Well shit. That was the Pokemon I wanted. :|
Why was it removed?
Also, just to make sure/post the Pokemon again:
Prankster Gourgeist
Thick Fat Togekiss
Dragon / Steel Druddigon
right?
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Why was it removed?
Also, just to make sure/post the Pokemon again:
Prankster Gourgeist
Thick Fat Togekiss
Dragon / Steel Druddigon
right?
Rhyperior was moved to B- rank, and only Pokemon at C+ rank and below can become Theorymons.
And the results are:
Thick fat Togekiss: 11
Dragon / Steel Druddigon: 3
Prankster Gourgeist: 6
So, our winner is:
+ Thick Fat
Now, let's go to our next slate:
Thick fat Togekiss: 11
Dragon / Steel Druddigon: 3
Prankster Gourgeist: 6
So, our winner is:
Now, let's go to our next slate:
- Fur Coat Aromatisse (Red Cat)
- Extremspeed Braviary (Valmanway)
- Regenerator Starmie (Tomahawk9)
- Sticky Web Accelgor (Jaroda)
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Eeeeh, i don't know. I don't like these options very much. I don't know shit about Aromatisse (I think he's terrifying), but Fur Coat might be interesting.
Extremspeed is a great option for anything that gets it, so there isn't that much to discuss here imho.
Regenerator is another thing that anyone is glad to receive, but considering how frail Starmie is, I'm not sure he should refuse Natural Cure for this.
Accelgor would be a great user of SW. With a sash it could ensure SW and one layer of spikes. That's good.
Just my first quick thoughts.
Extremspeed is a great option for anything that gets it, so there isn't that much to discuss here imho.
Regenerator is another thing that anyone is glad to receive, but considering how frail Starmie is, I'm not sure he should refuse Natural Cure for this.
Accelgor would be a great user of SW. With a sash it could ensure SW and one layer of spikes. That's good.
Just my first quick thoughts.
Fur Coat Aromatisse
Basically makes it outclass any other cleric in OU since nothing will do any damage anymore. Although it still doesn't have reliable recovery, seems pretty spooky
Extremespeed Braviary
Now we have 3 defiant users! Still gets walled by ghost types, but has harder hitting moves than bisharp or Thundurus. Plus, E-speed can makeit a lot harder to revenge kill at +2, since it doesn't care about priority.
Regenerator Starmie
I feel like this really doesn't do much. Choice sets would still prefer natural cure to avoid toxic. I suppose life orb starmie would appreciate it, but since it doesn't get anything like volt switch/ u turn, it wont make a ton of difference imo
Sticky Web Accelgor
Accelgor would probably get hella usage with sticky web, since all that outspeeds it would be Deo-S and Ninjask (lolno). Still really susceptible to a Deo-S taunt, but it could be interesting
Basically makes it outclass any other cleric in OU since nothing will do any damage anymore. Although it still doesn't have reliable recovery, seems pretty spooky
Extremespeed Braviary
Now we have 3 defiant users! Still gets walled by ghost types, but has harder hitting moves than bisharp or Thundurus. Plus, E-speed can makeit a lot harder to revenge kill at +2, since it doesn't care about priority.
Regenerator Starmie
I feel like this really doesn't do much. Choice sets would still prefer natural cure to avoid toxic. I suppose life orb starmie would appreciate it, but since it doesn't get anything like volt switch/ u turn, it wont make a ton of difference imo
Sticky Web Accelgor
Accelgor would probably get hella usage with sticky web, since all that outspeeds it would be Deo-S and Ninjask (lolno). Still really susceptible to a Deo-S taunt, but it could be interesting
Fur Coat Aromatisse: With Fur Coat, she becomes extremely bulky in both defense and special defense, with Fur Coat efectively making her uninvested defense 360, which becomes a whopping 534 with max investment and a positive nature, while still having a great 89 special defense to take special attacks with. With Wish and Aromatherapy as good support moves, she can fulfill a clerical role nicely, and also has base 99 special attack, Moonblast, Energy Ball, Thuderbolt, Psychic/Psyshock, and Calm Mind for very bulky offensive sets. Her Fairy-typing will also set herself apart from Chansey/Blissey, while Fur Coat will set herself apart from Sylveon. I really like it.
Extremespeed Braviary: This is my idea, so excuse me if I sound biased with this one. A powerful STAB Extremespeed has been a long awaited dream among some Pokemon fans, and there were many other candidates for this, but I felt that Braviary was the best of the bunch. Braviary's Adamant Extremespeed is only minutely weaker than Jolly Talonflame's Brave Bird, but has higher priority, and Braviary has many other assets Talonflame would kill to have. Braviary has Defiant to punish Intimidators/Defoggers, lacks a 4x weakness to Stealth Rock, and has Superpower to muscle his way past Rock-types, while his priority attack isn't resisted by Rotom-W, and even has Shadow Claw for Ghost-types. He can even make Bulk Up a thing with his respectable bulk and Roost. With +2 priority, he's able to revenge kill many Pokemon with priority, including Azumarill, Mega Pinsir, Mamoswine, and of course Talonflame.
Regenerator Starmie: Flavorwise, this makes perfect sense, but I personally think Natural Cure is the better option. I mean, it's nice to get recovery when you can't afford to spend a turn using Recover, but having Recover is still a valued asset, and Natural Cure rids it of status like Toxic and paralysis, making its job easier. Though Recover and Regenerator combined get 83% of your health back, which is pretty neat in its own right, and since it's going to switch in frequently to spin hazards away, the extra 33% health return can outweigh removing status from time to time, and Life Orb sets can enjoy the pseudo-recoil negation. It's not amazing, but it's a neat idea.
