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Okay, I remade it from scratch just so I don't have to bother deleting all the old posts.

* Need a group of people to STILL check over UU/NU analyses

Awkward Analyses:

(constitutes bad grammar and/or POV problems. Remember, we dont write first person)

 Salamence http://beta.smogon.com/rs/strategies/salamence
Blissey http://beta.smogon.com/rs/strategies/blissey

Outdated Analyses:

Tyranitar http://beta.smogon.com/rs/strategies/tyranitar

These analyses mention little or no UU counters in their counters sections: Absol, Altaria (mentions Deoxys-FR =\), Ampharos, Banette, Bellossom, Cradily, Electabuzz, Electrode, Golduck, Golem, Gorebyss, Granbull, Grumpig, Hitmonlee, Hitmontop, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Kingler, Lanturn, Linoone, Lunatone, Meganium, Misdreavus, Mr. Mime, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Ninetales, Dugtrio, Poliwrath, Primeape, Qwilfish, Raichu, Rapidash, Sneasel, Victreebel, Walrein, Yanma

It's a pretty big list... Other stuff I found:

- Bellossom is mentioned as "even worse than Vileplume." At least by reading Vileplume's analysis, Vileplume doesn't really seem bad.
- Gorebyss' analysis is kind of weird. Set 2 says it's already explained, but I don't see a specific explanation for it in set 1. The "Omastar is better too, and Omastar is COOLER" part is kind of out of place, IMO.
- Granbull's opinion section says "Opinion: ..." even though there's already the "Opinion" header. It's kind of hard to explain, but it's pretty obvious if you see it.
- Hitmontop's analysis automatically assumes you're using it in OU ("The first rule of using Underused pokes in an ou environtment applies here: Flee at the first sight of danger."). That's part of the counters section.
- Kingler's opinion is after the counters, while it's normally the opposite.
- The headers in Muk's analysis for Other Options, Opinions, and Counters are in all caps.
- Rapidash's analysis says "Fire types are not effective in the metagame, and it goes double to Rapidash." That isn't really true - most fire types are actually anti-metagame.

If I continue to be bored and/or I'm actually being helpful I might do NUs too.
 
I've proofread and edited Rhydon, Snorlax, and taken care of that Blissey page.
 
Oh, another thing. I really like the the new layout of the moves...but it can be a little confusing if more than one move is listed for a single slot if it is not in the 4th position. So, when making edits...I'm going to rearrange the attacks so that 'multiple attack moveslots' are listed last to make it look as clean as possible. What do you guys think?

Edit: DoomMullet editing pokemon analyses? Who'd have thought!
 
Edited Sandslash, Blastoise and Arcanine to fit the UU metagame. I'll try to do more later.
 
Um.... I don't know if I'm supposed to post here, but can someone make mention on Blissey's page that it doesn't need Defence EVs in the Uber Metagame, it needs more SDef if it even wants to think about countering the Latis and other special sweeping threats. It's not like it's going to survive a physical attack coming from an Uber.

Also Ho-oh has no mention of Toxic, and why does it mention 296 Spd in its EVs section? Only a few people use Hearcross in Ubers. All it needs is 289 or ~308 speed.

Mewtwo in the Sub-Punch section has no mention af Shadow Ball which hits other Psychic Ubers, and the should be Thunder(bolt) / Ice Beam or Shadow Ball / Substitute / Focus Punch with some mention of Psychic in the description. Psychic isn't worth it on Mewtwo with all those Psychic Ubers running around. The only place it's worth the moveslot is on the Taunt set.

Aswell Mew needs Shadow Ball in it's SubPunch set.

In Celebi's ananlysis it say's that it can go up to 296 Speed, but IMO, if you going that high why not go Timid with 301 Speed?

In Heracross' Analysis there's no mention of MoP's set. Megahorn / Rock Slide / Swords Dance / Substitute @Salace berry with an HP DV of 30 IIRC.
 
