Worse of course,
You can sort of control those things more when breeding.
Does syncronize work in the Safari Zones/Marsh
You can sort of control those things more when breeding.
Does syncronize work in the Safari Zones/Marsh
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The Safari Festival (Or, a personal attempt at a metagame)
- Thread starter Lorak
- Start date
Emerald, D/P: Yes.
R/S/FR/LG: No.
Thought I'd add a table showing the Pokemon with the top stats in a given area. This does not include Wobbuffet at the moment, does include Blissey, and does not yet account for stats or items (such as Light Orb or Huge Power):
HP:
1. Blissey (?) *OU 255
2. Rhyperior BL 115
3. Whiscash UU 110
4. Kangaskhan UU 105
5. Noctowl UU 100
5. Swalot UU 100
5. Azumarill BL 100
8. Miltank BL 95
8. Exeggutor BL 95
8. Quagsire UU 95
8. Gyarados *OU 95
8. Slowbro BL 95
8. Slowking BL 95
Attack:
1. Rhyperior BL 140
2. Ursaring BL 130
3. Scizor *OU 130
3. Breloom *OU 130
5. Pinsir BL 125
5. Heracross *OU 125
5. Gyarados *OU 125
8. Sharpedo UU 120
8. Staraptor BL 120
8. Donphan BL 120
8. Granbull UU 120
Defense:
1. Shuckle UU 230
2. Forretress *OU 140
3. Rhyperior BL 130
3. Golem UU 130
5. Gliscor *OU 125
6. Donphan BL 120
7. Slowbro BL 110
7. Drapion UU 110
9. Miltank BL 105
10. Pinsir BL 100
10. Scizor *OU 100
Special Attack:
1. Roserade *OU 125
2. Exeggutor BL 124
3. Yanmega *OU 116
4. Ampharos UU 115
5. Houndoom BL 110
6. Sunflora UU 105
6. Octillery UU 105
8. Slowking BL 100
8. Slowbro BL 100
8. Vileplume UU 100
Special Defense:
1. Shuckle UU 230
2. Blissey (?) *OU 135
3. Slowking BL 110
3. Ledian UU 110
5. Roserade *OU 105
6. Bellossom UU 100
6. Gyarados *OU 100
8. Noctowl UU 96
9. Heracross *OU 95
10. Ampharos UU 90
10. Vileplume UU 90
Speed:
1. Ambipom BL 115
2. Tauros BL 110
3. Scyther UU 105
4. Miltank BL 100
4. Staraptor BL 100
4. Dodrio UU 100
4. Raichu UU 100
8. Yanmega *OU 95
8. Gliscor *OU 95
8. Houndoom BL 95
8. Xatu UU 95
8. Sharpedo UU 95
8. Drapion UU 95
HP:
1. Blissey (?) *OU 255
2. Rhyperior BL 115
3. Whiscash UU 110
4. Kangaskhan UU 105
5. Noctowl UU 100
5. Swalot UU 100
5. Azumarill BL 100
8. Miltank BL 95
8. Exeggutor BL 95
8. Quagsire UU 95
8. Gyarados *OU 95
8. Slowbro BL 95
8. Slowking BL 95
Attack:
1. Rhyperior BL 140
2. Ursaring BL 130
3. Scizor *OU 130
3. Breloom *OU 130
5. Pinsir BL 125
5. Heracross *OU 125
5. Gyarados *OU 125
8. Sharpedo UU 120
8. Staraptor BL 120
8. Donphan BL 120
8. Granbull UU 120
Defense:
1. Shuckle UU 230
2. Forretress *OU 140
3. Rhyperior BL 130
3. Golem UU 130
5. Gliscor *OU 125
6. Donphan BL 120
7. Slowbro BL 110
7. Drapion UU 110
9. Miltank BL 105
10. Pinsir BL 100
10. Scizor *OU 100
Special Attack:
1. Roserade *OU 125
2. Exeggutor BL 124
3. Yanmega *OU 116
4. Ampharos UU 115
5. Houndoom BL 110
6. Sunflora UU 105
6. Octillery UU 105
8. Slowking BL 100
8. Slowbro BL 100
8. Vileplume UU 100
Special Defense:
1. Shuckle UU 230
2. Blissey (?) *OU 135
3. Slowking BL 110
3. Ledian UU 110
5. Roserade *OU 105
6. Bellossom UU 100
6. Gyarados *OU 100
8. Noctowl UU 96
9. Heracross *OU 95
10. Ampharos UU 90
10. Vileplume UU 90
Speed:
1. Ambipom BL 115
2. Tauros BL 110
3. Scyther UU 105
4. Miltank BL 100
4. Staraptor BL 100
4. Dodrio UU 100
4. Raichu UU 100
8. Yanmega *OU 95
8. Gliscor *OU 95
8. Houndoom BL 95
8. Xatu UU 95
8. Sharpedo UU 95
8. Drapion UU 95
Umm Pika's base SA is not 100 after Light Ball. Neither is Azumarril's attack. The item/ability doubles their stat, not their base stat. For the record Azu's attack is higher than Rhyperior's after a Huge Power boost.
