Toxic Stalls and Annoying walls :) (second but more carefully thought OU RMT)

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[TEAM BUILDING!
Starting out, I knew I wanted a trapper with good resistances, and Scizor has always been a faithful partner of mine so my first choice was naturally..

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Scizor @ Expert Belt
Technician
Ev’s: 176 HP/100 Atk/ 176 SpD/ 56 Spe
-Roost
-Pursuit
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch

While not as powerful as a CB scizor, he has the ability to trap easily, has much more durability thanks to the EV spread and roost, and because of expert belt can dish out a lot more damage with taking damage from Life orb, and if a counter is switched in U-turn out to a more effective counter.


The second part was a little bit harder, I needed a good lead who would definitely benefit if tricked with a choice scarf and be able to counter the current metagame overflow of electric and dragon types and so while jirachi was one of my favorites I chose..

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Mamoswine @ Leftovers
Snow Cloak
Adamant Natured
Ev’s: 4 Def/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
-Ice Shard
-Earthquake
-Toxic
-Stealth Rock

Mamoswine is the only pokemon boasting resistance to sandstorm and hail(benefiting very much from hail) and a natural counter to dragons and electric types as well as being a hard hittier with his high priority STAB. Because I’m using him as a lead I obviously give him stealth rock( predicting a switch) and toxic for crippling switch-ins. The ev’s give him ability to outrun maxspeed TTar and OHKO him, and the Atk gives him the ability to OHKO other common threats in the metagame with Iceshard, the Def ev’s are for a little extra damage soaking.



Next, I knew I needed a tanking type that also had the ability to sweep teams, and for me there was no other choice who could fill this roll better than a crocune, especially considering his bulky water type which every team needs.[/FONT]

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Suicune @ Leftovers
Pressure
Bold Nature
Ev’s: 252 Hp/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Surf
-Calm Mind

Crocune can take several hits from physical attackers with ease because of his defensive nature and ev’s, absorb status with rest, and with a 3-4 calm minds under his belt soak up any SpA in the game and even possesses the ability to sweep entire teams with an unbelievable boosted STAB in Surf.[/FONT]



Now for the next 3 pokemon I knew I had a few things to cover, a sweeper block, as some of them can and will take advantage of my team, a wall breaker, and a few sweepers of my own that can set up when opportune and plow through the opponents team, I started by covering the sweeperblock/wall breaker.


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Bronzong @ Macho Brace
Heatproo
Sassy Natured
Ev’s:252 Hp/ 84 Atk/ 82 Def/ 92 SpD
-Trick
-Earthquake
-Gyro Ball
-Explosion

Now you may look at this like I’m insane, but this bronzing actually functions as an incredibly very capable team member. He can switch on something it’s not naturally weak against, and with macho brace, the power of gyro ball is buffed, given he did not provoke a switch, but that’s where the genius of this set comes in. If I know he’ll switch to a sweeper such as heatran, or mence, I can trick the macho brace onto them on the switch in, completely screwing over their pokemon and giving my bronzing some flexibility, or just exploding given they may switch, the ev’s for defensive purposes. Heatproof is unsual and that’s just what I like, many people will switch to a fire type knowing of levitate and because of his ability, do them absolutely no good.



The next functioning member of my team I decided to tackle was the sweeping types, and I started with my special sweeper, I went through all the options and at the end of the day I went with a sweeper type that can not only block spins, but resist fighting types such as machamp that like to switch in a lot and deal out special hits like a champ.

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Gengar @ Leftovers
Levitate
Timid Nature
Ev’s: 4 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252
-Substitute
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis
Gengar does the things I need it to do with ease, he can switch in on a predicted earthquake or fighting type user, and immediately substitute with his speed and the possible switch-out gives him that all important advantage, being able to hypnosis safely from behind a substitute or if that doesn’t work dish out serious damage, and because of his speed hit twice in a row for that 2HKO.



The last part but not the least, I needed a physical type(set-up sweeper) to cover the special walls that the rest of my team didn’t take care of with taunts or that all exclusive fighting type power that they can cover.

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Electivire @ Life Orb
Motor Drive
Adamant Nature
Ev’s: 4 Hp/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Thunder Punch
-Ice Punch
-Cross Chop
-Earthquake

Now electivire I realize isn’t the most popular pokemon, but with his unique ability and 379 Atk stat + 30% from life orb he can make a nasty destructive force. His attacks provide him coverage, cross chop being able to OHKO the normal types that litter the game, blissey a little less likely, which he has earthquake for, and if he is switched in on an electric attack to activate his motor drive he can drive straight through teams with his high STAB’s.

