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NOC Two Mafias Mafia - Won by The Pack

JALMONT said:
Poor voting record, suspected by two dead villagers we voted, refusal to claim.
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The people we voted were scummy as hell and I wouldn't say they were the most analytical players. Toaster actively avoided playing the game and Zippy was chaotic as hell (and also just OMGUSed me). Not sure why you're focusing so much on their reads but not the reads of say, the townies who were nightkilled (who we know were 100% actively targetted by mafia) or even the people who are still alive

My role is better left unclaimed, I'm not sure what there is left to say?
 
realiti said:
The people we voted were scummy as hell and I wouldn't say they were the most analytical players. Toaster actively avoided playing the game and Zippy was chaotic as hell (and also just OMGUSed me). Not sure why you're focusing so much on their reads but not the reads of say, the townies who were nightkilled (who we know were 100% actively targetted by mafia) or even the people who are still alive

My role is better left unclaimed, I'm not sure what there is left to say?
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I am not saying you’re confirmed mafia. But I have to be open to the possibility, hence why your credibility has gone down.

For me whenever you ml someone, it’s very important to reconsider your scumreads and look at what those people said and adjust accordingly.
 
realiti said:
Also its technically not MYLO?

5v1v1, if we vote wrong and scum kills two town is 2v1v1

Then theres a chance they just crossfire and we win
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Celever said:
It’s loosely MYLO but it would require scum kills hitting 2 town and not both hitting the same town which I think is genuinely quite unlikely

Also IPL is so deeply probably scum so lol

I kinda trust realiti on this
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Ok but this is why I have trust issues and maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt because I troll about this constantly but I’m sorry, this is mylo and we definitely should not be voting today. Like 2v1v1 is “winning” only in the sense that the mafia crossfires and town wins which requires no agency from us. Ok sure I guess that would be funny.

supposedly we have a tracker with a bpv so might as well wait for iPl to claim another non result and hope the remaining scum make a mistake with their actions and then vote with the additional info.
 
realiti said:
ImaginaryNeon i see you viewing the thread, what are your thoughts on everything?
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I am now here because
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this is hell.
 
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Celever said:
we're in a p good position rn for the solve bc we know with 100% certainty that both of the remaining scum are either buddies with BGB or pulsar. Solving should probably be done through this lens from this point forward, though I'm sure pulsar gave us more content to work with than BGB did in this regard.
  1. a fairy
  2. Celever
  3. ImaginaryNeon
  4. imperfectluck
  5. JALMONT Village Innocent Twin / Mason -> Innocent Child. Revealed end of N1
  6. Psypsypsypsypsythe
  7. realiti
a fairy
We all know she has good buddy potential with gummy, since they consensused a lot (and my instinct wrt this if they are buddies is BGB is coming back from a hiatus and clung to his buddy's reads a bit, fairy didn't even notice it was happening). Gummy also scumread more people than he townread, and fairy was one of his townreads IIRC.

pulsar x fairy would be a strange team. They've teamed before as a duo and their relationship this game was very different to the last time, but it was also pulsar's first game and this game she played so much better (great to see in hindsight, the only way she loses is by getting shot I think which is very impressive but also ty scum lmao). pulsar gunned for fairy pretty hard, though never ended a day voting her. The chance of this team isn't 0, but it's low.

Neon
has the villager spew and nothing to feasibly read into besides this. I guess the one takeaway is that neither BGB nor pulsar would come up with the fake villager claim play, so it probably just gives Neon even further towncred.

IPL
I, again, could see IPL probably being with either one of them, but I suppose it's likelier that he'd be with BGB than pulsar. It would be a wild play for both pulsar and IPL to claim investigative while being on the same team, and if IPL is scum then probably the setup has an investigative on both scum factions and on neither town ones. At the same time, I don't actually think IPL is a tracker, and I don't recall playing with him a long time ago (though I think I actually did, at some point) to know how gambity he is. It would be a legitimately viable strategy to double claim investigative and have the other person gain huge towncred once one of them dies to ride out to a win. It's just a high risk strategy, too, and if this is the strategy they executed it probably came from IPL instead of pulsar.