Sticky Wed Accelgor: With Sticky Web, he becomes the fastest Sticky Web setter in the game, instantly giving him a niche. Along with that, he gets good moves in Knock Off, U-turn, Baton Pass, a clutch Guard Split, and a surprisingly good Final Gambit in case you don't need Sticky Web. But his effectiveness dies out there, since he's very weak to physical priority, and has bad bulk in general. His Final Gambit is also weakened after he's hit with priority, making the move rather useless. And he faces competition with Galvantula, who can hit back with powerful Thunders, and has a neat Steel resistance, I guess. Not bad, but I'm none too impressed.
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Also I notice a sharp decline in the number of votes. What's up with that?
Extremespeed Braviary: This is my idea, so excuse me if I sound biased with this one. A powerful STAB Extremespeed has been a long awaited dream among some Pokemon fans, and there were many other candidates for this, but I felt that Braviary was the best of the bunch. Braviary's Adamant Extremespeed is only minutely weaker than Jolly Talonflame's Brave Bird, but has higher priority, and Braviary has many other assets Talonflame would kill to have. Braviary has Defiant to punish Intimidators/Defoggers, lacks a 4x weakness to Stealth Rock, and has Superpower to muscle his way past Rock-types, while his priority attack isn't resisted by Rotom-W, and even has Shadow Claw for Ghost-types. He can even make Bulk Up a thing with his respectable bulk and Roost. With +2 priority, he's able to revenge kill many Pokemon with priority, including Azumarill, Mega Pinsir, Mamoswine, and of course Talonflame.
Regenerator Starmie: Flavorwise, this makes perfect sense, but I personally think Natural Cure is the better option. I mean, it's nice to get recovery when you can't afford to spend a turn using Recover, but having Recover is still a valued asset, and Natural Cure rids it of status like Toxic and paralysis, making its job easier. Though Recover and Regenerator combined get 83% of your health back, which is pretty neat in its own right, and since it's going to switch in frequently to spin hazards away, the extra 33% health return can outweigh removing status from time to time, and Life Orb sets can enjoy the pseudo-recoil negation. It's not amazing, but it's a neat idea.
Sticky Wed Accelgor: With Sticky Web, he becomes the fastest Sticky Web setter in the game, instantly giving him a niche. Along with that, he gets good moves in Knock Off, U-turn, Baton Pass, a clutch Guard Split, and a surprisingly good Final Gambit in case you don't need Sticky Web. But his effectiveness dies out there, since he's very weak to physical priority, and has bad bulk in general. His Final Gambit is also weakened after he's hit with priority, making the move rather useless. And he faces competition with Galvantula, who can hit back with powerful Thunders, and has a neat Steel resistance, I guess. Not bad, but I'm none too impressed.
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Probably because people now have to go out of their way to PM votes instead of simply posting them. Gotta start giving out "I Voted" stickers to create incentive.
Anyways...
Fur Coat Aromatisse: I like this one a lot. Bulky supportive sets with access to Aromatherapy and Wish could be very useful, and it sets itself apart from Sylveon with bigger wishes and being physically defensive over specially defensive, which is valuable considering that the Fairy-typing has very good primarily physical resistances. Of course, Aromatisse is a LOT weaker than Sylveon, so Sylveon's position isn't entirely threatened by it. Aromatisse also has access to Calm Mind, which in tandem with great typing, incredible Defense, and reliable recovery could let Aromatisse gain boosts repeatedly. It would be fun to try a set like...
Aromatisse @ Leftovers
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Wish
- Protect / Aromatherapy
With this, Aromatisse can provide support to its team mates with Wish and Aromatherapy (if chosen) until an opportunity to gain boosts arises. Its Defense stat is ridiculous. It's only 3HKO'd by a +1 Mega Charizard X's Flare Blitz. Bisharp you say?
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Aromatisse: 161-191 (39.6 - 47%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
lel.
Extremespeed Braviary: I'm fond of this one, too. Bulk Up, Roost, and a good amount of offensive options make this a pretty decent option. The added bonus of Defiant lets Braviary really differentiate itself from other priority abusers, as pretty much everything that uses Defog besides maybe Mandibuzz and Skarmory is not going to be happy about a +2 Extremespeed.
Regenerator Starmie: I don't feel like this fixes any of Starmie's issues. It really doesn't have very good bulk, has a pretty decent amount of weaknesses, and is not the best pivot. I'd probably continue to use Analytic instead for the power boost on switches. Analytic also gives it a good chance to 2HKO Aegislash who expect to block a Rapid Spin with Life Orb Hydro Pump. Regenerator makes Starmie loose a lot of power compared to Analytic, unfortunately, and I don't feel as though that's worth it.
Sticky Wed Accelgor: Valmanway kind of said everything that needed to be said. I'd probably continue to use Galvantula instead, as I don't feel as though that extra Speed is worth the loss of a very good secondary STAB (Compoundeyes Thunder). It's kind of cool that it can set up both Spikes and Sticky Web, though, but I feel as though more often than not it could only pull off one layer of Spikes, which is unfortunate. Final Gambit is kind of cool too for being able to scare a lot of Defog users that want to come in, as well, but Mandibuzz can still handle it (and will also be easily revenged if it decides to use Defog instead of Roost).
I need to see what other people say though before I decide what to vote for, but I'm most inclined towards Aromatisse, at the moment.
