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Slightly tangential, but Elon has honestly been the most persuasive example of how the respect for ultra wealthy people is unearned to my liberal/centrist friends. Just because he’s a billionaire doesn’t mean he can’t be a dumbfuck like the rest of us, and observably he is a dumbfuck.
 
I hate Elon Musk but this will probably end badly for Moraes, there is no way twitter will be down for long.

I don't think it will. I give the span of a month at most, but also I wonder if it won't explode on elons ass before it does on moraes. Ultimately a lot of users can still use threads/insta/bsky/facebook/whatsapp/peepeepoopoo whatever and while right wing vultures are trying to capitalize it on the censorship claim, brazilian users are a good portion of the twitter userbase and that drop in users is not going to make any investors or anyone in the chain happy. it's the question of if elon is more worried about the pr fiasco within the company or the fact that if he complies he will be tried.
 
You know, if you told me 10 years ago that a conservative presidential candidate would be photographed standing over the grave of a soldier with a shit-eating grin giving a thumbs up and nobody would really bat an eye I'd have thought that would have been way too mask off for this timeline, and yet here we are.


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Seriously, to the (probably imaginary) conservatives who post in this thread and aren't just trolls, does this not rub you the wrong way even a little bit? Do you not consider yourself the party of supporting veterans and the military? Drop the trolling and the owning-the-libs and the teamsports mentality for a minute, surely you have at least some capacity for introspection. I'm firmly in the camp of the U.S. military being a tool for subjugation and imperialism and would love to slash its budget by like a factor of 20, and this would leave a sour taste in my mouth even if it was someone I liked doing it.
 
Wait why is trump doing something a leftist who hates the military would do lmfao. what is bro COOKING i thought his entire campaign was to go full right wing alt right and that includes military support!!!!! Though i guess some of the alt right branches hate the federal military and love sheriffs and cops instead, so maybe this is actually a 5d chess move lol.

Is there any context to any military distaste to conservative and right wing branches beyond those qanon specific we-hate-the-fbi branches? or is trump just being crazy
 
You know, if you told me 10 years ago that a conservative presidential candidate would be photographed standing over the grave of a soldier with a shit-eating grin giving a thumbs up and nobody would really bat an eye I'd have thought that would have been way too mask off for this timeline, and yet here we are.


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Seriously, to the (probably imaginary) conservatives who post in this thread and aren't just trolls, does this not rub you the wrong way even a little bit? Do you not consider yourself the party of supporting veterans and the military? Drop the trolling and the owning-the-libs and the teamsports mentality for a minute, surely you have at least some capacity for introspection. I'm firmly in the camp of the U.S. military being a tool for subjugation and imperialism and would love to slash its budget by like a factor of 20, and this would leave a sour taste in my mouth even if it was someone I liked doing it.
This is the draft-dodger who once played "Fortunate Son" at a rally. At this point, any remaining "pro-soldier" Trump supporters have already resolved the cognitive dissonance of it all.
Is there any context to any military distaste to conservative and right wing branches beyond those qanon specific we-hate-the-fbi branches? or is trump just being crazy
Trump has never had any respect for the military (see: calling dead soldiers "suckers" and "losers"), so this is pretty in-line with his attitude. What's shocking to me is that his people didn't stop him from doing this, and even seem to have been on board with it. I guess the Trump camp must be well-stocked with yes men at this point.
 
Wait why is trump doing something a leftist who hates the military would do lmfao. what is bro COOKING i thought his entire campaign was to go full right wing alt right and that includes military support!!!!! Though i guess some of the alt right branches hate the federal military and love sheriffs and cops instead, so maybe this is actually a 5d chess move lol.

Is there any context to any military distaste to conservative and right wing branches beyond those qanon specific we-hate-the-fbi branches? or is trump just being crazy
I'm pretty sure that he's trying to paint this as something in support of the military? Kind of like when he like kissed the helmet of the firefighter who died in the assassination attempt. It looks insulting, but I think he's genuinely presenting it as a positive. In the sense that he's like, endorsing whatever is in the picture with him
 
So, in Gaza this weekend:
  • 640,000 children under age 10 need to be vaccinated.
  • 1.26 million doses have been delivered to Gaza, so children can receive the required two doses, four weeks apart.
  • 2,700 health workers will help administer the vaccines in the plan coordinated by Gaza’s Ministry of Health together with the WHO, UNICEF, UNRWA and others.
  • 3 days – the initial length of a “humanitarian pause”, from 6am to 3pm, to allow the vaccination plan rollout, although WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says only a ceasefire will protect the health of Gaza’s children.
  • 99 percent – Gaza’s vaccination rate against polio before the war.
  • 25 years – how long Gaza went without any cases of polio.
  • 10 months – the age of Abdel-Rahman, the Palestinian baby who is now partially paralysed from polio.
Tell me how you know it’s a genocidal war without telling me it’s a genocidal war.

3 days for 2700 health workers to vaccinate 640,000 children in 72 hours.