A super level 1 read that I have to say anyway is that the most active IPL has ever been is right after pulsar died. If he's rusty, there's a chance he had poor contribution juggling between scumchat and thread, and that got exposed once the scumchat became useless to him.

I'm not sure there's anything linking BGB and IPL together at all, otherwise, they would just kinda be two scum chilling together. BGB doesn't have links to many players, especially living ones, except hard scumreading me and realiti I think.

Psy
A pretty viable candidate to be with either of them, probably. I'd need to go over and check this, but my instinct is that he didn't actually townread pulsar, which I think is higher buddy equity than townreading / towncoring her in most timelines because I think pulsar was just, a town player for all intents and purposes and it's not like he cased her behaviour in-thread to arrive at reasonably not towncoring her. If they are buddies then the resistance to hard tring her is probably TMI. I think this might also apply to fairy but would need to check that too, but what doesn't also apply to fairy is I don't remember pulsar ever giving thoughts on Psy herself, one way or the other. Again, I'd argue that in most universes this probably increases the likelihood of a Psy x pulsar scumteam, since pulsar read quite widely and had a mobile vote otherwise. OTOH I think pulsar did express fewer townreads than scumreads in the game in general, so it could just amount to not wanting to bus him.

Psy and BGB I'm p sure have no link, I'm not even sure they interacted once, which could be noteworthy in its own right because on D1 Psy was trying to interact with as many people as he could besides Neon. Another one who I could see going either way.

All in all, I don't think BGB and pulsar being the two potential scumbuds looks good for Psy.

realiti
realiti is a very simple slot wrt this. He was scumread by BGB but townread BGB in return (I think). OTOH he was scumread by pulsar to the point of her claiming failed investigate on him D2 but towncored pulsar in return.

Yeah, it's plausible he's with either of them. I townread realiti still, though, and these positions are more of us just mindmelding since I also townread both players by the time they died (whoops). I don't think there's much to discriminate between which one he's likelier to be a buddy with if he is scum, except for pulsar claiming the failed investigate on him D2 is a somewhat risky strategy in case town locks her in to trying to check realiti again, at which point if they are buddies pulsar would either need to fake clear (meaning she gets completely found if realiti gets shot which is a likely outcome) or bus her buddy completely for the towncred (increasing the chance of her getting shot herself). Do either pulsar or realiti think that deeply about this move though? Ehhhhh probably not lol, but even still I'd say the move is risky enough that I'd put scum!realiti as a BGB buddy before a pulsar one.

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tl;dr
Neon probably gains even more townpoints. Great.

fairy is probably likelier with gummy than pulsar, would be surprised if they tried the bus strat all game.

IPL made an interesting gambit if he's scum with pulsar, but overall is probably likelier to be with BGB in the likely event he is scum, and AG really just gave town 0 info roles and put the info roles on each scum faction (which is LMAO, btw).

I need to factcheck my Psy stuff but he's probably got the most pulsar scumbud equity in the game. He also has some with BGB, but p much everyone has some with BGB, while pulsar did a better job of either distancing or bussing her buddy to the point it's hard to draw conclusions. Psy is the main exception to this.

realiti had the same game relationship with both dead scum, but more intensely with pulsar than BGB. pulsar claiming she tried to check realiti D2 but failed is kind of a risk-free play but also kind of a risky one, and might tilt realiti more to the "BGB buddy" side of things, but there's not much else to parse than that.
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and I tried to think about this but my brain is in too much of state of, for lack of a better word, panic
 
JALMONT said:
Ok but this is why I have trust issues and maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt because I troll about this constantly but I’m sorry, this is mylo and we definitely should not be voting today. Like 2v1v1 is “winning” only in the sense that the mafia crossfires and town wins which requires no agency from us. Ok sure I guess that would be funny.

supposedly we have a tracker with a bpv so might as well wait for iPl to claim another non result and hope the remaining scum make a mistake with their actions and then vote with the additional info.
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Right now its 5v1v1

If we vote correct today it becomes 5v1 -> 4v1 at day. Then we can afford to vote incorrectly once before voting correctly a second time.