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Fur Coat Aromatisse
One hell of a tank : +1 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Aromatisse: 190-224 (46.7 - 55.1%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
However, as a pure wall (Protect / Wish / Aromatherapy / Moonbalst), he has some issues : questionable offense (well, 99 is not bad, but it does not stop Char-X from setting-up on you) and lack of Thunder-Wave make him prone to be a set-up bait, and Sylveon (better offense, better special bulk) or Clefable (no set-up bait, Moonlight) may be preferred. I'm not saying he is outclassed, but you can't just slap him on any team.
That's why I would use this set :
You aren't breaking any teams with this (+6 4 SpA Aromatisse Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 70-82 (18.1 - 21.2%), this is laughable), but you are for sure hard as hell to break down. With your 406/534/327 effective defenses after just one Calm Mind, I think nearly nothing in OU can OHKO you. You have decent offensive presence after one CM (about 350 SpAtk) and your definitely a threat after a couple. And it's ridiculously easy to do so. Wish for recovery, Aromatherapy to shrug off pesky Toxics.
ExtremeSpeed Braviary
There is one big issue I have : Bisharp works because of its typing. He completely walls most Defogger : Mandibuzz and Skarmory can do nothing but Whirlwind, Latias must use a subpar coverage option, Scizor must generally use a predictable U-Turn, which means a devastating STAB Knock-Off on the switch-in. Only Zapdos can punish his switch-ins with a powerful T-Bolt.
Braviary, on the other hand, must predict the Defog or take a strong hit :
And even if it manages to switch-in, so what ? Many of these threats can actually take a hit and finish the job :
Imo, you can't use it like you'd use a Bisharp. Bisharp has a precise combinations of stats, typing and movepool which let him do the work. Even if the defogger doesn't actually defog, he can still threatens the opposing team through a powerful Knock Off and SD + Sucker Punch. Braviary can't do that, he is much more easily worn down (LO + SR + eventual SS + Brave Bird recoil) and lacks these tools : he is outclassed with LO (or Sharp Beak, or Silk Scarf etc...)
However, Braviary has the superior Extremespeed and a powerful Brave Bird. Imo, the best way to use him would be a Choice Bander set, with Brave Bird / Superpower / Extremespeed / U-Turn.
He is extremely powerful and can actually gets the OHKO the LO does manage not secure (especially a OHKO To MegaZor with Superpower + SR, so no killing himself). He is a formidable wall-breaker (especially at +2), and considering he will likely have some investment in HP, he is actually quite bulky. Even if there is no Defog, he can still grab momentum with U-Turn.
He would sport the single most-powerful Extremespeed in the entire metagame (even in Ubers !) and he can do a lot of work even without Defiant, and it becomes crazy with Defiant :
The downside is, of course, prediction. It's not nice to be forced out after you've grabbed a +2 boost. But the thing is, he is no Bisharp. He is forced out much more easily, even with Extremespeed. So I'd prefer to use him a bit like Band Nite : a formidable nuke, and a great cleaner. I think it's a nice idea. He has a clear niche, and even if it's not a big one, it's still a force to be reckoned with. You can't simply ignore him.
Regenerator Starmie
Meh. Without Analytic, Starmie offense is underwhelming in this metagame. And he does not exactly have the bulk required for a bulky set. And he lacks proper hit-and-run tools (mainly U-Turn / Volt-Switch). The only set I could see working is an Assault Vest one, like Tornadus-T, with possible Rapid Spin utility. That's definitely not bad (it's not a bad check to Landorus, for instance) but well... I don't see Starmie being more useful with this. Honestly, if I use Starmie, it's for Analytic.
Sticky Web Accelgor
Valmanway is right : Accelgor has a nice array of utility. He has a 364 HP Final Gambit at best, Spikes, Encore with Infestation, U-Turn and Knock Off, with its gigantic speed. Unlike Galvantula, you can still do stuff after you have set up Sticky Web, and most mon definitely don't want to Defog in front of this guy (well, they can still kill him but still).
It's, however, nothing metagame-defining. He is still weak and incredibly frail. He has his strengths though, and, with Sticky Web, a reason to use them. Maybe a nice pick for heavy-offense team who wants Sticky Web support, or even alongside Deoxys-D (with U-Turn then).
Wow, quite a long post.
EDIT : Ha, got ninja'd on the Aromatisse.
One hell of a tank : +1 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Aromatisse: 190-224 (46.7 - 55.1%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
However, as a pure wall (Protect / Wish / Aromatherapy / Moonbalst), he has some issues : questionable offense (well, 99 is not bad, but it does not stop Char-X from setting-up on you) and lack of Thunder-Wave make him prone to be a set-up bait, and Sylveon (better offense, better special bulk) or Clefable (no set-up bait, Moonlight) may be preferred. I'm not saying he is outclassed, but you can't just slap him on any team.
That's why I would use this set :
Aromatisse Leftovers
Ability: Fur Coat
EV: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold nature
- Aromatherapy
- Wish
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
Ability: Fur Coat
EV: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold nature
- Aromatherapy
- Wish
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
ExtremeSpeed Braviary
There is one big issue I have : Bisharp works because of its typing. He completely walls most Defogger : Mandibuzz and Skarmory can do nothing but Whirlwind, Latias must use a subpar coverage option, Scizor must generally use a predictable U-Turn, which means a devastating STAB Knock-Off on the switch-in. Only Zapdos can punish his switch-ins with a powerful T-Bolt.