Raikou21 said:
Um.... I don't know if I'm supposed to post here, but can someone make mention on Blissey's page that it doesn't need Defence EVs in the Uber Metagame, it needs more SDef if it even wants to think about countering the Latis and other special sweeping threats. It's not like it's going to survive a physical attack coming from an Uber.
I disagree. Blissey isn't OHKOed by a lot of stuff in ubers. If you're running a set along the lines of Toxic, Aromatherapy, Softboiled, Seismic Toss, where else are you putting those EVs? I'd make Blissey Calm in ubers usually and Modest with a CM set. I'd run 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef Calm on the set I listed. On a CMer, Special Defense is less important (because you can boost it to safe levels), so Calm with 252 Special Attack, and then split defense and special defense. If I'm running a CM Blissey, I'll have Ice Beam, which OHKOs Rayquaza and puts a huge dent (possibly even OHKOing) after a CM or two. I'd like to be able to survive a single hit from either (which Blissey can, with some defense, as long as Rayquaza doesn't have Brick Break, and it doesn't).

However, I like that mentality, it's what allows my Brick Break Kyogre to work. :)

Also Ho-oh has no mention of Toxic, and why does it mention 296 Spd in its EVs section? Only a few people use Hearcross in Ubers. All it needs is 289 or ~308 speed.
Ho-oh has 306 max speed. I'll be sure to mention the rarity of Heracross when I do Ho-oh tomorrow.

Mewtwo in the Sub-Punch section has no mention af Shadow Ball which hits other Psychic Ubers, and the should be Thunder(bolt) / Ice Beam or Shadow Ball / Substitute / Focus Punch with some mention of Psychic in the description. Psychic isn't worth it on Mewtwo with all those Psychic Ubers running around. The only place it's worth the moveslot is on the Taunt set.
Already did Mewtwo (it just doesn't show up on the real site yet).

Aswell Mew needs Shadow Ball in it's SubPunch set.
Ditto for Mew.

In Celebi's ananlysis it say's that it can go up to 296 Speed, but IMO, if you going that high why not go Timid with 301 Speed?
That would require, as you said, a Timid nature. Some like Modest for a sweeper set, or Bold to help take Dugtrio HP Bugs.
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I'm going to write a short guide on forms of recovery (primarily Rest and Recover, but Leech Seed, Leftovers, and even Giga Drain will make the cut).
 
As another person on this site so "kindly" reminded us, Glalie's page needs major editing to remove derogatory terms and stuff. Luvdisc got the treatment, so Glalie should be next.
 
Obi2Kenobi said:
Already did Mewtwo (it just doesn't show up on the real site yet).
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The shadowball mewtwo isn't edited in on the subpunch. That might have gotten messed up since when I was adding the thunder/icebeam/fp/sb set, shadow ball wasn't on the sub punch set...meaning you could have updated then but, got overwritten by mine or whatever...basically added now. I edited the glalie analysis btw.

Raikou21 said:
Also Ho-oh has no mention of Toxic, and why does it mention 296 Spd in its EVs section? Only a few people use Hearcross in Ubers. All it needs is 289 or ~308 speed.
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what is 289 speed for? Also, you don't want to waste a nature on ho-oh's speed since it won't be beating anything it out runs anyway (Kyogre, Groudon, a slow lugia...) and look at that attack and spdef...

I can see what people mean about heracross but, the only thing I can see with 289 is tying max speed no nature rayquaza and beating medicham who will rock ho-oh if it attempts to switch in on it.


Raikou21 said:
In Heracross' Analysis there's no mention of MoP's set. Megahorn / Rock Slide / Swords Dance / Substitute @Salace berry with an HP DV of 30 IIRC.
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its pretty much right there in that second set. Ok added a seperate set for it as it is conceptually different.
 
Sorry if I'm not supposed to post here or something...
I was kind of bored so I looked through a bunch of the UU analyses

These analyses mention little or no UU counters in their counters sections: Absol, Altaria (mentions Deoxys-FR =\), Ampharos, Banette, Bellossom, Cradily, Electabuzz, Electrode, Golduck, Golem, Gorebyss, Granbull, Grumpig, Hitmonlee, Hitmontop, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Kingler, Lanturn, Linoone, Lunatone, Meganium, Misdreavus, Mr. Mime, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Ninetales, Dugtrio, Poliwrath, Primeape, Qwilfish, Raichu, Rapidash, Sneasel, Victreebel, Walrein, Yanma

