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NOC Two Mafias Mafia - Won by The Pack

Psypsypsypsypsythe ImaginaryNeon JALMONT a fairy

IPL has claimed tracker + bpv, a combination of two powerful power roles. Celever also has a BPV that broke from bgb which nobody has disproven, and AG most likely did not include two BPVs in the game. IPL tracked bgb n1 nowhere (bgb is the mafia roleblocker) and tracked pulsar n2 nowhere (they are mafia cop). BGB and pulsar have no reason to idle their abilities.

Why are you guys even considering IPL as anything other than scum?????
 
realiti said:
Psypsypsypsypsythe ImaginaryNeon JALMONT a fairy

IPL has claimed tracker + bpv, a combination of two powerful power roles. Celever also has a BPV that broke from bgb which nobody has disproven, and AG most likely did not include two BPVs in the game. IPL tracked bgb n1 nowhere (bgb is the mafia roleblocker) and tracked pulsar n2 nowhere (they are mafia cop). BGB and pulsar have no reason to idle their abilities.

Why are you guys even considering IPL as anything other than scum?????
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did you read my post about the "if you forced me to pick" or no
 
Celever said:
Interesting that pulsar voted Toaster I actually strongly think it implies pulsar's partner is realiti or Psy and that was done intentionally to keep the second scum alive in IPL.

realiti's shift from "saving" IPL EoD2 to hard pushing him and lamenting being the only one besides me to be properly disbelieving him is notable. Could well be that he's pulsar's partner and didn't want to (probably) get rid of the second kill yet but now is happier to do so
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IPL claimed tracker -> BPV (who claimed info role to absorb kill) which I think is somewhat reasonable and toaster was awful. But now he's claiming tracker + bpv and doubling down on the no results track which is just silly
 
a fairy said:
ls reads

the NAIs: bluegummybear, toasterboi420, imperfectluck
I think the former two are struggling with the high skill ramp that initially getting onboard with mafia (while being a contributive presence) and are pretty NAI as such - you could make an argument that they are getting coached for what little they do positively contribute OR that they aren't getting coached based on how little they add. IPL is a weird case, they're NAI because afaik they havent played maf since back when i was last active, but i remember them being more skilled than "we shouldn't vote." and non-interactive. but it's been over a decade presumably they have a job and/or family or something.

confident in their towniness: Neon, Psy
i know people have grown less fond of the villager image clear. that's fine. some people didn't like it at all at the start. but i still care about it and Neon does edge out Psy here w.r.t. how much towny im confident in them being. i'd be very surprised if either flipped scum. this has little more than what i was saying about the villager image thing, so feel free to disregard it (if anyone is taking any read of mine genuinely idk)

i'd bet on them being town: HH
he's maintained a consistent behavior, which is maybe hard to go off of because he's yet to roll scum. that's fine. i think that a scum HH does struggle with maintaining behavior, but that went pretty poorly for me that one game i was sure HH was acting different and scum. this one is weaker for me than the first two, but i do think HH is comfortably town here.

these are probably town but i wouldn't be shocked if they were scum: jalmont, zippy, realiti
a wide range in a group, admittedly, but these are all vocal folk who are confident in what they've been saying and are folks that haven't really at any point given me strong worries about them being scum. no, i don't have jalmont and ehmcee together, i think there's a non-zero chance that the pairing there is something more than genuine mason twins, be that jalmont opportunitist grabbing the spot and ehmcee playing along fsr, it not being masonry, etc etc.

i think there is multiple scum in this group: Ehmcee, Celever, pulsar512b
i'm most confident about pulsar, who didnt interact with the villager image stuff and kept trying to bait me into fluff chats. and then overnight went, "ls is scum" and as far as i can tell has no progression or explanation towards that. ehmcee and celever have both given me reasons to think they're scum, unlike the above group - celever gives me lover's dance vibes, and i see the logic behind what folks like psy have been calling ehmcee scum.
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ok the goldmine this is useful.

So yeah, overall a similar structure in that the villager fiasco was valued by both, besides that me + pulsar + zippy are shared scumreads with the remainder of BGB's scumpool being in "NAI" alongside BGB himself. This includes a fairly niche overlapping opinion on Hydro town, who wasn't particularly widely townread, either.

All in all it was consensusy. Like once again I've never said this consensusing proves that a fairy is definitely BGB's buddy, but it contributes to the case of it. More than anything this has been me working out why I felt that way and if I was crazy and it turns out I'm not. pulsar scum was very counter-hegemonic and Hydro town was reasonably counter-hegemonic so I do find it fairly notable. BGB and a fairy were also the two people / two of the people scumreading me hardest but that wasn't really counter-hegemonic, I was a polarised slot during D1, but still a consensus there. Zippy scum ended up being hegemonic but I believe this stuff came before public attitude shifted.

Like it definitely, definitely was consensusy, about as much as you could expect in a game with this small of a playerlist combined with the villager fiasco. The only real point of difference is wrt the twins (a fairy disbelieved them and BGB believed them), and maybe with realiti though I think BGB scumread realiti in places too, realiti said that today I think?
 
So yeah, overall a similar structure in that the villager fiasco was valued by both, besides that me + pulsar + zippy are shared scumreads with the remainder of BGB's scumpool being in "NAI" alongside BGB himself. This includes a fairly niche overlapping opinion on Hydro town, who wasn't particularly widely townread, either.
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a) dont call that post a "shared zippy scumread" because it isnt
b) at the time of that post hh was not read by most and those that were reading him were reading him town
 
a fairy said:
a) dont call that post a "shared zippy scumread" because it isnt
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Are you saying the format of that post isn't NAI -> Town -> Townlean -> Scumlean -> Scum ?
b) at the time of that post hh was not read by most and those that were reading him were reading him town
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I think I agree with this recollection, it doesn't mean you weren't consensusing with BGB on it though. Like, once again, it's a proven correct read, it's just that your mentalities on this stuff were similar early into the game where a lot of other people were in totally different places in terms of solving.

It's also not the biggest point in the world and I'm not saying it proves you scum, I just think yes it is valid to say that you were consensusing and it's valid that I picked up on that at the time too. Even if the read on pulsar was correct, it's noteworthy that you and BGB read her as such while no one else was.
 
like this is simply a scum who is not used to mafia that bought into "psy neon and fairy are hardlocked town" adjusting their reads to match up with an easily digestible town POV - psy d1 was hard to pin down thoughts from, and neon is allergic to creating reads
 
a fairy said:
if it was that then i'd say that. idk how you got "scumlean" out of a category that started with " these are probably town "
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TBF, because the last category is "there are multiple scum in this group" and if that's all 3 of us or 2 of us + a NAI then "these are probably town but could be scum" is a correct title for a scumlean category lol

this is really unimportant wording stuff but yeah I was doing this quickly and my brain went "scumlean ok cool"
 
i'm glad we've cleared that up then. i was well aware that my list of likely/potential scum was not equal to the sum total of the scum players in game. i was well aware i probably was misTRing someone. i was well aware i was probably mistakenly reading ssomeone as scum who wasn't esp when i called shot on ehmcee
 
a fairy said:
like this is simply a scum who is not used to mafia that bought into "psy neon and fairy are hardlocked town" adjusting their reads to match up with an easily digestible town POV - psy d1 was hard to pin down thoughts from, and neon is allergic to creating reads
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BGB has played a fair few times he's acc quite used to mafia, fwiw. That's why it's kinda notable, he knows what he's doing

could it be that he was matching his reads to yours in a T/W scenario? sure, I've said that before
 
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