Other options for this slot though are..: Machamp, Heracross, Lucario.


So this is the team with yes, I realize, some pretty drastic changes.feel free to rate or rip it to shreds:)
 
Hi there!

That Scizor isn't really supposed to be a trapper. CB Scizor's main function is scouting and revenge killing. It can trap, but Choice Band limits the freedom that common trapping sets have. This set should work better.

Scizor @ Life Orb / Expert Belt
Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 176 HP / 100 Atk / 176 SpD / 56 Spe
-Pursuit
-U-turn
-Roost
-Bullet Punch

Yes, this set is more for Ubers, but it works well in OU as well. It's more durable than CB Scizor, and can use Roost to extend its lifespan for future trapping.

For Machamp, there isn't anything that wrong with it, but you may want to consider Payback over Ice Punch. It gets much better coverage when paired with DynamicPunch, and can do great amounts of damage on switch-ins.

Dusknoir might want a STAB move. ThunderPunch and Fire Punch don't really have good coverage. I suggest replacing one of the moves with Shadow Sneak. It's Dusknoir's most reliable STAB move and helps overcome his low speed. I also might mention that Dusknoir can recover health through Rest, but that isn't very reliable either.

That's all I got to say.
 
KnightoftheWind said:
Hi there!

That Scizor isn't really supposed to be a trapper. CB Scizor's main function is scouting and revenge killing. It can trap, but Choice Band limits the freedom that common trapping sets have. This set should work better.

Scizor @ Life Orb / Expert Belt
Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 176 HP / 100 Atk / 176 SpD / 56 Spe
-Pursuit
-U-turn
-Roost
-Bullet Punch

Yes, this set is more for Ubers, but it works well in OU as well. It's more durable than CB Scizor, and can use Roost to extend its lifespan for future trapping.

For Machamp, there isn't anything that wrong with it, but you may want to consider Payback over Ice Punch. It gets much better coverage when paired with DynamicPunch, and can do great amounts of damage on switch-ins.

Dusknoir might want a STAB move. ThunderPunch and Fire Punch don't really have good coverage. I suggest replacing one of the moves with Shadow Sneak. It's Dusknoir's most reliable STAB move and helps overcome his low speed. I also might mention that Dusknoir can recover health through Rest, but that isn't very reliable either.

That's all I got to say.
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I love the suggestion on Scizor but also i've found that his main "trapping" purpose comes from U-turn and pursit outside of that I keep C-band on there just for dealing easy OHKO's with bullet punch and superpower the getting out of there.
I like Icepunch on Machamp because of gliscor being a popular switch in as well as physically strong dragons coming in there and eating me up.
Shadowsneak is a good idea and i've definitely considered it over one of them, but whether thunderpunch or fire punch is a toss up.
Also, have you thought about Night shade? Automatic 100 damage coming from dusknoir seems to be very nice and considering shadow sneak is basically the same STAB with less ATK I can see how they'd match up, but the extra speed form shadow sneak can prove advantageous.
 
OK. I think you should remove Fire Punch, because two Fire moves are just an invitation for Heatran to say hi. But it just depends on whether Scizor or Gyarados is more of a problem.
 
KnightoftheWind said:
OK. I think you should remove Fire Punch, because two Fire moves are just an invitation for Heatran to say hi. But it just depends on whether Scizor or Gyarados is more of a problem.
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I removed Fire Punch as is noticed in bold, thunderpunch has overall better type coverage and the paralysis chance is nice.
 
It seems that your team is really weak to opposing stall teams. The majority of your pokemon are completely walled by the common stall team members and can be outstalled due to passive damage in the form of spikes.

I see two ways you could possibly fix this:

First, you could switch Vaporeon for a RestTalk + Calm Mind Suicune. This Suicune easily handles Blissey and has the potential to sweep stall teams. I don't think your Vaporeon was doing too much for your team before, and this Suicune gives you a dedicated bulky sweeper.

Second, you could make Machamp a Guts varient which can probably 2HKO the majority of the metagame. I find Life Orb on a RestTalker generally works best if they have Guts so you can net a good majority of KOs.