Braviary, on the other hand, must predict the Defog or take a strong hit :
252 SpA Life Orb Latias Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Braviary: 203-239 (50.2 - 59.1%) -- 76.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 208-246 (51.4 - 60.8%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 153-180 (37.8 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery (it leaves a mark)
0 Atk Skarmory Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 136-162 (33.6 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Braviary: 296-350 (73.2 - 86.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 208-246 (51.4 - 60.8%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 153-180 (37.8 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery (it leaves a mark)
0 Atk Skarmory Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 136-162 (33.6 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Braviary: 296-350 (73.2 - 86.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
And even if it manages to switch-in, so what ? Many of these threats can actually take a hit and finish the job :
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zapdos: 286-339 (74.4 - 88.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (really dangerous for Zapdos here, but a full health it's good)
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Superpower vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 205-243 (61.3 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (and Skarmory finish Braviary with the drop + recoil from LO)
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Scizor: 402-473 (116.8 - 137.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO (considering Braviary will eat a Bullet Punch before, he is dead).
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Superpower vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 205-243 (61.3 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (and Skarmory finish Braviary with the drop + recoil from LO)
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Scizor: 402-473 (116.8 - 137.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO (considering Braviary will eat a Bullet Punch before, he is dead).
Imo, you can't use it like you'd use a Bisharp. Bisharp has a precise combinations of stats, typing and movepool which let him do the work. Even if the defogger doesn't actually defog, he can still threatens the opposing team through a powerful Knock Off and SD + Sucker Punch. Braviary can't do that, he is much more easily worn down (LO + SR + eventual SS + Brave Bird recoil) and lacks these tools : he is outclassed with LO (or Sharp Beak, or Silk Scarf etc...)
However, Braviary has the superior Extremespeed and a powerful Brave Bird. Imo, the best way to use him would be a Choice Bander set, with Brave Bird / Superpower / Extremespeed / U-Turn.
He is extremely powerful and can actually gets the OHKO the LO does manage not secure (especially a OHKO To MegaZor with Superpower + SR, so no killing himself). He is a formidable wall-breaker (especially at +2), and considering he will likely have some investment in HP, he is actually quite bulky. Even if there is no Defog, he can still grab momentum with U-Turn.
He would sport the single most-powerful Extremespeed in the entire metagame (even in Ubers !) and he can do a lot of work even without Defiant, and it becomes crazy with Defiant :
252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 255-300 (85.5 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Medicham: 237-280 (90.8 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 288-339 (100.6 - 118.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 249-294 (73 - 86.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Thundurus: 277-327 (92.3 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 339-400 (88.7 - 104.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 207-243 (60.1 - 70.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 265-313 (63 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Brave Bird vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 309-365 (110.7 - 130.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Medicham: 237-280 (90.8 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 288-339 (100.6 - 118.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 249-294 (73 - 86.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Thundurus: 277-327 (92.3 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 339-400 (88.7 - 104.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 207-243 (60.1 - 70.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 265-313 (63 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Braviary Brave Bird vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 309-365 (110.7 - 130.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Regenerator Starmie
Meh. Without Analytic, Starmie offense is underwhelming in this metagame. And he does not exactly have the bulk required for a bulky set. And he lacks proper hit-and-run tools (mainly U-Turn / Volt-Switch). The only set I could see working is an Assault Vest one, like Tornadus-T, with possible Rapid Spin utility. That's definitely not bad (it's not a bad check to Landorus, for instance) but well... I don't see Starmie being more useful with this. Honestly, if I use Starmie, it's for Analytic.
Sticky Web Accelgor
Valmanway is right : Accelgor has a nice array of utility. He has a 364 HP Final Gambit at best, Spikes, Encore with Infestation, U-Turn and Knock Off, with its gigantic speed. Unlike Galvantula, you can still do stuff after you have set up Sticky Web, and most mon definitely don't want to Defog in front of this guy (well, they can still kill him but still).
It's, however, nothing metagame-defining. He is still weak and incredibly frail. He has his strengths though, and, with Sticky Web, a reason to use them. Maybe a nice pick for heavy-offense team who wants Sticky Web support, or even alongside Deoxys-D (with U-Turn then).
Wow, quite a long post.
EDIT : Ha, got ninja'd on the Aromatisse.
I didn't vote because that was the least interesting group of mons probably ever. And by group i mean Togekiss and Gourgeist as there was no Rhyperior and nobody was going to vote for Drug.
The new 4 though are all pretty interesting and i could see all 4 making an impact on OU. With Starmie as the most dubious one. And yes, that's only because it's a Psychic type and you better do something important to warrant a spot in my team with a type as bad as Ice. Starmie has good bulk, and can take resisted attacks well enough, she also causes a lot of switches and she is definitely the type to come in use a move and switch out so regenerator helps it out. Still, being a Psychic type is too crippling and there are better pokemon to waste your Psychic spot on(although tbh you shouldn't be using any Psychic[or Ice] pokemon). So that's a negative on Starmie. Braviary is, design wise, one of the best pokemon in the game and needs to be as dominant, influential and scary as the great state it represents. With access to the strongest, fastest priority in the game it could be a little useful. It doesn't really break it that much as it doesn't hit anything super effectively. Having access to Defiant and Defog is pretty interesting though. It also has access Superpower to hit rock types with... I still think it's not as intimidating as Talonflame because the inability to scare anybody other than very frail pokemon. Talonflame is great because it scares so much. Not of how hard it hits. Sticky Web Accelgor is the yawn boring one. It's instantly OU material, outclassing the crappy electric spider. It's guaranteed usage but the impact is boring since Sticky Web sucks and it's the worst entry hazard. Yawn.