If we don't vote today it can become 3v1v1 and then if we vote correct its 3v1 -> 2v1. So we have to vote correctly twice in a row.

Correct me if I'm wrong but voting correctly today gives us an extra misvote than no voting today and then voting correctly tomorrow?
 
JALMONT said:
supposedly we have a tracker with a bpv so might as well wait for iPl to claim another non result and hope the remaining scum make a mistake with their actions and then vote with the additional info.
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I have never seen a tracker + bpv. Tracker is believable. BPV is believable. The two roles together is not
 
realiti said:
I have never seen a tracker + bpv. Tracker is believable. BPV is believable. The two roles together is not
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Honestly the fact that the whole game apart from Celever doesn't care about this is incredibly concerning, especially considering the lack of results. The town JK died n1, do we really think bgb was blocked or something?
 
I'm pretty sure the last scum is a fairy and a small chance of being psy because they are good enough players to know how inconceivable IPL's role and results are so I'm confused why they arent commenting on it
 
Celever said:
we're in a p good position rn for the solve bc we know with 100% certainty that both of the remaining scum are either buddies with BGB or pulsar. Solving should probably be done through this lens from this point forward, though I'm sure pulsar gave us more content to work with than BGB did in this regard.
  1. a fairy
  2. Celever
  3. ImaginaryNeon
  4. imperfectluck
  5. JALMONT Village Innocent Twin / Mason -> Innocent Child. Revealed end of N1
  6. Psypsypsypsypsythe
  7. realiti
a fairy
We all know she has good buddy potential with gummy, since they consensused a lot (and my instinct wrt this if they are buddies is BGB is coming back from a hiatus and clung to his buddy's reads a bit, fairy didn't even notice it was happening). Gummy also scumread more people than he townread, and fairy was one of his townreads IIRC.

pulsar x fairy would be a strange team. They've teamed before as a duo and their relationship this game was very different to the last time, but it was also pulsar's first game and this game she played so much better (great to see in hindsight, the only way she loses is by getting shot I think which is very impressive but also ty scum lmao). pulsar gunned for fairy pretty hard, though never ended a day voting her. The chance of this team isn't 0, but it's low.

Neon
has the villager spew and nothing to feasibly read into besides this. I guess the one takeaway is that neither BGB nor pulsar would come up with the fake villager claim play, so it probably just gives Neon even further towncred.

IPL
I, again, could see IPL probably being with either one of them, but I suppose it's likelier that he'd be with BGB than pulsar. It would be a wild play for both pulsar and IPL to claim investigative while being on the same team, and if IPL is scum then probably the setup has an investigative on both scum factions and on neither town ones. At the same time, I don't actually think IPL is a tracker, and I don't recall playing with him a long time ago (though I think I actually did, at some point) to know how gambity he is. It would be a legitimately viable strategy to double claim investigative and have the other person gain huge towncred once one of them dies to ride out to a win. It's just a high risk strategy, too, and if this is the strategy they executed it probably came from IPL instead of pulsar.

A super level 1 read that I have to say anyway is that the most active IPL has ever been is right after pulsar died. If he's rusty, there's a chance he had poor contribution juggling between scumchat and thread, and that got exposed once the scumchat became useless to him.

I'm not sure there's anything linking BGB and IPL together at all, otherwise, they would just kinda be two scum chilling together. BGB doesn't have links to many players, especially living ones, except hard scumreading me and realiti I think.