Also, let's not forget Light Ball also boosts Pikachu's attack.
Also, let's not forget Light Ball also boosts Pikachu's attack.
... My apologies. D: Incorrect information deleted.
EDIT:
I didn't. I just thought it was the base attack as well, which would put base at 100, below the others on the list. Thus, it was not included. However, I'm too lazy to calculate the proper boosted stats, so it won't have them on it at the moment.
This sounds like alot of fun, but considering the number of pokemon, you'd see alot of the same pokemon in every team. But still, I'd love to do this.
I don't find Blissey or Wobb a threat, but gyarados does scare me a bit, being hard enough to take down in normal, where as here, the only pokemon that learns an electric move (spare HP) is Ampharos.
I don't find Blissey or Wobb a threat, but gyarados does scare me a bit, being hard enough to take down in normal, where as here, the only pokemon that learns an electric move (spare HP) is Ampharos.
For STAB, there's also Pikachu and Raichu. Raichu can definitely outspeed it, and likely Pikachu if IV/natured properly.
There are 32 UU pokemon here, many of them very viable ones. Bellossom/Vileplume/Ampharos etc can all still use standard sets, however without eggs moves Noctowl and some others will be struggling to compete. Scarfpedo and Scarfcroak could have a lot of fun here.
There is definitely room for seperate UU competition, but it might be more fun to keep the comp as it is and to simply restrict the number of OU/BL pokes on anyone's team.
There is definitely room for seperate UU competition, but it might be more fun to keep the comp as it is and to simply restrict the number of OU/BL pokes on anyone's team.
Hmm... Noctowl might be able to get off some nice moves, like a once-off Sky Attack with... whatever that one-turn charge item is...
Let's not forget things like Drapion missing out on Cross Poison, unless coming from an evolved at level 49-50 Skorupi!
Noctowl is all about the special walling, not attacking. I'm looking over his skills now. There must be a way to make him a viable wall without Night Shade.
Wait, Blissey's in the metagame? Forget I bothered. :P
Blissey keeps flopping between in and out, as does Wobbuffet, for some reason, and the worries people have over Heracross and Gyarados.
That would be very helpful, but considering the amount of pokemon available, I'm pretty sure that people can do it by them selves. It kind of takes the fun out of it. Kind of...
It would be great if Blissey were not included, it would really make this metagame more unique, and we'd be seeing a lot more of Milktank, Vileplume, and Noctowl.
I'm going to have a look at which useful moves would end up being banned from which Pokes.
