The meanest and most sadistic strategies ever with Encore

[Forsety]

I would define "mean" in this case as something that actually works, because if it doesn't work then there's not anything mean about it.

Well that would be obviously be a problem with the personal definitions of the word.

If we were to make an actual effort to make it usuable I guess you could always BP a Mean Look. Considering Disable goes upto 5-7 turns now and Encore still retains its 2-6 it certainly has a use for a guaranteed 4 turns of setup till they struggle to death.

It certainly wouldn't be a wasted payoff.

Of course I prefer just sticking to Disabling Choice item users myself and Encoring setups.

 

[TheMantyke]

You realize you're bringing Wobbuffet into a subdiscussion about failing strategies such as Encore + Disable/Psych Up/Snatch, right? Because I never said anything about Wobbuffet.

my bad, I thought you were saying that all strategys with encore don't work...

 

[Captain Falcon]

The meanest Encorer is definitely Wobbuffet. :]

I disagree, wobbufet can only be used in Ubers, and most Ubers can 2HKO it in the time it takes it to encore, Counter/Mirror Coat

 

[Mekkah]

I disagree, wobbufet can only be used in Ubers, and most Ubers can 2HKO it in the time it takes it to encore, Counter/Mirror Coat

The fact alone that Wobbuffet is placed in uber shows how threatening it is.

Well that would be obviously be a problem with the personal definitions of the word.

If we were to make an actual effort to make it usuable I guess you could always BP a Mean Look. Considering Disable goes upto 5-7 turns now and Encore still retains its 2-6 it certainly has a use for a guaranteed 4 turns of setup till they struggle to death.

It certainly wouldn't be a wasted payoff.

Of course I prefer just sticking to Disabling Choice item users myself and Encoring setups.

Perhaps. Maybe you should define your meaning of "mean" in a topic where everyone is answering strategies with Encore, some of which actually work, on a Pokemon forum mostly trying to aim its discussion towards strategies that work.

Alright, let's say you are Baton Passing a Mean Look to an Encore/Disable Pokemon. Your only options for the former are Umbreon, Ariados and Smeargle, your only options for the latter are Dewgong and Alakazam (and Smeargle again), unless I missed something (which is possible, because Serebii doesn't allow you to put two moves in the search function at the same time). To pull this off, you need something that is failing to damage both the user and the recipient. In the unlikely event that you succeed, you will have killed a whole one Pokemon, while having wasted half a Pokemon's moveset for it.

I would rather do something else if I were to pass a Mean Look to any other member of my team. Such as pass to a Pokemon that can actually set up and sweep. Obviously Calm Mind/Encore/Disable/Psychic Alakazam can set up, but hardly ever sweep because there's things immune and 4x resistant to Psychic, and Alakazam can also die to priority moves, not to mention being stalled out of Psychic PP by something like Blissey. Dewgong can't sweep period.

Something like Tyranitar or Salamence, however, can sweep, and will also find many more opponents who cannot put them out of their misery too quickly. Plus they are actually usable in the event that you fail to set up your Trappass.

When you look at it that way, Encore + Disable really is useless.

 

[Bologo]

Well that would be obviously be a problem with the personal definitions of the word.

If we were to make an actual effort to make it usuable I guess you could always BP a Mean Look. Considering Disable goes upto 5-7 turns now and Encore still retains its 2-6 it certainly has a use for a guaranteed 4 turns of setup till they struggle to death.

It certainly wouldn't be a wasted payoff.

Of course I prefer just sticking to Disabling Choice item users myself and Encoring setups.

Hmm? I'm pretty sure Encore changed too this gen, to 4-8 turns. It never ever goes under 4 turns any more.

 

[Pablo]

Encoring CB Hitmontop whilst it used Rapid Spin is a sick strategy. :p

 

[Kamikaze Korean]

Encoring a Pokemon you know is a Choice user is a stupid strategy.

EDIT

Your only options for the former are Umbreon, Ariados and Smeargle, your only options for the latter are Dewgong and Alakazam (and Smeargle again), unless I missed something (which is possible, because Serebii doesn't allow you to put two moves in the search function at the same time).

