town.
 
Metal Sonic said:
Ok I am on phone so my post can’t be too lengthy but I’ll lay it out in brief for you

1) I would have expected town-josh to begin early by trying to reach out to me and try to work with me ASAP.
1b) Instead of doing so, he just bitch about the game and vote randomly like a troll. In his own words “ I just want to vote the biggest wagon”. What the actual fuck. Not only is the latter scummy on its own in a vacuum, it’s explicitly not the former (1), so it’s a double strike

2) josh is actually capable as scum, or at least not-shit, which is opposite of what some people claimed in this game (empoof, walrein, yourself). Now, he is wallposting in response to my push on him, which he always does as scum. Also, the content in the wall posts is shit. Just so you don’t misunderstand that “ms is dcumreading josh for wallpostig” cos that would be dumb

3) josh and his hypothetical (but I’m not as sure) teammate empoof are suddenly townreading me in response to my push on them. I’ve told josh before that one of my main weaknesses as town when I have caught correct scum is that scum directly pockets me by townreading me, and I let go of them. Now, this may or may not be totally coincidental but it’s entirely within josh’s capability to pull such a stunt

4) ad hominem. Instead of further trying to work with my reads or have a good talk, he’s just throwing ad hominem and blanket townreading me for the sole purpose to shake off my scumread on him. No attempt to work to get reads or solve the game. This sounds contradictory to my above point, but the best explanation would be to see for yourself: Compare this to empoof’s behavior to me, you’ll see a real difference

5) instead of attempting to read people now he plays bullshit mechanics about some fruit vendor nonsense. In desperate attempt to get townreads. Scum is perfectly capable of talking bullsht about mechanics rather than actual reads because it’s easier, they know everyone’s alignment already so it’s harder to come up with genuine reasoning to scumread someone they know is town

7) everything josh posted I’ve not townreading, he’s capable of posting all he has done so far as scum




This turned out to be a wall anyway but w/e you’re welcome
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1) I tried reaching out to you about the only source of content you had - your Empoof read. Then you immediately started to tunnel me. Like, that was it. Also, again, why would you expect town-Josh to explicitly reach out to you? Like, on what basis? I reach out to Asek and DLE before you any day, at the absolute least.

2) Nobody said I was incapable as scum? What content is shit exactly? I literally have a possibly setup-breaking play and nobody will play ball and it is fucking bothering me, I don't see why that is shit.

3) It isn't sudden. Go quote me where you said that, because I'm 90% sure that conversation never happened. Like, go on Discord and get the log of that happening. I started townreading you because your push on me was too nonsensical to come from scum. However, I have changed my mind again I think, because at every opportunity you refuse to acknowledge me and now I'm giving you an opportunity for the W and you're shutting it down.

4) I use ad hom in everny game ever. If you're being a fucking retard, I'll call you a fucking retard (hint: you are). I'm not going to be a sissy and play nice because Good Sportsmanship XD! And no attempt to work or get reads... are you fucking kidding? I have something gamebreaking and you are shutting it down. Fuck you. Finally, go find one single game I don't ad hom as town a bunch and I'll videotape me fucking a turtle. Short of my first two games of Mafia I don't think it exists.

5) I gave a full reads list of people which is significantly more than most players have done? Your parahraph is such a load of bullshit, again, go look at any games besides my first two and you will see a bunch of mechanics talk. If mechanics can clear people, you use them. Stop with this its easier shit.

7) No number 6 because I'm that scummy. I'm capable of doing anything as scum I'm a fucking god among men I gave birth to Jesus for christ's sake. Goodargument.php
 
LightWolf said:
I will be at my computer, and not on mobile, in 6 hours, expect my patented LightWolf Abuses the English Language Ketchup Post sometime after that. For now I made a list of posts I will reply to and have caught up.

The following post is solely in relation to the current Josh vs MS debate on the fruit vendor claiming, and is in the vacuum of those two individuals. Due to this my overall opinion on how I view both of them may be expected to be different after my big post comes out. That being said overall opinions never stopped me from nitpicking!




I care for none of your reasons, they are pointless to me.

All of it is blatantly personal and anything the general playerbase could care for is an afterthought. You want people to lynch Josh over your personal experiences, even if as you said that does not line up with what other people think of him. The argument that we should ignore all his positive looking posts is pointless, and is the larger symptom of my next point.

Your last few posts have been a blatant attempt at stopping Josh from doing anything in fear that it cleans his ass. In the end whatever Josh is up to, it creates a connection between him and the fruit man. The fact you can't objectively judge the value of tying a useless role to josh or that night kills would largely narrow down what the exact truth behind the fruit wifom is, puts you in a negative light. You have gone beyond the point where you would ever consider not getting josh lynched today.