Fur Coat Aromatisse is the only one here that becomes truly scary. It becomes what Fairies where hyped up to be: Dragon counters. Fairy is a dominant type, with extremely mediocre pokemon and this is why Game Freak needs to balance the type. As soon as a single good pokemon gets this typing it becomes all too apparent the type was overpowered on purpose to attract trainers. The type itself has made total garbage pokemon actually useful and something this bulky breaks it. It's support movepool is amazing and it can do what it needs to. Access to wish, aromatherapy, Reflect and Moonblast make it extremely good. I love my dragons, and one pokemon won't stop their rampage, but it hurts me to admit i want to see what a good pokemon can do with the fairy typing. Defensively speaking i mean.
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I feel that was can kind of a weak slate, thus lost interest. This current slate is much better IMO.
Fur Coat Aromatisse
Holy crap yo. Fur Coat makes Aromatisse the second physically bulkiest mon in the game - without relying on Eviolite or a Mega Stone. With maximum investment, Fur Coat gives it the equivalent of ~193 Base Defense, backed by 101 base HP. To give an idea, here it's tankiness (HP*Def) compared to other physically defensive stalwarts, the only mons to break the 175,000 mark with maximum investment.
231012 Rhydon w/ Eviolite
216804 Aromatisse w/ Fur Coat
211554 Doublade w/ Eviolite
211216 Mega Aggron
202176 Lairon w/ Eviolite
202122 Regirock
199472 Avalugg
193992 Steelix
189060 Onix w/ Eviolite
187488 Giratina-A
180694 Tangela w/ Eviolite
176952 Mega Tyranitar
175338 Landorus-T w/ Intimidate
It does this with a great defensive typing, decent 99 SpA, and 101/89 Special Defenses backing it up.
This slate for sure going to be between Aromatisse and Braviary, although Full_Korbe makes some great points that kind of diminish Braviary for me. Starmie generally prefers Natural Cure or Analytic, as it lacks U-turn/Volt Switch to make a truly great pivot. And I'd rather use Galvantula or Shuckle for Sticky Web. Galv has better offensive presence, while Shuckle can also pull off the guaranteed 2 layers of hazards (by being bulky as fuck instead of fast), except this time it's Web + SR instead of Web + 1 spike.
EDIT#40586 - Also, Starmie is ranked B-. Ya done derped again. Discovered this while looking up Shuckle's rank, who is also B-. Totes wanted to nominate Leech Seed Shuckle =(
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Fur Coat Aromatisse: Aromatisse actually has pretty balanced defenses, so it can easily afford to run max SDef and let Fur Coat cover its Defense. Look at these calcs:
252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Aromatisse: 324-382 (79.8 - 94%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Aromatisse: 140-165 (34.4 - 40.6%) -- 50.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Aromatisse: 124-147 (30.5 - 36.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
It has the HP to make 101 HP Subs, too. It does lack the firepower of Sylveon, though, and is abysmally slow.
Extreme Speed Braviary: I think this thing still has a lot of competition from Staraptor. While Braviary has more longevity due to natural bulk and not becoming easier to kill every time it uses a move that's not U-Turn, it also carries less power than Staraptor which becomes even less when it uses its main coverage move, Superpower. Defiant doesn't seem like it would matter much considering that Braviary itself gets Defog and could run it if it wants (I was considering submitting Gale Wings Braviary for a time partially for priority on it, but then I realized that it became extremely powerful because of it). It might serve as Intimidate deterrent, though.
Regenerator Starmie: I can't believe nobody has thought of this before. It fits perfectly flavor-wise (it even already gets Natural Cure), and Regenerator on a Spinner means that it doesn't have to worry about healing off hazard damage. However, it already has Recover to do this, and it also loses out on status absorption if it doesn't run Natural Cure. It also doesn't solve the things that have ruined Starmie's usage: The Ghost buff and the introduction of Aegislash. Never mind, apparently Starmie is ineligible.
Sticky Web Accelgor: I'm undecided about this thing. While it has the fastest Knock Off in the game, its laughable bulk means that it gets destroyed afterward. Granted, it also has the fastest U-Turn in the game, but with a lackluster base 70 Attack, it's not much better than a hard switch and probably isn't worth the moveslot. Because of this, it can't really do much outside of Webbing. Volbeat that was on the slate to get it a while back (I kind of want it to make a comeback now, despite bashing it before) at least had other support like Tail Glow + Baton Pass, and Galvantula threatens many Defoggers with STAB Compound Eyes Thunder.
252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Aromatisse: 324-382 (79.8 - 94%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Aromatisse: 140-165 (34.4 - 40.6%) -- 50.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Aromatisse: 124-147 (30.5 - 36.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
It has the HP to make 101 HP Subs, too. It does lack the firepower of Sylveon, though, and is abysmally slow.
Extreme Speed Braviary: I think this thing still has a lot of competition from Staraptor. While Braviary has more longevity due to natural bulk and not becoming easier to kill every time it uses a move that's not U-Turn, it also carries less power than Staraptor which becomes even less when it uses its main coverage move, Superpower. Defiant doesn't seem like it would matter much considering that Braviary itself gets Defog and could run it if it wants (I was considering submitting Gale Wings Braviary for a time partially for priority on it, but then I realized that it became extremely powerful because of it). It might serve as Intimidate deterrent, though.