They added one recently.

http://www.serebii.net/games/moveset.shtml

 

[Bologo]

Encoring CB Hitmontop whilst it used Rapid Spin is a sick strategy. :p

Heh, quiet. There is no need for you to reference my poor move! :P

 

[Forsety]

Hmm? I'm pretty sure Encore changed too this gen, to 4-8 turns. It never ever goes under 4 turns any more.

Yeah my bad, I just went and checked myself and both Disable/Encore have the 4-8 turn limit. Very useful.

Perhaps. Maybe you should define your meaning of "mean" in a topic where everyone is answering strategies with Encore, some of which actually work, on a Pokemon forum mostly trying to aim its discussion towards strategies that work.

Then the title would be 'effective strategies with encore', nothing wrong with following the topic literally.

Your only options for the former are Umbreon, Ariados and Smeargle

And Absol. Not that it matters...

your only options for the latter are Dewgong and Alakazam (and Smeargle again), unless I missed something

Well yes those would be the obvious ones. Though if you include choice item trick/switcheroo which would have the same effect as Encore. Hypno, Kecleon, Banette end up qualifying too. On second thought though, Trick/Switcheroo version would be more effective...

When you look at it that way, Encore + Disable really is useless.

Its as you say.

 

[Bologo]

Absol's actually not bad, since he's the only one of the mean look baton passers that can pull off a PerishTrapping combo as well. Switch him in after the encore, Mean Look first, if they switched out before Absol could pull it off, the switch in gets Mean Looked and you can pass that over to someone else to finish the job.

Then if they don't switch, you Perish Song, Mean Look and TRY to live those turns preceding your switch. Absol is incredibly frail though, so it's challenging to pull off.

 

[sa17dk]

Encoring CB Hitmontop whilst it used Rapid Spin is a sick strategy. :p

No, that's called wasting a turn.

 

[Stallion]

Shuckle is a great Encorer, and is an unbelievable asset to any stall team.Also, using Encore on my Focus Sash Raichu to lock something into quake, switch in BellyZard and have fun.


EDIT: To the above poster, PabloMeza said that because Bologo actually did that once in a battle, his last warstory no less, which Bologo pointed out above but you have somehow failed to notice it

 

[Marix]

i hate when they Encore my Taunt :(

 

[Mekkah]

Then the title would be 'effective strategies with encore', nothing wrong with following the topic literally.

It seems no one else is doing so. Nonetheless, again I cannot see what's mean about your strategy except that you're torturing your own Pokemon.

And Absol. Not that it matters...

Indeed.

Well yes those would be the obvious ones. Though if you include choice item trick/switcheroo which would have the same effect as Encore. Hypno, Kecleon, Banette end up qualifying too. On second thought though, Trick/Switcheroo version would be more effective...

But if we're following the topic title literally, that means anything but Encore is out!! Anyway, if you manage to trap + Trickband, I see little reason to Disable. I'd rather use Hypno to Baton Pass to something that can set up against this now locked-in Pokemon, like Switcheroo them into Crunching Hypno, then Baton Pass to Tyranitar and start setting up.

 

[freaktron]

@Bologo

You're lacking some Encore+Disable fun.

Which brings me to something: You know the third trainer in Set 6 of Stargazer Colosseum Masters Battle in PBR? The one with Alakazam/Wobbuffet/Ninetales/Dewgong/Dusknoir/Lickylicky? I HATE THAT TRAINER SO FUCKING MUCH. Most of her guys can take hits, she'll Encore your move, Mean Look or Wobbuffet is out, and Disable. Whoops, I can't be switched out. Whoops, I have no moves, can't switch, and have to use fucking STRUGGLE. "This is the only thing it can do!" At that point, you just feel like shutting your Wii off. So if you ever face that trainer, just GANG UP ON HER POKEMON WITH ENCORE. HOLD ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING BACK.

 

[Mood4food77]

haha

too bad dugtrio doesn't learn encore

cause that'd be about as gay as what wobb could do (just that scenario)

well, quagsire can do it...but he can't trap like trio can...

umbreon ecoring a psychic move would suck too...but speed would be a problem

togekiss can do it to a ground move but with no means of trapping

lopunny to a ghost move, but no trapping like above

i mean, umbreon is a great encore+mean look passer, so he could encore a move and trap them, then pass to a poke with an immunity, if he still lives by that time

 

[Bologo]

Umbreon doesn't learn Encore.

 

[Mood4food77]

why the fuck did i think he did....