This all is in spite of the fact that for the time you were arguing barely anyone sided with one of you being scum and the second you stop for a few pages nothing worthwhile is said. This day has been tainted by your focus on first empoof then josh, and the rest of the game is either calling all three of you town or sitting on their asses.

In the end I look forward to making people jump with my read post.

That being said vote Josh because asking for people to instantly confirm they AREN'T the fruit vendor is scummy in both meanings of the word. Outing info regardless of the claim happening is scummy, and trying to take the choice of claiming from the vendor is scummy as well.
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I am taking the choice of claiming because despite this being the invitational XD there has already been a lack of competence stated. I have something gamebreaking. Wait to judge me until after you see it. Fucking christ.
 
yknow what fuck it @ me if somebody wants to actually do the fruit vendor thing otherwise I'm avoiding this for the day I'm having people over and I can't be stressed
 
I'm just like lightly skimming stuff at the moment but I'm really confused as to why Josh is being pressured over getting the fruit vendor to claim

I can break this down when I have more time but not really sure why scum would do such a thing
 
Metal Sonic Which of those points are things you think he'd specifically do as scum? You mentioned wall posting but are the others specifically scumtells for Josh? also LW might find that post useless but I don't so I'm gonna keep asking you and others for stuff like this
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Metal, Josh, off your high horses.

I'm not sure what we get out of a D1 FV claim, but it doesn't seem terrible.

What does seem terrible is never engaging with scumreads. How you gonna scoop up those hot buddy tells if you drop 'em in a trash bin and wash your hands?
 
Metal Sonic said:
“Let’s find a way to autoclear the fruit vendor so that people can townread me”
>aren’t fruit vendors usually town anyway (>80%)
> have you ever seen a scum fruit vendor

What the fuck is the point of this? Posturing and attempting to look useful?
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Josh seems to be working off the thought that scum don't get to know other PRs off the bat. Which kinda makes sense.
 
Yeti said:
The blobs are just cute

Who realized the wizard with the crystal ball meant the post contained a read
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Meeeeee!!

replying to josh is going to be painful because I’m on phone and he’s using a com, but I’ll reply briefly

josh said he would work with DLE and asek before me... that would be interesting, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT WHERE HE DIDNT EVEN SHOW EVIDENCE OF DOING EITHER. Pure straw man. I just humbly ask any town to go over josh’s posts again, look at where he has reached out to any of the members of the playerlist to attempt to gauge their alignment / work with them on reads. Then show me evidence of doing so instead of brushing it off with “lol personality” “ lol bias” “lol ms is dumb “

All the “productive” things we can consider him to have done this game is setup spec about fruit vendors like wtf
 
Someone actually talk to me instead of hand waving my stuff that I took so long to write cos otherwise I’m going to just backseat and go “I told you so” when josh flips scum and cleans you all

I CANNOT fucking function when I have caught scum and town refuses to help me lynch them and instead goes on a wild goose chase mislynching random lynchbait or whatever. I have seen enough of this shit
 
Paperblade said:
Metal Sonic Which of those points are things you think he'd specifically do as scum? You mentioned wall posting but are the others specifically scumtells for Josh? also LW might find that post useless but I don't so I'm gonna keep asking you and others for stuff like this
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I’m not sure what your question specifically wants to know. Josh is scum and I just gave my reasons

The rest aren’t specific scumtells for josh, those are general scumtells that I will apply to every player, including all of you. I know josh better than most of this playerlist, granted, but we’re not twins or best friends for 10 years or whatever, I can’t go “josh did X he is scum”, and anyway a good player of his caliber wouldn’t have a weakness so easy to spot anyway.
 
KnightsofCydonia said:
Metal, Josh, off your high horses.

I'm not sure what we get out of a D1 FV claim, but it doesn't seem terrible.

What does seem terrible is never engaging with scumreads. How you gonna scoop up those hot buddy tells if you drop 'em in a trash bin and wash your hands?
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I don’t scoop hot buddies, I snipe the shit and throw them in trash bins because it’s cleaner and more systematic. It’s way better than slinging massive piles of shit all over the floor if you fall down. Oh, and, I wash my hands cos I’m hygienic
 
LightWolf I see you in the thread. Since you believe that my efforts are not productive, but you too have come to the conclusion that josh is scummy, then help me? Help me convince them then, since you can tell it isn’t my strongest suit. This is a team game not. Fucking yelling contest
 
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