The meanest and most sadistic strategies ever with Encore

Encore + Snatch or Disable doesn't work most of the time since there is no way in hell I'm leaving anything in that is Encored. Heck, usually if Raichu comes in on my Cursing Snorlax I know what is up and switch right away, now who is the one that wasted a turn?

And that summarizes the main use of Encore: it threatens anything slower than the Encore to not use a stat-uppering move.

If you can pull off a TrapPass with Umbreon to Raichu AND they are being harmless on the switch, you have a free kill going. Then again, in most of the cases where that works, I'd rather pass to Salamence or Tyranitar and Dragon Dance up.
 
GethsmaneThunder said:
Encore + Stat Up on Opponent + something with Psych Up on your end.

Psych Up right before that last (or second to last so you still have a move equivalent) stat-up and proceed to return fire with whatever they were ABOUT to try to do to you.

Not that evil, but very very effective.
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It is, unless they a) switch, or b) faster than you.
 
I also like Encore Dewgong or Walrein predicting a Thunderbolt, then switching into Dugtrio for a free kill. :naughty:
 
Mekkah said:
Encore + Snatch or Disable doesn't work most of the time since there is no way in hell I'm leaving anything in that is Encored. Heck, usually if Raichu comes in on my Cursing Snorlax I know what is up and switch right away, now who is the one that wasted a turn?

And that summarizes the main use of Encore: it threatens anything slower than the Encore to not use a stat-uppering move.

If you can pull off a TrapPass with Umbreon to Raichu AND they are being harmless on the switch, you have a free kill going. Then again, in most of the cases where that works, I'd rather pass to Salamence or Tyranitar and Dragon Dance up.
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Eh? Doesn't Raichu learn focus punch, Nasty Plot and Rain Dance?

If I noticed an encore on a stat-up move, I would imagine that raichu would then either Nasty Plot, focus punch, or rain dance. Nasty Plot and Focus Punch can screw over your counter, and rain dance can setup the right team (encore / rain dance / surf / thunder)
 
Mekkah said:
Encore + Snatch or Disable doesn't work most of the time since there is no way in hell I'm leaving anything in that is Encored. Heck, usually if Raichu comes in on my Cursing Snorlax I know what is up and switch right away, now who is the one that wasted a turn?

And that summarizes the main use of Encore: it threatens anything slower than the Encore to not use a stat-uppering move.

If you can pull off a TrapPass with Umbreon to Raichu AND they are being harmless on the switch, you have a free kill going. Then again, in most of the cases where that works, I'd rather pass to Salamence or Tyranitar and Dragon Dance up.
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There's a whole mind-game to it all.

Say you're cursing up a snorlax and I switch in raichu. As you said, you assume "He's going to Encore me" and switch out, and indeed if I encored I'd be wasting a turn.

But what if I only made you THINK I was going to encore? As mentioned, I get a free nasty plot/sub/focus punch/etc. Heck, I don't even need to HAVE encore on my Raichu! I could be using a Nasty Plot/TBolt/HP Ice/Grass Knot @Focus Sash set for all you know! Hence the complex nature of Encore mind games.
 
Or they could just go to like Garchomp and get a free CBEQ on w/e you switch to if we're talking about Raichu specificly. And if we're not, then most Encore using Pokes are still 100% predictable so that doesn't matter after we switch. I know for one thing that if you switch in an Encore-known Poke while I use Curse, my next move will always be an attack, as that's the 'logical' thing to do.
 
Aeroblacktyl said:
Or they could just go to like Garchomp and get a free CBEQ on w/e you switch to if we're talking about Raichu specificly. And if we're not, then most Encore using Pokes are still 100% predictable so that doesn't matter after we switch. I know for one thing that if you switch in an Encore-known Poke while I use Curse, my next move will always be an attack, as that's the 'logical' thing to do.
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Why hello there Encore Raichu Bellyzard combo. Your "Free" CB EQ just allowed my Charizard to set-up.
 
Dragontamer said:
Why hello there Encore Raichu Bellyzard combo. Your "Free" CB EQ just allowed my Charizard to set-up.
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What I dont get about that combo is that If I have a Garchomp and you send out raichu, I would use dragon claw or Outrage. It would kill you anyway and I would not have to worry about you sending in a flying type... And if your CBed why would Encore make a difference? You can only use one move anyway.
 