My faith in humanity is being propped up this year by every single one of those brave, tireless, humanitarian aid workers and agencies trying to save lives in Palestine.
 
somebody know about the gov crisis in France?

I think they're in a stalemate that can't be solved by re-elections. The country's too politically split and too instable to form a proper gov at this point in time

Btw pretty fucking wild how they're in their FIFTH republic and standing before their sixth. Most European countries are in their second or third republic
 
Tell me how you know it’s a genocidal war without telling me it’s a genocidal war.

3 days for 2700 health workers to vaccinate 640,000 children in 72 hours.

My faith in humanity is being propped up this year by every single one of those brave, tireless, humanitarian aid workers and agencies trying to save lives in Palestine.

It's still genocide, but the plan is to divide Gaza in central, southern and northern regions and vacinate for 3 days in each region with a possible fourth day if it's necessary so at most 12 days of vacination campaign in godawful conditions.

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somebody know about the gov crisis in France?

I think they're in a stalemate that can't be solved by re-elections. The country's too politically split and too instable to form a proper gov at this point in time

Btw pretty fucking wild how they're in their FIFTH republic and standing before their sixth. Most European countries are in their second or third republic
yea been reading about this a bit this morning. kind of insane (tho on-brand i suspect) that macron can just be like <<yea no we just aren't going to let the left have anything. fuck you.>> i presume the famously apathetic french will have nothing to say about this
 
somebody know about the gov crisis in France?

I think they're in a stalemate that can't be solved by re-elections. The country's too politically split and too instable to form a proper gov at this point in time

Btw pretty fucking wild how they're in their FIFTH republic and standing before their sixth. Most European countries are in their second or third republic

it was pretty funny to see libs pointing at france to show how voting actually works guys and then macron decided that left wing results were bad and just denied it. like sorry boss but its gonna be violent protests that solve it again
 
It's still genocide, but the plan is to divide Gaza in central, southern and northern regions and vaccinate for 3 days in each region with a possible fourth day if it's necessary so at most 12 days of vaccination campaign in godawful conditions.

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The numbers just don't add up. 2700 people to vaccinate 640,000 children in disaparate bits of a warzone. Even those 12 "days" (which are 3+1 across the three areas, as you said) are nowhere near enough time to do them all or, I dare say, a sizeable amount.

It's stuff like this that can push a man to drink buy Pokemon merchandise.
 
Republican Senator Graham blames ‘Great Satan’ Iran for captive deaths
Hardline US Senator Lindsey Graham has blamed Iran for the death of six Israeli captives in Gaza and pressed the administration of US President Joe and Israel’s government to target Tehran’s oil refineries in response.

“If you want the hostages home, which we all do, you have to increase the cost to Iran. Iran is the Great Satan. Hamas is the junior partner,” Graham told the ABC news programme This Week.

“I would urge the Biden administration and Israel to hold Iran accountable for the fate of [the] remaining hostages, and put on the target list oil refineries in Iran if the hostages are not released.”

Graham told Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to “tell the Ayatollah [Ali Khamenei] what he values is on the target list. Until that happens, nobody is coming home”.

Man, I thought British politicians were generally a bit dim on foreign policy and diplomacy but this Senator Lindsey Graham is a dumb ****ing **** isn’t he?

And some of you Americans voted for this guy?

Really?

Bonkers.
 
Man, I thought British politicians were generally a bit dim on foreign policy and diplomacy but this Senator Lindsey Graham is a dumb ****ing **** isn’t he?

And some of you Americans voted for this guy?

Really?

Bonkers.
If you live in a very red state, your vote effectively does not matter. The same is true of extremely deep blue states. South Carolina is, and take it from me, a very, very red state. From what I can tell even most hardline Republicans here hate him but will vote for him over literally anyone with a D next to them on the poll. The first past the post electoral system makes it so that you have a LOT of deeply unpopular people winning their seats for literal decades (McConnell) because the numbers simply don't exist to oppose them unless you have the unfortunate zero possibility scenario of quite literally 100% of the populace voting occur, which won't happen.
 
If you live in a very red state, your vote effectively does not matter. The same is true of extremely deep blue states. South Carolina is, and take it from me, a very, very red state. From what I can tell even most hardline Republicans here hate him but will vote for him over literally anyone with a D next to them on the poll. The first past the post electoral system makes it so that you have a LOT of deeply unpopular people winning their seats for literal decades (McConnell) because the numbers simply don't exist to oppose them unless you have the unfortunate zero possibility scenario of quite literally 100% of the populace voting occur, which won't happen.
So similar issues to us. We live in a very unfair world. Albeit I am able to do this from the relative safety of my living room in west London.
 
If you live in a very red state, your vote effectively does not matter. The same is true of extremely deep blue states.

This is a nonsensical statement to start any electoral discussion. Even if the top line candidate for President / Senate is “predetermined,” all 435 US House seats, local elections, and ballot initiatives are on the same ballot as Pres / Senate. Republicans won the House in 2022 solely because Democrats in “safe” New York and California had a fucking disastrous election. VP Harris “losing less” in red states and convicted felon Trump “losing less” in blue have huge effects on the down ballot races. That’s why Trump grifting the GOP out of GOTV infrastructure to keep himself out of jail forecasts an electoral bloodbath for them in November.
 