Sticky Web Accelgor: I'm undecided about this thing. While it has the fastest Knock Off in the game, its laughable bulk means that it gets destroyed afterward. Granted, it also has the fastest U-Turn in the game, but with a lackluster base 70 Attack, it's not much better than a hard switch and probably isn't worth the moveslot. Because of this, it can't really do much outside of Webbing. Volbeat that was on the slate to get it a while back (I kind of want it to make a comeback now, despite bashing it before) at least had other support like Tail Glow + Baton Pass, and Galvantula threatens many Defoggers with STAB Compound Eyes Thunder.
Here is my opinion about the theorymons and the reason why i put them in the slate:
Fur Coat Aromatisse (Red Coat)
Fur Coat Aromatisse is a great mixed wall, that can check or wall all kinds of scary attackers such as Garchomp, Mega Pinsir, Roost-less Mega Charizard X, Azumarill, BU-less Talonflame, Dragonite, Greninja, Deoxys-S, Latios, Latias, Rotom-W, Mega Medicham, Mega Tyranitar, Mega Garchomp, and Mamoswine, just from S and A ranks. This is the kind of mixed bulk that OU has been lacking, and Aromatisse will make a great addition for balanced and stall teams, being able to deal with a ton of Pokemon and provide ample of team support with Wish and Aromatherapy. Why it won't be too strong defensively? Because many Pokemon can get past it or counter it, such as SD Aegislash, Mold Breaker Excadrill, Kyurem-B, SD Mega Scizor, Mega Gyarados, SD Bisharp, Mega Charizard Y, NP Thundurus, Sludge Wave Landorus, Calm Mind Unaware Clefable, SD Mega Mawile, Gengar, BU Talonflame, Mega Gardevoir, Suicune, and Diggersby, among many others. It's basically a really physically bulky Fairy-type that isn't afraid to switch into strong physical attackers like Clefable, and can actually wall special Pokemon unlike Quagsire, while obviously being also much physically bulkier than it and being able to wall Pokemon such as CB Azumarill, Mamoswine, and Mega Garchomp that Quagsire can't.
Extremspeed Braviary (Valmanway)
I love this one! With priority as strong as Talonflame's but with the ability to outrun opposing priority users, Braviary has finally a reason to be used. Defiant it lets punish Defog users pretty hard, sweep offensive teams in a moment's notice. For example, here is how much a +2 LO ES does to even bulky offensive Pokemon:
However, even if Braviary doesn't manage to get the Defiant boost, you still have a priority user with the same power of Talonflame, that has better bulk, is less weak to SR, is way stronger and with way better coverage which means it is way harder to wall, and which can also outpriority any Pokemon in OU, unlike Talonflame which loses to stuff such as Aqua Jet Kabutops in rain, Extremespeed Dragonite, and Thunder Wave Thundurus. Even without Defiant, Braviary still has many reasons to be used. And to top it all off, Braviary dgaf about King's Shield and Intimidate unlike most physical attackers, and has a very good competitive movepool consisting of Brave Bird, Shadow Claw, Superpower, Brick Break, U-turn, Substitute, Bulk Up, and Roost, allowing Braviary to run multiple sets such as LO all out attacker, bulky BU sweeper, and CB user. However, Braviary is very checkable, especially if you don't use Defog as it switches in, and even then it can be walled. Without the +2 boost, a ton of Pokemon can check and counter it, so it's very manageable.
tl;dr this theorymon is the second coming of jesus, Braviary will change everything in OU, vote for it and you will see it. (pardon the obvious exaggeration but honestly it's really good :D) And i included it because it checks a ton of offensive Pokemon while being very manageable for defensive and bulky Pokemon.
Regenerator Starmie (Tomahawk9)
Regenerator will make Starmie's bulky sets viable again, freeing up a moveslot to use Thunderbolt or Ice Beam. Scald / Psyshock / (Ice Beam / Thunder Wave) / Rapid Spin is a good moveset, and with max HP, Starmie can check Pokemon such as Keldeo, Mega Gyarados, Terrakion, and Garchomp. And while it's true that it can't switch into a lot of Pokemon, a fast Rapid Spin with respectable power and coverage could make Starmie very useful. Scald says fuck you to Aegislash and any Pursuit user, so that's great too. Overall though, i am not that impressed about this one, though Mienshao has already showed us how great Regenerator can be on an offensive Pokemon even if you are frail as fuck, and Starmie has more bulk, resistanes, and huge utility with Rapid Spin, so i think even offensive sets will be way better with Regenerator. It's an interesting theorymon in a vague way as the right elements are there, but i can't really imagine how they will combined together to make Starmie better in this metagame. I think it has potential though, which is why i included it.
Sticky Web Accelgor (Jaroda)
''Why will this be any different from Sticky Web Galvantula or the Prankster Sticky Web Volbeat theorymon that nobody voted for alexwolf?'' is what some people may think and the answer is simple: Final Gambit baby! With Accelgor's blazing Speed, Accelgor can suicide to prevent any Defog or Rapid Spin from getting rid of Sticky Web, while simultaneously allowing you to bring in the correct Pokemon and keep momentum. This is huge and can't be stressed enough. Accelgor is the Sticky Web user that can keep Sticky Web up for the longest time out of all the other users, and the most reliable at doing so. Add to the mix Spikes, Yawn, and Encore, which can cause a ton of switches and give enough time to Accelgor to set up both hazards, and you have a great suicide lead at the very least. So, Accelgor would be the most viable Sticky Web user imo, and it would be very interesting to see its impact on the metagame, which is why i included it, as it's a shame that the best existing Sticky Web user is Shuckle.
