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Twilight

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Something i noticed is that only the dumb girls that i know read the book. the smart girls understand that she used every trick in the book to appeal to stupid teenage girls, even if she had to resort to making them feel like "someday, you will meet a vampire and you will fall in love with him and make vampire babies"

I've also observed this, so don't just tell the poster to "shut up."

For example, there's this girl who is failing nearly all of her classes and was obsessed with the book, and most "intelligent" girls have realized that it's either bad or a cheap ploy to get them to read, which most people are highly opposed to.

Not saying it's bad, it's a good idea to get girls to read, but it is mostly true that the more dumber girls read it.
 
I've also observed this, so don't just tell the poster to "shut up."

For example, there's this girl who is failing nearly all of her classes and was obsessed with the book, and most "intelligent" girls have realized that it's either bad or a cheap ploy to get them to read, which most people are highly opposed to.

Not saying it's bad, it's a good idea to get girls to read, but it is mostly true that the more dumber girls read it.
Congratulations, you just generalized based on a single example. Let's get a round of applause over here.

Let's also note how you used the word "most". I guess it's not only these so-called 'dumb girls' who read the book after all!

Not like you two are experts on judging someone's intelligence anyway...
DiamondDust said:
Are you a fan of the book or something?
Does it matter?

I know a lot of people who have read this, and/or plenty of other vampire romance novels (which are all basically the same thing with less popularity -- romance as a genre is extremely static and vampire romance even moreso). Knowing what they all do in real life, I'd have to say that your generalization that only "dumb girls" read the book is stupid. While I guess what you said is dumb girls that you know, that makes me wonder how these so-called "smart girls" that you know can "understand that she used every trick in the book to appeal to stupid teenage girls" despite the fact that they haven't read the book (because according to you only the dumb girls that you know read the book).

What I'm not a fan of is having randoms generalize an entire class of book-readers as "dumb" based on their extraordinarily limited experience, especially when those posters appear to me to be a good deal less intelligent than anyone I know who enjoys vampire romance novels by doing things like including obvious logical contradictions in their posts.
 
'dumb ploy' or not, anything that gets more people reading can't be a bad thing
Exactly. Got a friend who never reads and apparently she's completely hooked on the series. Hasn't seen the movie yet.

I read Harry Potter. It gets the same hate. People hate what's popular. But hey, guess what? I read to be entertained, not to culture myself. There are snobs in every field. People hate on mainstream literature, film, music, and games. I only have a finite amount of time for entertainment and I stick with the mainstream stuff for all but my medium of choice.
 
Congratulations, you just generalized based on a single example. Let's get a round of applause over here.

Let's also note how you used the word "most". I guess it's not only these so-called 'dumb girls' who read the book after all!

Not like you two are experts on judging someone's intelligence anyway...

Does it matter?

I know a lot of people who have read this, and/or plenty of other vampire romance novels (which are all basically the same thing with less popularity -- romance as a genre is extremely static and vampire romance even moreso). Knowing what they all do in real life, I'd have to say that your generalization that only "dumb girls" read the book is stupid. While I guess what you said is dumb girls that you know, that makes me wonder how these so-called "smart girls" that you know can "understand that she used every trick in the book to appeal to stupid teenage girls" despite the fact that they haven't read the book (because according to you only the dumb girls that you know read the book).

What I'm not a fan of is having randoms generalize an entire class of book-readers as "dumb" based on their extraordinarily limited experience, especially when those posters appear to me to be a good deal less intelligent than anyone I know who enjoys vampire romance novels by doing things like including obvious logical contradictions in their posts.
I'm not saying that ONLY dumb girls read the book, i'm saying that the audience stephanie is attracting is of lesser intelligence the majority of the time, and all of the hype is built up off of those lesser intelligent people reading the books over and over like it's a lifestyle. thats the reason why there is such a big bar between people who like it and people think it's trash.
I'm in the middle. I myself think that the book is OK, but that stephanie got her fame through a cheap shot and accelerated much quicker than all of the other good writers' novels.
 
Are you a fan of the book or something?
"Both Rowling and Meyer, they're speaking directly to young people... The real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good."
I trust that king has the right opinion that all she's doing is appealing to the lesser intelligent audience, but writing bad while doing it.

And like I said before, Stephen King is by no means the fucking authority on American literature. Stop pushing his opinion as if he were Alexander Woollcott.

I'm not saying that ONLY dumb girls read the book, i'm saying blah blah blah

Save some face and give it up.
 
God forbid someone writes a book that isn't meant to be analyzed in 10 different ways or portrays reality

I mean it is like making a videogame for entertainment! You mean they're not using video games as education? What a fucking waste.

Speaking of which one of the professors at my University wrote this review on it
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/twilight/
I'm sure a lot of other intellectuals have enjoyed the book despite it being so terrible.

Particularly, it doesn't matter if the writing was horrible, nor does it matter if it was reality. The point is this - it does it job well as an entertaining read. It gets people hooked. That's what it aimed to do and the Author did the job well. I dont think Author wrote this so it can be literature, the author just wanted to tell some story.
 
Eh, yes, I'm a bit on the wrong side for calling king greater authority over her.
I'm being too harsh on the book, and i'm exaggerating that only stupid people read it, and i'm sorry, but my point still stands that there are better vampire books and that twilight is taking somewhat of a cheapshot by appealing to people with lesser intelligence. not to say that smart people don't read the book too.
 
Why is it completely unshocking to me that KH was the OP for this?


Anyways, I really do intend on skipping this one. The way it has been described to me by everyone I know that has seen it is basically playing to the masses of teen girls fantasys with a vampire theme- which is an easy theme to make sexy or appealing to many, many people.

For things Vampire related I'll stick to Underworld thanks, even if the new one doesn't have Kate Beckinsale in it.
 
....I liked the story...sorta. Its just that all the endings are too happy, like in the third book, the whole book was leading you up to something big, like a big fight, but meyer just let it fizzle out. disapointing :toast:
 
My mom, who is a very intelligent woman, loves Twilight. Then again, my mother, for all her genius, reads some really trashy novels.

When reading a book I am quick to evaluate; often the quality of the prose is indicative of the quality of the writer (and prose I enjoy reading more so than story). Twilight's prose style is bland--the kind of quality you'd expect from a typical creative writing major, not an author of any distinction.

The story and characters, from what I've had told to me by a hysterical Twilight enthusiast who refuses to shut up when I see her (again, my mother), are the stuff of shallowness, impracticalities, stereotypes, vapidness (what's a good book without eccentric characters?) and worst of all, inconsistencies. This is all based on second hand accounts, though, so obviously I could be wrong (I only read a bit to gauge the style of writing).

My opinion on the quality of the writing stands, though.
 
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