This is a nonsensical statement to start any electoral discussion. Even if the top line candidate for President / Senate is “predetermined,” all 435 US House seats, local elections, and ballot initiatives are on the same ballot as Pres / Senate. Republicans won the House in 2022 solely because Democrats in “safe” New York and California had a fucking disastrous election. VP Harris “losing less” in red states and convicted felon Trump “losing less” in blue have huge effects on the down ballot races. That’s why Trump grifting the GOP out of GOTV infrastructure to keep himself out of jail forecasts an electoral bloodbath for them in November.
I'd like to boost this: Even if you live in a Republican-dominated state, and you don't feel like your vote for President is going to be of significant consequence, you can still try to bring significant change to your locality by voting blue down the ticket. A key part of the Republican strategy is capitalizing on ignorance and apathy among Democrat voters when it comes to local politics in order to build coalitions of local power and impose their ideology on places where it is not actually that popular. Successfully bucking this can do a lot for your local area.
 
I never said I didn't vote. I'm merely stating how it is that wildly unpopular people manage to stay in Congress for decades like Graham or McConnell. I voted Blue all the way downballot in 2020, including Jamie Harrison over Graham. We still lost by like 9 percentage points though, and that was after a pretty far reaching ad buy from Harrison to combat Graham.
It isn't literally impossible to oust them, but if it were that easy, someone like McConnell wouldn't still be in power. I suppose my point was more that, especially in particularly partisan states, you can win almost exclusively by your party affiliation, even if you're as obviously stupid and a hypocrite as Lindsey Graham.
 
I never said I didn't vote. I'm merely stating how it is that wildly unpopular people manage to stay in Congress for decades like Graham or McConnell. I voted Blue all the way downballot in 2020, including Jamie Harrison over Graham. We still lost by like 9 percentage points though, and that was after a pretty far reaching ad buy from Harrison to combat Graham.
It isn't literally impossible to oust them, but if it were that easy, someone like McConnell wouldn't still be in power. I suppose my point was more that, especially in particularly partisan states, you can win almost exclusively by your party affiliation, even if you're as obviously stupid and a hypocrite as Lindsey Graham.

Speaking of:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/iran-hamas-lindsey-graham-00176970

“If you want the hostages home,” Graham told host Jonathan Karl, “which we all do, you have to increase the cost to Iran. Iran is the great Satan here. Hamas is the junior partner. They’re barbaric, religious nazis, Hamas.”

The senator had a specific set of targets in mind.
“I would urge the Biden administration and Israel to hold Iran accountable for the fate of remaining hostages and put on the target list oil refineries in Iran if the hostages are not released,” he said.

No one likes Hamas or Iran, we get that. You don’t get Hamas or Iran interfering in Israel, if Israel wasn’t occupying Palestine and invoking apartheid policies, and now, genocide.

Talking about treating the symptoms rather than the cause…
 
I never said I didn't vote. I'm merely stating how it is that wildly unpopular people manage to stay in Congress for decades like Graham or McConnell. I voted Blue all the way downballot in 2020, including Jamie Harrison over Graham. We still lost by like 9 percentage points though, and that was after a pretty far reaching ad buy from Harrison to combat Graham.
It isn't literally impossible to oust them, but if it were that easy, someone like McConnell wouldn't still be in power. I suppose my point was more that, especially in particularly partisan states, you can win almost exclusively by your party affiliation, even if you're as obviously stupid and a hypocrite as Lindsey Graham.

Yes, party affiliation is that powerful. Although it doesn’t stop the right-wing corporate media for gassing up goons like Republican Larry Hogan winning in deep blue Maryland. Funny how Republicans always seem to have a “chance” but Democrats should just quit and go home.

Ousting jokers like Lindsay Graham and Ted Cruz happens from the bottom up not from the top down. Georgia has became purple so quickly due to the work of Stacey Abrams and grassroots organizations that were registering the fuck out of people for multiple cycles. Occasionally you will get a terrible candidate like Roy Moore in an open seat race like Alabama who can be beaten. Very hard to unseat an incumbent Senator in a partisan state though…
 
TV Ad Reservations in Presidential Battlegrounds

#PAPol: $70.8M vs $70.6M
#GAPol: $39M vs $38.7M
#MIPol: $55.2M vs $6.6M
#AZPol: $34.9M vs $9.9M
#WIPol: $33.1M vs $3.5M
#NCPol: $26M vs $2.8M
#NVPol: $19.5M vs $1.4M

Trump campaign seems to be going all in on PA and Georgia, with the implication that they view NC as an extremely unlikely Dem flip. NC + PA + GA wins get trump to 270. Not too much to take away beyond that, other than this is an extremely defensive strategy for Trump, and Mark Robinson’s campaign for governor in North Carolina is an X factor that could lose NC for the GOP (https://www.npr.org/2024/03/13/1238...r-has-a-long-history-of-controversial-remarks).
 
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