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The Next Best Thing - Sawk [Voting]
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Side note from like a week ago, sky drop doesnt work on flying types, so i cannot toxic stall them. wtf 
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Muk @ Black Sludge
Trait: Poison Touch
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Careful Nature
- Toxic/Taunt/Torment
- Mean Look
- Pain Split
- Shadow Sneak
So this is all I can come up with with Muk. Mean look prevents switching so Toxic can build up on the amount of damage it does, you can heal and lower their HP at the same time with pain split and in the end you can just finish him with Shadow Sneak, the only priority Muk has. If you have Toxic Spikes support then you don't need Toxic, so you can run Taunt or Torment depending on preference.
Trait: Poison Touch
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Careful Nature
- Toxic/Taunt/Torment
- Mean Look
- Pain Split
- Shadow Sneak
So this is all I can come up with with Muk. Mean look prevents switching so Toxic can build up on the amount of damage it does, you can heal and lower their HP at the same time with pain split and in the end you can just finish him with Shadow Sneak, the only priority Muk has. If you have Toxic Spikes support then you don't need Toxic, so you can run Taunt or Torment depending on preference.
name: Pick Your Suicide
move 1:Gunk Shot
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Explosion
move 4: Memento
item: Custap Berry
ability: Poison Touch
nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 HP / 252 Att / 4 Def
Basically one chance to get rid of a nuisance to your team with explosion, or find a manipulative pokemon to use memento on and start your sweep. Gunk Shot kills shit and Toxic makes fish die.
Edit: o yeah its pretty easy to get into custap range with hazards and ok bulk :)
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Touncher @ Black Sludge
Trait: Poison Touch
Adamant Nature
Evs: 252 hp / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
-Poison Jab
-Shadow Sneak
-Ice Punch / Brick Break
-MEMENTO
Touncher's famous set with a twist. Poison Jab is a mandatory STAB, while shadow sneak is here to pick off weakened threats/jynx. The choice between Brick Break and Ice punch is up to you. Brick Break hit incoming Steel-Type trying to wall you, while Ice Punch let you hit Golurk and Dragon-Type harder. Finally, I chose Memento for the last moveslot so he can still have use when low on health. This set is made to weaken the counters of pokemon like SD Pinsir and Smash Costa, and Memento when you know you'll be able to sweep through their teams! :]
Trait: Poison Touch
Adamant Nature
Evs: 252 hp / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
-Poison Jab
-Shadow Sneak
-Ice Punch / Brick Break
-MEMENTO
Touncher's famous set with a twist. Poison Jab is a mandatory STAB, while shadow sneak is here to pick off weakened threats/jynx. The choice between Brick Break and Ice punch is up to you. Brick Break hit incoming Steel-Type trying to wall you, while Ice Punch let you hit Golurk and Dragon-Type harder. Finally, I chose Memento for the last moveslot so he can still have use when low on health. This set is made to weaken the counters of pokemon like SD Pinsir and Smash Costa, and Memento when you know you'll be able to sweep through their teams! :]
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Muk@Black Sludge
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 4 Atk/252 HP/252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Substitute
- Payback
- Brick Break
The idea is simple: to use Payback to beat out Misdreavus(the most common switch in to Muk) by setting a sub on the switch and using Payback to literally make any ghost-type switch in to Muk pay.
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 4 Atk/252 HP/252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Substitute
- Payback
- Brick Break
The idea is simple: to use Payback to beat out Misdreavus(the most common switch in to Muk) by setting a sub on the switch and using Payback to literally make any ghost-type switch in to Muk pay.
Muk @ Life Orb
Trait: Poison Touch
Evs: 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 Spd
Lonely Nature
- Poison Jab / Gunk Shot
- Giga Drain
- Shadow Sneak
- Fire Blast
Mixed Muk is certainly very unorthodox, but it does have access to moves that can strike certain switch-ins harder than any other attack it has, mainly Giga Drain for Ground-types like Seismitoad (56.52 - 67.87% to SDef Toad) and Golem (KOed by Drain+Sneak which Ice Punch+Sneak cannot do), then Fire Blast for Scolipede (OHKO) and Metang (outspeed & 2HKO). This Muk still hits as hard as any other Muk and still has its definitive Poison Touch Jab and Shadow Sneak which is coveted by Poison-types (though Gunk Shot can still be used if more power is desired), but lacks the bulk other Muks have, thus this set is best utilized as a lure rather than a tank that most Muks tend to be.
