I think he might have been saying Chandelure is an example of a ghost that does all out attack (AKA ghosts that don't behave like Scarf Chandy beat Toxicroak). Anyway, to answer your question, a Chandelure with no defense investment is always OHKO by Adamant Max Attack +1 Sucker Punch whereas a non Attack boosting nature will deal 94.6%-111.4%, a OHKO after pretty much any residual damage.
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Toxicroak
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I think he might have been saying Chandelure is an example of a ghost that does all out attack (AKA ghosts that don't behave like Scarf Chandy beat Toxicroak). Anyway, to answer your question, a Chandelure with no defense investment is always OHKO by Adamant Max Attack +1 Sucker Punch whereas a non Attack boosting nature will deal 94.6%-111.4%, a OHKO after pretty much any residual damage.
Phrased badly? I meant "ghosts that full out attack will probably die to toxicroak, scarf chandelure being one such. Ghosts that don't however, can take him out with prediction, which is usually easy, and you can stall their Sucker Punches out thanks to it's 8 uses"
Anyways to answer, the most common bulk up/drain punch/substitute/sucker punch variant against a scarf shandara ;
252 Atk Toxicroak Sucker Punch vs 0 HP/0 Def Chandelure: 69.73% - 82.76%
Toxicroak holding Leftovers, a good chance for a KO after stealth rocks switch in.
252 Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Sucker Punch vs 0 HP/0 Def Chandelure: 91.19% - 107.28% 41.02% chance to OHKO
Guaranteed OHKO after rocks.
And if it gets to + anything, it's always an OHKO, those were both unboosted.
edit: Ninjask'd
Anyways to answer, the most common bulk up/drain punch/substitute/sucker punch variant against a scarf shandara ;
252 Atk Toxicroak Sucker Punch vs 0 HP/0 Def Chandelure: 69.73% - 82.76%
Toxicroak holding Leftovers, a good chance for a KO after stealth rocks switch in.
252 Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Sucker Punch vs 0 HP/0 Def Chandelure: 91.19% - 107.28% 41.02% chance to OHKO
Guaranteed OHKO after rocks.
And if it gets to + anything, it's always an OHKO, those were both unboosted.
edit: Ninjask'd
If a Timid 4 HP/0 Def Espeon is holding a Colbur Berry, will it survive a Toxicroak Sucker Punch?
252 Atk LO Sucker Punch from Toxicroak does 54.8-64.8% to 4 HP Colbur Berry Espeon.
EUREKA!
I can't thank you enough!
Until now, my team had no way to counter Toxicroak (resulting in constant 6-0 losses), so I decided to give Colbur Berry a go on my Espeon. I've yet to be able to test it, which is why I asked here. But if what you say is true, I think I have me a miracle cure!
@min min: I can usually use one of my other Pokemon to keep the sub away anyway.
Other ways to shut him down;
1) Change the weather, he won't be a threat out of rain from my experience.
2) Ghosts that don't all out attack
3) Dragonite/Salamence/ Similar typing mons if he doesnt have ice punch.
Any ghost type with Substitute walls Toxicroak.
Then you lose out on lefties. It works both ways.
Aiming mark is probably one of the worst hold items in the game. It makes you easier to kill.
Its EXTREMELY situtational. Theorically it can trick to on to pokemon, so that you can hit them with other pokemon. In theory it can be used against spin blockers or pokemon like skarmory and bronzong to help and excadrill sweep.
hmmm... I COULD use Sunny Day on my Shedinja (The winner of the 2009 Senior Division World VGC used a Sunny Day Shedinja), but that would mean I'd have to forsake Return or Swords Dance.
The EVs I used for that toxicroak were:
244 HP/12 Attk/252 SDef
With an adamant nature
thanks for the ev spread I wonder who else has used it it's a very creative set
And what does that have to do with anything?I CALL HIM FEGLORDIO MY NW POKEMON
He's just an alt, ignore him.
Toxicroak should always carry Ice Punch, the prevalence of Gliscor pretty much makes it a necessity.
While gliscor is very prevalent id rather be able to set up sub and always go first (sucker punch) than be able to hit gliscor.
Ice Punch has some illegality issues, however. I always prefer my Toxicroak to run a set of Swords Dance(or Bulk Up) / Drain Punch / Sucker Punch / Substitute. With a sub up most opponents will be forced into attacking and then you hit them with a +2 LO Sucker Punch in the rain (as to nullify the LO damage), then you just rock face. I ran double Sucker Punch users in Bisharp and Toxicroak and that was pretty awesome actually. Since with Bisharp Taunting users into attacking makes Sucker Punch pretty awesome overall.
Plus Dark / Fighting is hella awesome type coverage
Plus Dark / Fighting is hella awesome type coverage