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NOC The Mafia Invitational Redux Game Thread - GAME OVER

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had a thought
this

sounds a lot like this post from LW earlier today


Which first off, again that reasoning is such bullshit (especially coming from the person who idled the entire D1 and then told people not to consider his inactivity a factor in his alignment...) but more importantly, AG is basically just quote feeding off of LW. Now there's WIFOM of did AG steal that line of thought from a town person in an attempt to use them or conversation in a scum chat. However frankly, I feel the shallowness of that comment if pretty solidly scum on the AG side.

That said, had the slight scum ping go off in my head when realizing that LW was basically being a giant hypocrite when he said that. But eh, I guess that's not super alignment indicative? Still don't like that, but it kind of keeps him right where he is in my reads list, the most scummy person in my townblock solve.
I am the master of crying hypocrite, so excuse me but I know when I see one. I never meant that your are idling, more that your activity is in waves, big post, small small inconsequential small meh small, big post. You have those big content rich posts where you live up to the early town read you received, then I don't recall any meaningful statement coming for you for a while till it happens, essentially making you a more favourable moody. Also in all fairness there is a difference in idling trying to catch up and vanishing for a while in a game that generally town reads you, but I don't think you did that(just covering my ass in advance if I deem moody the best lynch)

I do however agree there has been a case of AG echoing some of my suspicions, especially the hitmon one, which is quite the 180 from last day where he specifically called out my suspicion on him. I wouldn't be surprised he is distancing.

Also if anyone is wondering I am doing a quick reread of two people to fire the gun I loaded the second I started posting. Wonk.
 
Ladies and Gentlemen! I present to you Chekov's Gun.

During the end of day 3 I voted Asek, despite having been on mostly Hitmon all day. This was not because Asek was actually lynchable, but because Hitmon was unlynchable. While that may sound off, hear me out first. After the Texas flip everyone, including me, immediately thought of Texas hard defending him, which was first pointed out openly by AG, oddly enough prompted by a post he knew was all made before texas died(but this post isn't about accusing AG so dropping that)

This left me in an awkward position, not only finding both texas and hawkie were dead when I was ready to pressure them, but no one would be willing to vote my biggest suspect because they might be the mason. At that point it became clear I'd not be lynching Hitmon, but that didn't mean he wasn't suspicious, so I went after him and tried to keep him being suspicious active in the mindset of all would he turn out not to be town.

Come asek's flip I began thinking about the possible mason scenarios that could bee happening today, and decided the only case where mason shouldn't claim is if they hit asek, but that only mattered if no mason died that night.

Now where am I getting with this? Simple, WHY is Hitmon still alive? Many were probably like, awww scum killed the other mason, but that mason was Yeti. I went back and read through the first two days of posts between texas and yeti, and there is no meaningful indication they are masons together(I could in retrospect maybe justify texas' general lukewarmness towards yeti being mason motivated, but that in no way felt indicative they may be masons together, especially between the more serious cases one could point out by texas). Therefore it stands to reason Yeti was killed because she was Yeti the generally townread strong player. So why would scum keep the generally also town read considered mason Hitmon alive instead, especially when they have to deal with potential two clears today. Even if they suspect asek was hit by the recruit leading to texas and hitmon both mentioning them, but that is a risk, and a conjecture when we know hitmon can't be mason in that scenario.

So what can be up in this case? Firstly I set up hitmon to take the fall today by purposely killing Yeti instead, hoping hitmon wasn't actually mason so when he doesn't claim it I can get him mislynched. My argument against that is, that for one my entire setup was pointless if hitmon was mason, and again if asek wasn't hit I left open the chance of mason either finding a clear or a scum. In addition it's not lylo and if wrong I am very likely setting myself up to be lynched, sure I can talk my way out of if it,, but if that was my intention it'd be to my benefit to just leave hitmon last and try and lylo him. Point is I can't wait to argue against people accusing me of this.

Second option. Both of us are scum and I am hardbussing hitmon. This is more likely than the first option because it wins us the game.

Thirdly is what I think, Hitmon is scum, and scum hitmon can't kill mason looking hitmon obviously. This assumes him and asek were bussing, and he killed yeti tp try and kill someone who the least people would raise an eyebrow over being killed instead of a clear mason, lucking out and hitting mason anyways.

Final option, he is mason holding out on us, claim dammit so I can put this behind me if you are frigging clean instead of wasting my time all day.