Ambipom loses: Fake Out/Agility
Arbok loses: Gunk Shot! (not available as Ekans, where it learns it at level 41)
Ariados loses: Baton Pass/Signal Beam/Toxic Spikes
Azumarill loses: Belly Drum/Aqua Jet/Superpower/Perish Song
Bellossom loses: Leaf Storm/Petal Dance/Synthesis/Flail/Razor Leaf
Bibarel loses: Quick Attack/Aqua Tail
Blissey loses: Heal Bell/Aromatherapy/Gravity
Breloom loses: Wake-up Slap/Seed Bomb
Carnivine loses: Sleep Powder/Stun Spore/Razor Leaf/Synthesis/Leech Seed/Worry Seed
Dodrio loses: Quick Attack/Faint Attack/Flail/Mirror Move/Brave Bird
Donphan loses: Ice Shard/Endeavour
Dragonair loses: Outrage/Dragonbreath/Dragon Rush/Haze
Drapion loses: Faint Attack/Slash/Confuse Ray/Whirlwind/Agility/Pursuit/Night Slash
Exeggutor loses: Synthesis/Moonlight/Curse/Leaf Storm
Forretress loses: Magnet Rise/Zap Cannon/Flail/Revenge/Toxic Spikes/Sand Tomb
Girafarig loses: Amnesia/Wish/Magic Coat/Double Kick/Mirror Coat
Gliscor loses: Metal Claw/Wing Attack/Agility/Baton Pass/Night Slash/Cross Poison
Golduck loses: Hypnosis/Cross Chop/Confuse Ray/Yawn/Mud Bomb
Golem loses: Block/Hammer Arm/Flail
Granbull loses: Faint Attack/Heal Bell/Smelling Salt/Close Combat/Elemental Fangs
Gyarados loses: Flail
Heracross loses: Megahorn/Revenge/Pursuit
Houndoom loses: Nasty Plot/Pursuit/Spite/Reversal/Elemental Fangs
Kangaskhan loses: Stomp/Crush Claw/Endeavour/Hammer Arm
Ledian loses: Silver Wind/Encore/Knock Off/Bug Bite
Miltank loses: Wake-up Slap/Reversal/Curse/Dizzy Punch/Hammer Arm
Nidoking loses: Megahorn/Sucker Punch
Nidoqueen loses: Superpower/Pursuit
Noctowl loses: Dream Eater/Whirlwind/Featherdance/Agility/Night Shade
Octillery loses: Haze/Rock Blast/Flail
Parasect loses: Flail/Pursuit/Metal Claw/Bug Bite/Cross Poison
Pinsir loses: Superpower/Faint Attack/Quick Attack/Close Combat
Quagsire loses: Ancient Power/Curse/Stockpile/Encore/Double Kick
Raichu loses: Reversal/Encore/Wish/Charge/Fake Out
Rhyperior loses: Rock Wrecker/Crunch/Reversal/Curse/Crush Claw/Dragon Rush/Elemental Fangs
Roserade loses: Extrasensory/Spikes/Synthesis/Sleep Powder/Leaf Storm
Scizor loses: Iron Head/Baton Pass/Reversal/Endure/Night Slash
Seaking loses: Megahorn/Hydro Pump/Aqua Tail
Sharpedo loses: Night Slash/Hydro Pump/Thrash
Shuckle loses: Knock Off/Acupressure
Slowbro loses: Belly Drum/Me First/Block/Zen Headbutt
Slowking loses: Trump Card/Me First/Block
Stantler loses: Me First/Spite/Bite/Extrasensory/Double Kick/Zen Headbutt
Staraptor loses: Featherdance/Pursuit/Double-Edge
Sunflora loses: Grasswhistle/Encore/Leech Seed/Curse/Ingrain
Swalot loses: Gunk Shot/Acid Armour/Pain Split/Curse/Destiny Bond
Tauros loses: nothing?
Toxicroak loses: Me First/Dynamic Punch/Headbutt/Vacuum Wave/Fake Out/Wake-up Slap/Smelling Salt/Cross Chop/Bullet Punch
Ursaring loses: Fling/Hammer Arm/Crunch/Metal Claw/Yawn/Cross Chop/Close Combat/Night Slash
Venomoth loses: Bug Buzz/Baton Pass/Signal Beam/Agility/Toxic Spikes/
Vileplume loses: Petal Dance/Razor Leaf/Synthesis
Whiscash loses: Spark/Hydro Pump/Flail
Xatu loses: Haze/Drill Peck/Faint Attack/Zen Headbutt/Sucker Punch
Yanmega loses: Bug Buzz/Whirlwind/Reversal/Signal Beam/Silver Wind/Pursuit
about half of those don't make any difference. Your not going to see Blissey using gravity even if she could.
Plus, it makes for more unique sets and a completely different metagame, which should be really fun to battle in and create a team around.
Plus, it makes for more unique sets and a completely different metagame, which should be really fun to battle in and create a team around.
Thanks a ton, tea and blues. I was about halfway through that list, but it's great to see it done. :D
EDIT: There are some errors, however. Some of those moves, like Zen Headbutt on Stantler, can be tutored after being transferred. Others can be obtained at different levels in other games, like Superpower on Nidoqueen can be obtained at level 26 in FR/LG (this would, however, prevent Poison Fang from being learned by fourth-gen'd Nidoran F at level 45). Still other things can still learn the moves by TM, such as Yanmega ans Silver Wind. Can we also try to get Scyther and Pikachu on that list?