I'll be honest, the on-site Muk sets (particularly CB which wrecks) are much more effective, but this set is a fun little something Muk can try, even if it suffers direct competition with Seviper.
Trait: Poison Touch
Evs: 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 Spd
Lonely Nature
- Poison Jab / Gunk Shot
- Giga Drain
- Shadow Sneak
- Fire Blast
Mixed Muk is certainly very unorthodox, but it does have access to moves that can strike certain switch-ins harder than any other attack it has, mainly Giga Drain for Ground-types like Seismitoad (56.52 - 67.87% to SDef Toad) and Golem (KOed by Drain+Sneak which Ice Punch+Sneak cannot do), then Fire Blast for Scolipede (OHKO) and Metang (outspeed & 2HKO). This Muk still hits as hard as any other Muk and still has its definitive Poison Touch Jab and Shadow Sneak which is coveted by Poison-types (though Gunk Shot can still be used if more power is desired), but lacks the bulk other Muks have, thus this set is best utilized as a lure rather than a tank that most Muks tend to be.
I'll be honest, the on-site Muk sets (particularly CB which wrecks) are much more effective, but this set is a fun little something Muk can try, even if it suffers direct competition with Seviper.
Muk @ Black Sludge
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Curse
- Poison Jab
- Shadow Sneak
- Brick Break
Offensive Curse Muk. Can still Tounch everything really well. Shadow Sneak owns Jynx, Haunter, and Gardy :). Brick Break hits Golem, Probo, Piloswine. Tounch all other things. Sometimes late game you can start cursing up and win, or you can do it early game and take out a few pokemon!
@Zebraiken testing
@skylight do i win?
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Curse
- Poison Jab
- Shadow Sneak
- Brick Break
Offensive Curse Muk. Can still Tounch everything really well. Shadow Sneak owns Jynx, Haunter, and Gardy :). Brick Break hits Golem, Probo, Piloswine. Tounch all other things. Sometimes late game you can start cursing up and win, or you can do it early game and take out a few pokemon!
@Zebraiken testing
@skylight do i win?
This barred me from posting on the Braviary post; I could have posted about Probopass if I had come up with one before all my ideas were used. ;)
Muk @ Black Sludge
Trait: Poison Touch
Evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Nature
- Poison Jab/Gunk Shot
- Mean Look
- Dig
- Substitute/Toxic
Speaking of being nearly out of ideas, this set is for trapping enemies that don't carry Earthquake and stalling them out with Dig and Muk's decent bulk. Poison Jab can be used with substitute for more stalling and setting up decent substitutes on switches, but if you want the assurance of Toxic you can use Gunk Shot instead for more power. Dig also hits those pesky steel types pretty hard.