Aeroblacktyl said:
Or they could just go to like Garchomp and get a free CBEQ on w/e you switch to if we're talking about Raichu specificly. And if we're not, then most Encore using Pokes are still 100% predictable so that doesn't matter after we switch. I know for one thing that if you switch in an Encore-known Poke while I use Curse, my next move will always be an attack, as that's the 'logical' thing to do.
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If you've been cursing, wouldn't you be slower than the Encore user, making whatever move you picked pointless?
 
X-Act said:
I also like Encore Dewgong or Walrein predicting a Thunderbolt, then switching into Dugtrio for a free kill. :naughty:
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I was thinking of doing a similar thing but using a SD Dugtrio and sweeping the entire team:naughty:.
 
Does Umbreon get Encore? That'd be awfully sucky with Mean look

A good Encore strategy is Wobbufett. So annoying if its allowed.

I've always liked Physical Encorepunch Raichu.
 
Aeroblacktyl said:
Or they could just go to like Garchomp and get a free CBEQ on w/e you switch to if we're talking about Raichu specificly. And if we're not, then most Encore using Pokes are still 100% predictable so that doesn't matter after we switch. I know for one thing that if you switch in an Encore-known Poke while I use Curse, my next move will always be an attack, as that's the 'logical' thing to do.
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I still get a free sub/HP Ice/Wish/Rain Dance/Nasty Plot (in the rare case where no sandstorm/SR is in play, If I'm using sash so I can Nasty Plot HP-ice you) If you wanna get really far-fetched, add Sweet Kiss, Charm.... If I know you're obviously going to switch in chomp I'll just switch to my chomp counter right off the bat.

Don't just discount things so easily.

Also, unlike Chomp, TTar, etc; Raichu is allowed in UU (at least tentatively) =)
 
Right now I'm trying out Belly Drum and Encore on Clefable. Encore usually forces them to switch out. Then I Softboiled off the damage and I start mashing heads in with Belly Drummed Meteor Mashes.
 
After you encore them, they're going to switch out to something with a physical Fighting move which will kill you at 50% or at 100% regardless.
 
Umm, why meteor mash? Since your attack is maxed out already wouldn't it make more sense to use return?

You could try subbing when they switch and then drumming down to activate a salac berry, basically just use the Charizard strategy—though unfortunately with 60 base speed, jolly Clef won't quite get up to that magic 244 to outspeed base 115s after the boost. This does have the advantage of being protected by magic guard, but you only get one attack. In that case I guess meteor mash would be better since at least nothing is immune to it. Ultimately I don't think encore/belly drum is ever going to be truly viable though.
 
Obviously, I'm just making a correction. Also after STAB Double Edge has 180 Base power which is almost as powerfull a SE Bolt Beam.

In case you haven't noticed it still takes a lot of attack to OHKO a Clefable
 
Heck, if you gave clefable a toxic orb, you could use facade, and a toxic orb would stop you being hit with other conditions.
 
Mekkah said:
Encore + Snatch or Disable doesn't work most of the time since there is no way in hell I'm leaving anything in that is Encored.
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I never said it was a effective strategy, thread title in question was 'meanest and most sadistic strategies with Encore'. I'd say Disable + Encore forcing you to struggle qualifies.
 
I would define "mean" in this case as something that actually works, because if it doesn't work then there's not anything mean about it. Except that you're torturing your own Pokemon with a strategy that does not work.
 
Mekkah said:
I would define "mean" in this case as something that actually works, because if it doesn't work then there's not anything mean about it. Except that you're torturing your own Pokemon with a strategy that does not work.
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Isn't one of the strongest reasons wobbuffet got promoted to ubers was because of encore? Without it, everyonewould just use a boosting move until they could OHKO Wobba, but with encore, you can make them continue there stat ups and get a free (No, literally beyond entry hazards there's extremely little risk in switching and they can't switch out to a counter) switch in to basically anything...
 
You realize you're bringing Wobbuffet into a subdiscussion about failing strategies such as Encore + Disable/Psych Up/Snatch, right? Because I never said anything about Wobbuffet.
 
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