Psy
A pretty viable candidate to be with either of them, probably. I'd need to go over and check this, but my instinct is that he didn't actually townread pulsar, which I think is higher buddy equity than townreading / towncoring her in most timelines because I think pulsar was just, a town player for all intents and purposes and it's not like he cased her behaviour in-thread to arrive at reasonably not towncoring her. If they are buddies then the resistance to hard tring her is probably TMI. I think this might also apply to fairy but would need to check that too, but what doesn't also apply to fairy is I don't remember pulsar ever giving thoughts on Psy herself, one way or the other. Again, I'd argue that in most universes this probably increases the likelihood of a Psy x pulsar scumteam, since pulsar read quite widely and had a mobile vote otherwise. OTOH I think pulsar did express fewer townreads than scumreads in the game in general, so it could just amount to not wanting to bus him.

Psy and BGB I'm p sure have no link, I'm not even sure they interacted once, which could be noteworthy in its own right because on D1 Psy was trying to interact with as many people as he could besides Neon. Another one who I could see going either way.

All in all, I don't think BGB and pulsar being the two potential scumbuds looks good for Psy.

realiti
realiti is a very simple slot wrt this. He was scumread by BGB but townread BGB in return (I think). OTOH he was scumread by pulsar to the point of her claiming failed investigate on him D2 but towncored pulsar in return.

Yeah, it's plausible he's with either of them. I townread realiti still, though, and these positions are more of us just mindmelding since I also townread both players by the time they died (whoops). I don't think there's much to discriminate between which one he's likelier to be a buddy with if he is scum, except for pulsar claiming the failed investigate on him D2 is a somewhat risky strategy in case town locks her in to trying to check realiti again, at which point if they are buddies pulsar would either need to fake clear (meaning she gets completely found if realiti gets shot which is a likely outcome) or bus her buddy completely for the towncred (increasing the chance of her getting shot herself). Do either pulsar or realiti think that deeply about this move though? Ehhhhh probably not lol, but even still I'd say the move is risky enough that I'd put scum!realiti as a BGB buddy before a pulsar one.

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tl;dr
Neon probably gains even more townpoints. Great.

fairy is probably likelier with gummy than pulsar, would be surprised if they tried the bus strat all game.

IPL made an interesting gambit if he's scum with pulsar, but overall is probably likelier to be with BGB in the likely event he is scum, and AG really just gave town 0 info roles and put the info roles on each scum faction (which is LMAO, btw).

I need to factcheck my Psy stuff but he's probably got the most pulsar scumbud equity in the game. He also has some with BGB, but p much everyone has some with BGB, while pulsar did a better job of either distancing or bussing her buddy to the point it's hard to draw conclusions. Psy is the main exception to this.

realiti had the same game relationship with both dead scum, but more intensely with pulsar than BGB. pulsar claiming she tried to check realiti D2 but failed is kind of a risk-free play but also kind of a risky one, and might tilt realiti more to the "BGB buddy" side of things, but there's not much else to parse than that.
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Okay, I'm trying to look through this, and I just wanna check if this is an accurate way to put the reads from this on the sheet, because this is probably a pretty important post to get down accurately.
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realiti said:
I have never seen a tracker + bpv. Tracker is believable. BPV is believable. The two roles together is not
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I disagree. It’s totally reasonable given the fact that we have no info roles and tracker is probably the weakest info role. It makes sense town would have more than just JK as kill protection.
realiti said:
Right now its 5v1v1

If we vote correct today it becomes 5v1 -> 4v1 at day. Then we can afford to vote incorrectly once before voting correctly a second time.

If we don't vote today it can become 3v1v1 and then if we vote correct its 3v1 -> 2v1. So we have to vote correctly twice in a row.

Correct me if I'm wrong but voting correctly today gives us an extra misvote than no voting today and then voting correctly tomorrow?
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Ok this seems accurate and fair.
 
let's be honest both IPL and I are claiming roles that are a little outlandish, but my role at least has a reason to have a BPV. if my role didn't exist and AG was like "let's give town an info role... tracker... and a way to stall a kill, so a BPV..." in no universe does he go "oh I know, I'll just put them both on the same person" LOL
 
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