In my opinion, I feel you should test CroCune over Vaporeon and change Life Orb on your Machamp to Leftovers.

Other than that, all your threats seem to be covered well. Nice job!
 
I'm not seeing what Dusknoir's doing that Rotom won't do better. Rotoms Steel resistance and Ground immunity, along with immunity to Spikes and Toxic Spikes make it a far better wall. Try the Resttalk set with Rest/Sleep Talk/Will-O-Wisp/Discharge.
 
Your team seems very weak to Toxic Spikes and to stall in general. One way to stop this as well as help your team. While Vaporeon does have Wish support, you already have 2 Pokemon with their own recovery moves and Tentacruel might serve better in that spot. It can absorb Toxic Spikes, spin away SR and Spikes, and put down some Toxic Spikes which can help your team alot as it seems primarily defensive.
 
XxBlueCleric.xX said:
It seems that your team is really weak to opposing stall teams. The majority of your pokemon are completely walled by the common stall team members and can be outstalled due to passive damage in the form of spikes.

I see two ways you could possibly fix this:

First, you could switch Vaporeon for a RestTalk + Calm Mind Suicune. This Suicune easily handles Blissey and has the potential to sweep stall teams. I don't think your Vaporeon was doing too much for your team before, and this Suicune gives you a dedicated bulky sweeper.

Second, you could make Machamp a Guts varient which can probably 2HKO the majority of the metagame. I find Life Orb on a RestTalker generally works best if they have Guts so you can net a good majority of KOs.

In my opinion, I feel you should test CroCune over Vaporeon and change Life Orb on your Machamp to Leftovers.

Other than that, all your threats seem to be covered well. Nice job!
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I'll try that suicune ty, and i'll switch off life orb to machamp, interesting suggestion that I didn't consider :)
And to the other comment about dusknoir, rotom is a very good pokemon yes but the defenses aren't quite there that I like and I use this team for Wi-Fi as well so I have no access to rotom :/
And hey can you suggest a set for machamp running Guts or does my variant look fine just needing the Lifeorb?
And as for suicune..
this set?
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Suicune @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
Ev's: 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Calm Mind
-Surf
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The Machamp set is fine for a No Gaurd varient. You could run Payback over Ice Punch though if Ghosts and Psychics are more troublesome than flying types and celebi. I think it provides better overall coverage as well. For Guts, DynamicPunch would have to be switched. If you're using that Suicune, then I think you should stick with No Gaurd. You'd already have something to help against Stall and Machamp would benefit the team more with Confusion in that case. If you stick with Vaporeon, you'd probably be better using a Guts varient so you can hit the majority of stall teams harder. In any case, I'd prefer Ice Punch to hit Celebi, Hippowdon, etc.

For Suicune, that set would be the one I had suggested previously. It helps against Stall and Toxic Spikes, etc. For the EVs on Suicune, you could also run 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SDef. This means you'll never be OHKOd by +2 Lucario Close Combat. The miscellaneous Special Defense could help you take a few special hits easier after a Calm Mind or two.
 
Okay i've worked with suicune but I haven't seen a whole lot from him really yet, any other suggestions? You can look at the pokemon I switch in and see if any of them would have benefits or just throw in something new.
 
Yeah I kind of went through that too quickly and missed that, but that's the basic strategy, any suggestions on suicune?
 
In my experiences with dusknoir having 2 attack moves, there are 3 moves which should be used, earthquake, ice punch and shadow sneak. Earthquake is simply because heatran just loves to come in on dusknoir, and if he doesnt get that flash fire boost, he gets raped as you earthquake him.

Since you have a priority move on scizor, and a scarf on heatran, i personally dont think you really need shadow sneak, however ice punch is a bit shaky as will o wisp cripple dragons anyway, so perhaps thunderpunch and earthquake, i dunno.

Also in your team at a glance it has vaporeon, not suicine, also is there really a need for 2 restalkers? Especially if you consider using breloom i would rethink this.
 
I think this would be much easier to read if you gave a certain 6 Pokemon on your team and present those 6. Its kind of hard to rate because everything is kinda cluttered and whatnot.
 
Yeah that was an accident, I meant to cut and paste and it ended up just copying and I did make that one later at night so had a brainfart, better more clean version up now.
 
BUMP, last one, need some work, bronzong seems to my weak link, suggestions..?
Bronzong and I don't really like that current scizor set.
 
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