Muk @ Life Orb
Trait: Sticky Hold
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature
- Acid Spray
- Sludge Wave
- Focus Blast
- Fire Blast / Giga Drain
I know what you're thinking, Muk has 65 base SAtk, what the hell is wrong with you?!? Well my friends, that's what good ol' Acid Spray is for. I ran some calcs on the Top 10 used Pokes in NU via the June Usage thread, and after a -2 drop in SDef and some SR support, here's what I uncovered:
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Giga Drain vs. -2 172 HP / 0 SpD Golurk: 294-348 (81.21 - 96.13%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Sludge Wave vs. -2 0 HP / 0 SpD Sawk: 294-347 (101.03 - 119.24%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Giga Drain vs. -2 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 458-541 (85.76 - 101.31%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Focus Blast vs. -2 252 HP / 4 SpD Armaldo: 235-277 (66.38 - 78.24%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Sludge Wave vs. -2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gardevoir: 153-181 (45 - 53.23%) -- 90.63% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Focus Blast vs. -2 0 HP / 220 SpD Skuntank: 217-256 (62.53 - 73.77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Sludge Wave vs. -2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eelektross: 192-227 (51.33 - 60.69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Sludge Wave vs. -2 252 HP / 104 SpD Ludicolo: 416-494 (114.28 - 135.71%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Sludge Wave vs. -2 252 HP / 192+ SpD Braviary: 214-253 (52.97 - 62.62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Fire Blast vs. -2 4 HP / 0 SpD Haunter: 316-372 (136.2 - 160.34%) -- guaranteed OHKO
As you can see, after Muk gets off an Acid Spray, you can OHKO or 2HKO a lot of Pokes off of Muk's 65 base SAtk. This set would work best in a Trick Room team so Muk didn't have to worry about forcing a switch. To discuss the moves a little, Acid Spray is the biggest move of this set to lower SDef 2 stages. Sludge Wave instead of Sludge Bomb to give a little extra boost in dmg, Focus Blast to cover Steel Types that are immune to Poison, and the last move spot is optional between Fire Blast or Giga Drain (Thunder technically is an option too). Fire Blast hits Ice/Steel super effective and gives coverage against Ghost, where Giga Drain hits the Ground/Water types this set could have issues with.
EDIT: Switched Poison Touch to Sticky Hold. Thanks for the tip Shuckleking
Trait: Sticky Hold
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature
- Acid Spray
- Sludge Wave
- Focus Blast
- Fire Blast / Giga Drain
I know what you're thinking, Muk has 65 base SAtk, what the hell is wrong with you?!? Well my friends, that's what good ol' Acid Spray is for. I ran some calcs on the Top 10 used Pokes in NU via the June Usage thread, and after a -2 drop in SDef and some SR support, here's what I uncovered:
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Giga Drain vs. -2 172 HP / 0 SpD Golurk: 294-348 (81.21 - 96.13%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Sludge Wave vs. -2 0 HP / 0 SpD Sawk: 294-347 (101.03 - 119.24%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Giga Drain vs. -2 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 458-541 (85.76 - 101.31%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Focus Blast vs. -2 252 HP / 4 SpD Armaldo: 235-277 (66.38 - 78.24%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Sludge Wave vs. -2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gardevoir: 153-181 (45 - 53.23%) -- 90.63% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Focus Blast vs. -2 0 HP / 220 SpD Skuntank: 217-256 (62.53 - 73.77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Sludge Wave vs. -2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eelektross: 192-227 (51.33 - 60.69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Sludge Wave vs. -2 252 HP / 104 SpD Ludicolo: 416-494 (114.28 - 135.71%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Sludge Wave vs. -2 252 HP / 192+ SpD Braviary: 214-253 (52.97 - 62.62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252- SpA Life Orb Muk Fire Blast vs. -2 4 HP / 0 SpD Haunter: 316-372 (136.2 - 160.34%) -- guaranteed OHKO
As you can see, after Muk gets off an Acid Spray, you can OHKO or 2HKO a lot of Pokes off of Muk's 65 base SAtk. This set would work best in a Trick Room team so Muk didn't have to worry about forcing a switch. To discuss the moves a little, Acid Spray is the biggest move of this set to lower SDef 2 stages. Sludge Wave instead of Sludge Bomb to give a little extra boost in dmg, Focus Blast to cover Steel Types that are immune to Poison, and the last move spot is optional between Fire Blast or Giga Drain (Thunder technically is an option too). Fire Blast hits Ice/Steel super effective and gives coverage against Ghost, where Giga Drain hits the Ground/Water types this set could have issues with.
EDIT: Switched Poison Touch to Sticky Hold. Thanks for the tip Shuckleking
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^^ Interesting set. As a small tidbit, I would use sticky hold over poison tounch, as you can at least keep your life orb as opposed to random trick iron ball, flame orb or choice scarf pokes, and poison touch does not help any of your moves.
You do know you were disqualified for making bad sets right? Why would I use Dig > Brick Break ? People are going too far when their idea is stolen: Just vote for Ice96's set, it's a good set, actually the only good one here.
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