EDIT: Damn me and my silliness, again forgetting that one of the competitors is B-. Sorry guys, i will be more careful from now on. Even though Starmie can't be voted on later, you are still free to discuss its potential in OU.
Fur Coat Aromatisse (Red Coat)
Fur Coat Aromatisse is a great mixed wall, that can check or wall all kinds of scary attackers such as Garchomp, Mega Pinsir, Roost-less Mega Charizard X, Azumarill, BU-less Talonflame, Dragonite, Greninja, Deoxys-S, Latios, Latias, Rotom-W, Mega Medicham, Mega Tyranitar, Mega Garchomp, and Mamoswine, just from S and A ranks. This is the kind of mixed bulk that OU has been lacking, and Aromatisse will make a great addition for balanced and stall teams, being able to deal with a ton of Pokemon and provide ample of team support with Wish and Aromatherapy. Why it won't be too strong defensively? Because many Pokemon can get past it or counter it, such as SD Aegislash, Mold Breaker Excadrill, Kyurem-B, SD Mega Scizor, Mega Gyarados, SD Bisharp, Mega Charizard Y, NP Thundurus, Sludge Wave Landorus, Calm Mind Unaware Clefable, SD Mega Mawile, Gengar, BU Talonflame, Mega Gardevoir, Suicune, and Diggersby, among many others. It's basically a really physically bulky Fairy-type that isn't afraid to switch into strong physical attackers like Clefable, and can actually wall special Pokemon unlike Quagsire, while obviously being also much physically bulkier than it and being able to wall Pokemon such as CB Azumarill, Mamoswine, and Mega Garchomp that Quagsire can't.
Extremspeed Braviary (Valmanway)
I love this one! With priority as strong as Talonflame's but with the ability to outrun opposing priority users, Braviary has finally a reason to be used. Defiant it lets punish Defog users pretty hard, sweep offensive teams in a moment's notice. For example, here is how much a +2 LO ES does to even bulky offensive Pokemon:
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 374-442 (104.4 - 123.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 165-195 (48.2 - 57%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Terrakion: 195-230 (60.3 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Aerodactyl: 205-242 (67.8 - 80.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Excadrill: 270-320 (74.5 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kabutops: 172-203 (65.6 - 77.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 294-348 (90.7 - 107.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Superpower vs. 132 HP / 0 Def Mega Mawile: 296-350 (108 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 247-292 (81.2 - 96%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Zapdos: 290-343 (75.5 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 374-442 (88.2 - 104.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
- +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 153-182 (45.8 - 54.4%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
However, even if Braviary doesn't manage to get the Defiant boost, you still have a priority user with the same power of Talonflame, that has better bulk, is less weak to SR, is way stronger and with way better coverage which means it is way harder to wall, and which can also outpriority any Pokemon in OU, unlike Talonflame which loses to stuff such as Aqua Jet Kabutops in rain, Extremespeed Dragonite, and Thunder Wave Thundurus. Even without Defiant, Braviary still has many reasons to be used. And to top it all off, Braviary dgaf about King's Shield and Intimidate unlike most physical attackers, and has a very good competitive movepool consisting of Brave Bird, Shadow Claw, Superpower, Brick Break, U-turn, Substitute, Bulk Up, and Roost, allowing Braviary to run multiple sets such as LO all out attacker, bulky BU sweeper, and CB user. However, Braviary is very checkable, especially if you don't use Defog as it switches in, and even then it can be walled. Without the +2 boost, a ton of Pokemon can check and counter it, so it's very manageable.
tl;dr this theorymon is the second coming of jesus, Braviary will change everything in OU, vote for it and you will see it. (pardon the obvious exaggeration but honestly it's really good :D) And i included it because it checks a ton of offensive Pokemon while being very manageable for defensive and bulky Pokemon.
Regenerator Starmie (Tomahawk9)
Regenerator will make Starmie's bulky sets viable again, freeing up a moveslot to use Thunderbolt or Ice Beam. Scald / Psyshock / (Ice Beam / Thunder Wave) / Rapid Spin is a good moveset, and with max HP, Starmie can check Pokemon such as Keldeo, Mega Gyarados, Terrakion, and Garchomp. And while it's true that it can't switch into a lot of Pokemon, a fast Rapid Spin with respectable power and coverage could make Starmie very useful. Scald says fuck you to Aegislash and any Pursuit user, so that's great too. Overall though, i am not that impressed about this one, though Mienshao has already showed us how great Regenerator can be on an offensive Pokemon even if you are frail as fuck, and Starmie has more bulk, resistanes, and huge utility with Rapid Spin, so i think even offensive sets will be way better with Regenerator. It's an interesting theorymon in a vague way as the right elements are there, but i can't really imagine how they will combined together to make Starmie better in this metagame. I think it has potential though, which is why i included it.
Sticky Web Accelgor (Jaroda)
''Why will this be any different from Sticky Web Galvantula or the Prankster Sticky Web Volbeat theorymon that nobody voted for alexwolf?'' is what some people may think and the answer is simple: Final Gambit baby! With Accelgor's blazing Speed, Accelgor can suicide to prevent any Defog or Rapid Spin from getting rid of Sticky Web, while simultaneously allowing you to bring in the correct Pokemon and keep momentum. This is huge and can't be stressed enough. Accelgor is the Sticky Web user that can keep Sticky Web up for the longest time out of all the other users, and the most reliable at doing so. Add to the mix Spikes, Yawn, and Encore, which can cause a ton of switches and give enough time to Accelgor to set up both hazards, and you have a great suicide lead at the very least. So, Accelgor would be the most viable Sticky Web user imo, and it would be very interesting to see its impact on the metagame, which is why i included it, as it's a shame that the best existing Sticky Web user is Shuckle.