Vote Hitmonleet

BTW after rereading Texas nd Yeti I find it hard to imagine they started out as masons based on day 1, I still believe there is a 3rd mason and wamt them to claim, especially if hitmon
 
So what can be up in this case? Firstly I set up hitmon to take the fall today by purposely killing Yeti instead, hoping hitmon wasn't actually mason so when he doesn't claim it I can get him mislynched. My argument against that is, that for one my entire setup was pointless if hitmon was mason, and again if asek wasn't hit I left open the chance of mason either finding a clear or a scum. In addition it's not lylo and if wrong I am very likely setting myself up to be lynched, sure I can talk my way out of if it,, but if that was my intention it'd be to my benefit to just leave hitmon last and try and lylo him. Point is I can't wait to argue against people accusing me of this.

Of course, masons only had one recruit, so the rationale with Asek makes no sense. Furthermore, harkening back to Animals mafia, there's no way my slot makes it to LYLO, with all of my benefactors dropping like flies and Walrein's terribad plays.


Second option. Both of us are scum and I am hardbussing hitmon. This is more likely than the first option because it wins us the game.

Can confirm that this is wrong as I don't have a private chat with you. Also, there is no way scum goes so far as to bus the entire game, only nking the people who are against my lynch, just to get some towncred.

Thirdly is what I think, Hitmon is scum, and scum hitmon can't kill mason looking hitmon obviously. This assumes him and asek were bussing, and he killed yeti tp try and kill someone who the least people would raise an eyebrow over being killed instead of a clear mason, lucking out and hitting mason anyways.

That still doesn't explain all the other kills. If I was scum I'd have Knights or Former killed, and I don't think my scummates would spend multiple days killing off the people who ensured one of their own didn't get lynched and will continue to do so.

Final option, he is mason holding out on us, claim dammit so I can put this behind me if you are frigging clean instead of wasting my time all day.

M!Hitmon always holds out for a fakeclaim before claiming mason on this day, unless absolutely forced. This is the most likely of your "options" here. Don't tell me I'm being forced here.

Hot Take: Solve is Asek/AG/LW. Holding on to Yeti's thoughts from yesterday. It's the only scenario that makes sense to me, tbh.
 
Hitmon it is lovely you are repeating the same stupid points about texas and hawkie's deaths that I refuted, you overreacted to then spent two days not replying even after I went ahead and quoted it all again.

Of course, masons only had one recruit, so the rationale with Asek makes no sense. Furthermore, harkening back to Animals mafia, there's no way my slot makes it to LYLO, with all of my benefactors dropping like flies and Walrein's terribad plays.
Masons had only one recruit, which has zero bearing on the fact whether they used it on asek or recruited a third mason. My damn point was, me setting you up only works if you ain't an actual mason and Asek was found by the recruit, in any other case me attempting to lynch you here has carried massive risks if I were scum.

Secondly, YOU don't get to decide if you live to LYLO, in this scenario scum would get to decide to keep you around and in this scenario I as scum could easily do so. Pretending to be poor little mislynch bait does not work when at this point I'm in more gamesolves than you and the biggest suspect ag right now is the only one pushing you besides me.

Can confirm that this is wrong as I don't have a private chat with you. Also, there is no way scum goes so far as to bus the entire game, only nking the people who are against my lynch, just to get some towncred.

Entire game? I only started bussing you day 3, which means not even half of the game yet. Also yes, I would hardcore get them lynched, it is the best way to get such a strong towncred, that people believe you until they are faced with the truth that I have to be scum if the 3rd person didn't hammer my vote yet.

That still doesn't explain all the other kills. If I was scum I'd have Knights or Former killed, and I don't think my scummates would spend multiple days killing off the people who ensured one of their own didn't get lynched and will continue to do so.
WIFOM, WIFOM AND WIFOM. Texas' claim on you was only a false mason lead, the fact he was pocketing you that hard when you are actually scum is more likely to ring some alarm bells and likely led to his death after calling asek correctly in his second post day 2, which likely cemented him as a mason to kill regardless if he is townreading one of you while covering for his real partner. As for Hawkie he is an easy kill because he tunneled proph so hard his reads will have focused too much on him and not useful in any way for those of us still alive. Letting him actually reconsider the game would likely have been risky. And his read on you was not even that strong.

M!Hitmon always holds out for a fakeclaim before claiming mason on this day, unless absolutely forced. This is the most likely of your "options" here. Don't tell me I'm being forced here.