It's a pretty big list... Other stuff I found:

- Bellossom is mentioned as "even worse than Vileplume." At least by reading Vileplume's analysis, Vileplume doesn't really seem bad.
- Gorebyss' analysis is kind of weird. Set 2 says it's already explained, but I don't see a specific explanation for it in set 1. The "Omastar is better too, and Omastar is COOLER" part is kind of out of place, IMO.
- Granbull's opinion section says "Opinion: ..." even though there's already the "Opinion" header. It's kind of hard to explain, but it's pretty obvious if you see it.
- Hitmontop's analysis automatically assumes you're using it in OU ("The first rule of using Underused pokes in an ou environtment applies here: Flee at the first sight of danger."). That's part of the counters section.
- Kingler's opinion is after the counters, while it's normally the opposite.
- The headers in Muk's analysis for Other Options, Opinions, and Counters are in all caps.
- Rapidash's analysis says "Fire types are not effective in the metagame, and it goes double to Rapidash." That isn't really true - most fire types are actually anti-metagame.

If I continue to be bored and/or I'm actually being helpful I might do NUs too.
 
I think listing OU counters for UU Pokemon is important for anyone bold/crazy/stupid enough to use them outside of their normal tier, but the UU counters definately need listed for everyone else.
 
Yes, because it's OU that's the fake metagame. Ubers is the only real metagame. :)


Done with Ho-oh. Doing more ubers.


/edit: Level 1 is a real metagame, too, I'd say. ;)
 
Just for the record, this topic isn't for actually editing analyses. See the other topic for that (if Noobster unlocked it yet...)

moomoo, that's very helpful and it's exactly what I'm looking for in this topic. Thanks, bud ;)
 
These analyses mention little or no UU counters in their counters sections: Absol, Altaria (mentions Deoxys-FR =\), Ampharos, Banette, Bellossom, Cradily, Electabuzz, Electrode, Golduck, Golem, Gorebyss, Granbull, Grumpig, Hitmonlee, Hitmontop, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Kingler, Lanturn, Linoone, Lunatone, Meganium, Misdreavus, Mr. Mime, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Ninetales, Poliwrath, Primeape, Qwilfish, Raichu, Rapidash, Sneasel, Victreebel, Walrein, Yanma

Italics are things been done, mostly as a reminder for me so I can go down the list.
 
I just thought I'd follow moomoonerds example and go over the NU analyses.

I noticed that almost all lack specific NU counters (most mention OU or UU counters, or just say "anything counters this).

Also there are a lot of POV mistakes, so I'll point out all the Pokemon that have them as I noticed in alphabetical order:

Beedrill, Beautifly, Castform, Crawdaunt, Delcatty, Delibird, Dustox, Farfetch'd,
Furret, Girafarig, Illumise, Magcargo, Masquerain, Mawile, Mightyena, Murkrow, Pidgeot, Piloswine, Raticate, Shuckle, Spinda, Sudowoodo, Togetic, Torkoal, Tropius.

Then there are some with too many (imo) derogatory comments, which should be cleared up:

Beedrill, Butterfree (:(), Chimecho, Lickitung, Minun and Plusle (to a lesser extent), Venomoth, Wailord.

Wailord lacks a complete counters section, although it is quite obvious what counters wailord (about anything), it still should be added.

Most analyses also lack proper NU counters.

The rest were fine imo.
 
Two things:

1. where would I post my post which was deleted? (obviously its an issue that needs solving)

2. We need the paragraph tags around each paragraph according to the formatting guide but, when I edited them into the an analysis they were edited out (the vagueness is to refrain from name calling). Is there a change of plans or something?
 
I noticed that most BL pokes only have OU counters while in Swellows analysis it also mentions that it should be used in UU only and it lists UU counters. Since you guys don't allow BLs into UU shouldn't all mention of using it in UU be gone? Or atleast add UU counters for all the other BL pokemon.
 
The UU counters/analyses in generals don't need to be mentioned 304903 times which is why I deleted your post husk. We all know that they need fixing and I would appreciate it if from now on people would keep it out of this thread. And also, like chaos said this is not the edit analysis topic, which is one of the other things I've been seeing a lot of. Thanks
 
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