EDIT: Damn me and my silliness, again forgetting that one of the competitors is B-. Sorry guys, i will be more careful from now on. Even though Starmie can't be voted on later, you are still free to discuss its potential in OU.
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Haha, I think you're getting a bit too into this.
Nah, i am just exaggerating a bit for fun and to hype this thing up, though i don't have problem no matter which theorymon wins, all are pretty great!
lol I hear ya!
You got my username wrong. In two separate posts. :(
At least you described Aromatisse very well. It might also be able to utilize a Calm Mind + Draining Kiss set.
Braviary is very good no doubt. I am personally not very interested in more priority bird spam. It can either use Extreme Speed to kill fast and frail threats, or it can use Brave Bird to break defensive threats down. It seems like a very offensive minded buff to me.
Yeah, Gary messed with the rankings a bit. Starmie is now C+, so it is eligible for the theorymon.
Oh god. Please no Draining Kiss. Please no.
Aromatisse and Braviary both seem like very potent threats in the current metagame. However, all those buff does is to simply increase their own viability without giving anything to the metagame in return.
Aromatisse is in no way healthy for the meta since a CM/Wish/Amoratheraphy/Moonblast set is nigh impossible to break past. Rather than being a mindless offensive buff, it is a mindless defensive buff, slapping Fur Coat on just anything with good special bulk, reliable recovery and has fur to make it good. My personal view of a good defensive buff are ones that balance off top threats instead of walling everything that exist.
As for Braviary, it definitely works well, but the last thing the Metagame needs is something a buff to hyper offense.
I don't get what Starmie is supposed to do. As a Life Orb attacker, Starmie is outclassed by Greninja. As a offensive spinner, it prefers Analytic to 2HKO Aegislash without having to eat a Shadow Ball (Shadow Sneak cannot OHKO even after 2 rounds of recoil). As a defensive spinner it already has Recover and prefers Natural Cure.
As for Accelgor, blocking Defog with Final Gambit is cool, but the value of Sticky Web itself is questionable, with many relevant threats immune to it.
Aromatisse is in no way healthy for the meta since a CM/Wish/Amoratheraphy/Moonblast set is nigh impossible to break past. Rather than being a mindless offensive buff, it is a mindless defensive buff, slapping Fur Coat on just anything with good special bulk, reliable recovery and has fur to make it good. My personal view of a good defensive buff are ones that balance off top threats instead of walling everything that exist.
As for Braviary, it definitely works well, but the last thing the Metagame needs is something a buff to hyper offense.
I don't get what Starmie is supposed to do. As a Life Orb attacker, Starmie is outclassed by Greninja. As a offensive spinner, it prefers Analytic to 2HKO Aegislash without having to eat a Shadow Ball (Shadow Sneak cannot OHKO even after 2 rounds of recoil). As a defensive spinner it already has Recover and prefers Natural Cure.
As for Accelgor, blocking Defog with Final Gambit is cool, but the value of Sticky Web itself is questionable, with many relevant threats immune to it.
As far as impacting the meta goes:
I don't think that Starmie will have any impact.
Braviary will add another to the list of scary freaking flying types as well as a powerful defiant abuser.
Aromatisse would probably see an increase powerful wall/stall breakers.
Accelgor will increase the flying spam further but possibly increase the power of Trick Room if it sees enough use
I don't think that Starmie will have any impact.
Braviary will add another to the list of scary freaking flying types as well as a powerful defiant abuser.
Aromatisse would probably see an increase powerful wall/stall breakers.
Accelgor will increase the flying spam further but possibly increase the power of Trick Room if it sees enough use
furfrou has 75/60 physical bulk and it is bulkier than tangrowth
+2 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Furfrou: 159-188 (44.9 - 53.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 201-237 (49.7 - 58.6%) -- 68.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
aromatisse has 101/72 physical bulk and it is bulkier than avalugg
+2 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Aromatisse: 144-169 (35.4 - 41.6%) -- 81.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 150-177 (38 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
there is a reason gamefreak doesn't give huge/pure power to things that already have a decent attack stat. giving fur coat to something with reliable recovery and already has decent physical bulk is just stupid and broken. I hope you like using excadrill.
+2 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Furfrou: 159-188 (44.9 - 53.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 201-237 (49.7 - 58.6%) -- 68.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
aromatisse has 101/72 physical bulk and it is bulkier than avalugg
+2 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Aromatisse: 144-169 (35.4 - 41.6%) -- 81.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 150-177 (38 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
there is a reason gamefreak doesn't give huge/pure power to things that already have a decent attack stat. giving fur coat to something with reliable recovery and already has decent physical bulk is just stupid and broken. I hope you like using excadrill.
So I see that in the end Fur Coat Aromatisse is a beast. Honestly this position reminds me of last theorymon, when prankster Gourgeist was obviously the better option, but too good for his own good. Not saying that this is AS broken, but if there's something I find annoying, that's walls impossible to take down.
As for now, the option more likeli to get my vote is Braviary, whose boost is very interesting but not OP.
Me and everybody alse already said how useless Regenerator Starmie is. And I agree about Accelgor. An excellent hazard lead, but Galvantula is superior for sure.
As for now, the option more likeli to get my vote is Braviary, whose boost is very interesting but not OP.
Me and everybody alse already said how useless Regenerator Starmie is. And I agree about Accelgor. An excellent hazard lead, but Galvantula is superior for sure.
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