I forced your hands when I stated that I would lynch any mason claims at lylo out of principle. You yourself raised no objections as to why mason shouldn't claim here, nor countered any of my arguments why they should claim. Do so, if not, then claim if you are mason.

Important part:

The funny thing is, in your whole reply you never once refuted the inherent suspiciousness of you not being killed last night, nor did you argue I am scum yet you are pushing me. All that your arguments amount to are: wifoms to completely different topics not even brought up here, nitpicking things I never claimed or yet again overblowing the scope of my tunnel on you(which is an admirable feat considering I have been doing so quite hard yet you manage to still exaggerate even that)
 
I think AG and Lightwolf are mafia guys
I think moody is not making any arguments guys. I think moody is proving my point on hitmon wifom about being mislynched before lylo being bollocks. I think moody should reply to the mason thing I have been pestering everyone about. I think moody should actually engage me if he wants to have any credibility when reading me instead of plopping in occasionally to drop unexplained nuggets. I think I should stop mocking moody's post because i've ran out of good material. I think therefore I am.
 
They were trying to sniff out mason info by pressuring Leet and Yeti's TRs
And now what do you know, they're both pushing the lynch Asek was going for
I think what happened is the Leet wagon didn't get enough support and the other counterwagon to Asek (AG) was not town so they didn't push it (I would have been fine with lynching it instead of Asek and said as much), having to sloppily bus Asek instead

AG>LW>Epik lynch order wins this game I think, I would reconsider Leet a bit in lylo but it's probably town
 
If anyone in the pool I mentioned+leet is mason now is definitely the right time to claim btw
If third mason exists outside of it that's their call but their claim will not and must not save them in lylo
 
This silence from lw might be telling
You are a joke, I was coming home from work. You literally said nothing damning because you refuse to even discuss the possibility that Asek and Hitmon were bussing. What TRs of Leet and Yeti did I pressure when I spent all of day 3 questioning either Hitmon or Asek. Or is Hitmon his own TR?

Again you are not even acknowledging what I posted on Hitmon. If I am scum, address my points against hitmon, because I'm obviously lying then. Luckily for you not only is my latest attempt at the top of the page here, the previous 2-3 pages should contain two posts where I directly quote all my hitmon stuff from day 3.

Come back to me when you have an argument and are not trying to sweep me under AG's own scummy rug.
 
I'm gonna transpose the notes I made last night to run through the following statement

2 mafia left, so by sheer numbers, I have to be wrong once out of three - can't be right more than two.

A B C
5 to 2

A wrong
4 to 2
3 to 2

B wrong A right

5 to 1
4 to 1
3 to 1
2 to 1

Think bus vs nullguard after AG

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Remove a layer of objectivity by replacing ABC with the respective names in AG's lynch order and Hitmon's red flip gives us an extra day before LyLo. But it still leaves me wondering why he'd rather lynch a guy who has show critical thinking in breaking down the posts of a now-known scum over the slot that is null x2.
 
I think it's unlikely Leet is scum and we should not go paranoid over his whole team bussing him until lylo
I will 100% lynch AG then LW if Leet ends up lynched today and flips green as I think he will, and that just means we give DLE slot a pass

Every night kill was adamant Leet was town and the pattern of scum voting him + removing every voice that can vouch for him makes lynching him now absurd
 
and the pattern of scum voting him
What pattern? ONE confirmed scum pushed for him. Yeti goddamn pushed for him day 1.

Also stop with the pointless wifom that everyone dead supported Leet. Fucking Texas was if leet isn't mason obviously just trying to implicate hitmon as his partner. That alone removes his read of him as anything we can put any weight into.
 
I think it's unlikely Leet is scum and we should not go paranoid over his whole team bussing him until lylo
I will 100% lynch AG then LW if Leet ends up lynched today and flips green as I think he will, and that just means we give DLE slot a pass

Every night kill was adamant Leet was town and the pattern of scum voting him + removing every voice that can vouch for him makes lynching him now absurd

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to invite you to the Discord server where Hitmon has been instead of here. I think there is motive for bussing because scum!Hitmon's lack of playing would make him dead weight.
 
Idk about leet honestly. There's so much back and forth maybe it's just good to get him out of the way now so that we don't have to be paranoid like everyone was with my slot in animal mafia.

That said, frankly more concerning is 3p1k. Like that slot has done nothing all game and at this point that's ridiculous so for now

lynch epik
 
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