EDIT: There are some errors, however. Some of those moves, like Zen Headbutt on Stantler, can be tutored after being transferred. Others can be obtained at different levels in other games, like Superpower on Nidoqueen can be obtained at level 26 in FR/LG (this would, however, prevent Poison Fang from being learned by fourth-gen'd Nidoran F at level 45). Still other things can still learn the moves by TM, such as Yanmega ans Silver Wind. Can we also try to get Scyther and Pikachu on that list?
LOrak, quick question: are you going to actually make this a tournament or something, because I'd love to give it a try and I'm dieing to dive into the possibilities (corny much?)
Scyther loses Air Slash, Safe Guard, Baton Pass, Razor Wind, Reversal, Light Screen, Bug Buzz, and Night Slash.
Pikachu loses Reversal, Bide, Present, Encore Double Slap, Wish, Charge, Fake Out, Tickle, Surf, Volt Tackle, Charm, Sweet Kiss, Nasty Plot.
Scyther doesn't lose much, but Pikachu looses everything. Poor thing.
Scyther loses Air Slash, Safe Guard, Baton Pass, Razor Wind, Reversal, Light Screen, Bug Buzz, and Night Slash.
Pikachu loses Reversal, Bide, Present, Encore Double Slap, Wish, Charge, Fake Out, Tickle, Surf, Volt Tackle, Charm, Sweet Kiss, Nasty Plot.
Scyther doesn't lose much, but Pikachu looses everything. Poor thing.
Scyther gets Night Slash at level 45 in DP. Razor Wind via Move Tutor.
I'd love to host a tournament, but not sure what I'd give out as prizes. :| And before you say it, not Mew. xD I'd probably end out giving a tri-flawless Hasty Teddiursa I caught in the Safari Zone, the Pokemon that started this whole idea in my mind:
M Hasty #216 Teddiursa: 31 / 31 / 10 / 5 / 31 / 26
oh...oops.
I honestly don't care about a prize, but everything has to have one, so I guess the Teddiursa would be great.
I'm intrigued to report there might be some "event" Safari Festival Pokemon: the following Hayley's traded Pokemon from My Pokemon Ranch come in Safari Balls:
Croagunk (Naughty, Dry Skin): Astonish, Swagger, Mud Bomb, Sucker Punch
Yanma (Naughty, Speed Boost): Silver Wind, Hypnosis, AncientPower, Dream Eater
Shroomish (Jolly, Poison Heal): Seed Bomb, Spore, False Swipe (ha), Stun Spore
Discuss if these should be allowed or not, given nature is fixed, pretty sure ability is fixed, and, more importantly, it isn't being caught by the player, and has the bolded moves. Note these are fourth-gen, so no chance of Emerald or other third gen Move Tutors on these (not that they can be caught in third-gen Safari Zones).
Croagunk (Naughty, Dry Skin): Astonish, Swagger, Mud Bomb, Sucker Punch
Yanma (Naughty, Speed Boost): Silver Wind, Hypnosis, AncientPower, Dream Eater
Shroomish (Jolly, Poison Heal): Seed Bomb, Spore, False Swipe (ha), Stun Spore
Discuss if these should be allowed or not, given nature is fixed, pretty sure ability is fixed, and, more importantly, it isn't being caught by the player, and has the bolded moves. Note these are fourth-gen, so no chance of Emerald or other third gen Move Tutors on these (not that they can be caught in third-gen Safari Zones).
Is this the Teddiursa we had the day-long conversation on?
Counter-Ursa, that can't use any of it's two abilities! xD
Also, I don't approve of the Pokemon Ranch pokemon. They defeat the whole purpose of using Pokemon you caught in the Safari Zone/Great Marsh. Plus, why would you want to bring a Poison Heal Breloom with Seed Bomb into this thing anyway? xD
It's just avoiding the necessary work IMO.
EDIT: I was thinking, would a defensive Yanmega work? Like, since it looses Bug Buzz, it could adapt a more defensive set. Plus, it has a respectable defense stat:
Yanmega @ Leftovers / Charti Berry
Tinted Lens
Bold Nature
EVs: ???
-Air Slash
-Hypnosis
-Roost
-HP Ground (good luck) / Ancient Power / Psychic / Silver Wind / U-Turn