Pokémon Tyranitar

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I find an interesting tactic Tyranitar can use is, after his initial Sand Stream peters out, he can Mega Evolve and set it up again.

At least, I think it works that way........both a tank and sweeper would definitely benefit from this, methinks.
 
Assault Vest also prevents SR from being used right?
I've always used Ttar as lead/support but the AV looks really juicy so I feel should make use of it.
Choice Scarf is so enticing too ;~;
 
Lord of Bays said:
Choice Band TTar is gonna stay around for a long time since GameFreak introduced Aegislash.
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Just curious, do you think banded TTar will really be able to take Aegislash?
Thinking it through, it sounds like Banded TTar has to go for Crunch, which sounds great since steel lost its resistance to dark types. But as soon as TTar comes out, Aegislash can predict the crunch and king's shield, totally nerfing TTar and locking it in to crunch.

I don't see other TTar sets having a problem with Aegislash because of the lack of resistance to dark, it just seems to me like he'd need to carry a non-hitting move to make Aegislash waste the king's shield on the first turn.

Maybe DD, anticipating King's Shield gives TTar the chance to set up and hit back on the next turn, and after a DD I can't imagine Aegislash being happy about being Crunched.
 
Well, Aegislash has a liiittle bit of 4MSS if it runs King's Shield, but that's something you'll have to scout. If Aegislash is in Sword Stance then it's done if CBTar switches in and it has Pursuit.
 
Lord of Bays said:
Well, Aegislash has a liiittle bit of 4MSS if it runs King's Shield, but that's something you'll have to scout. If Aegislash is in Sword Stance then it's done if CBTar switches in and it has Pursuit.
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You'll have to pardon my ignorance, I'm clearly missing something here, but given King's Shield's priority does it matter if CBTar switches in while Aegislash is in Sword? Seems like you'd face the same problem.

I think you're right that Aeigslash very much will be 4mss if it carries King's Shield, but I think most people will be so excited by it for a while that they'll try to run it anyway. It'll probably die out in usage, but I'd imagine it'd take a bit. Also, since it seems now that King's Shield is the only move that changes Aeigslash back to Shield Form, it may stay in usage. TTar would really hate getting it's attack nerfed by King's Shield.

Also, I worry about using Assault Vest for the same reason. While it would make TTar quite the tank and sounds amazing on paper, it sounds like Aegislash could be a go-to counter in the same fashion. Switch in on AVTar, use King's Shield to neuter it, next turn TTar either switches out or tries to hit to little avail while Aegislash is in shield form, then kill it with Sacred Sword.
 
No, I'm saying that Aegislash WON'T be running King's Shield as often as you make it sound. Certainly fairly common, but it's not going to be a case of Tyranitar failing to ever deal with Aegislash due to King's Shield. It will be a little popular early and then die off for the most part.
 
Lord of Bays said:
No, I'm saying that Aegislash WON'T be running King's Shield as often as you make it sound. Certainly fairly common, but it's not going to be a case of Tyranitar failing to ever deal with Aegislash due to King's Shield. It will be a little popular early and then die off for the most part.
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Agreed for the most part, that's what I was saying, it will be popular early on and then die off.

Or rather... that's what I was thinking. But Stance Change seems like too good of an ability for Aegislash users to frequently pass up, and they need King's Shield on the set to make use of Aegislash's defenses. And in order to make use of Aegislash's buffing moves, it needs to be Shield Form.

I'm hesitant. I HOPE you're right, I'd love TTar to be a go-to counter for Aegislash, but I'm worried that King's Shield will remain popular because of Stance Change, forcing TTar to carry a buffing move rather than a choice item or assault vest.


If we go ahead and grant that premise that King's Shield will remain popular, letting Aegislash nerf TTar consistently (just bear with me for argument), I think either a mega TTar + DD or a Lum berry + DD set would work best. If King's Shield stays popular, it requires TTar to carry a status move, be it either DD or SR, and given Defog and TTar's need for speed, DD seems like the better option to me.

Thoughts?
 
King's Shield will be on literally all Aegislash except Rock Polish, which beats Tyranitar anyway.

Aegislash fucks Tyranitar hard. Even Band Crunch only does like 40% if it gets hit by the attack drop (and it will).
 
Yamborski said:
King's Shield will be on literally all Aegislash except Rock Polish, which beats Tyranitar anyway.

Aegislash fucks Tyranitar hard. Even Band Crunch only does like 40% if it gets hit by the attack drop (and it will).
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Even after a DD and crunch? Are you assuming Aegislash is still in Shield Form? Can we see some calcs here? I'd imagine that Aegislash won't like not being able to get King's Shield on TTar, and if it can't do that, it'll be kind of boned.
 
Thorhammer said:
252+ CB Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Tyranitar: 231-271 (67.8%-79.8%)
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Well this is actually cool advantage over normal Tyranitar. In this case going Dragon Dance MegaTyranitar may actually be worth a shot. If you really wanted to use DD Tyranitar (Normal One), you technically needed Babiri Berry for Scizor or he would Bullet Punch you all of time. While I still think normal Tyranitar is better in most cases, DD set with higher physical bulk + higher base speed may actually be something that he's not outclassed at.
 
Kejmur said:
Well this is actually cool advantage over normal Tyranitar. In this case going Dragon Dance MegaTyranitar may actually be worth a shot. If you really wanted to use DD Tyranitar (Normal One), you technically needed Babiri Berry for Scizor or he would Bullet Punch you all of time. While I still think normal Tyranitar is better in most cases, DD set with higher physical bulk + higher base speed may actually be something that he's not outclassed at.
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Hell, MIXED MegaTar seems worth it since MixTar historically has never carried Life Orb. Only Expert Belt or some other item like a resist berry or Focus Sash. Even if you run Hasty, all you need is 8 HP EVs and CB Scizor misses the OHKO. Mega Scizor's Bullet Punch, of course, isn't as strong. I've been doing a little testing ;)

On the subject of Aegislash vs. Tyranitar, it literally comes down to mindgames if it's DD Tyranitar vs. King's Shield Aegislash(literally every Aegislash I've seen so far). Aegislash also has Sacred Sword and STAB Iron Head, but it's not like Tyranitar doesn't have attacks to get around King's Shield. If King's Shield stays popular, Ttar can run stuff like Earthquake (not a contact move), Fire Blast/Flamethrower, or Dark Pulse.
 
Lack of mention of weakness policy makes me sad. TTar has a ton of weaknesses but isnt reliably OHKO'd by things like unboosted Surfs or Heatrans Earth Power. Access to an instant +2/+2 is absurd on a pokemon like that.

Something like
Tyranitar@Weakness Policy
Jolly/Sand Stream
252Atk/252Spe/4Hp
-Dragon Dance
-Crunch
-Stone Miss
-Filler

A +2 Attack/Speed Tyranitar is an absolute terror, few things can reasonably survive it. Dragon Dance over Rock Polish for 2 reasons: Even with Rock Polish you still lose to most of the common scarfers. While it does allow you to outrun all unscarfed pokemon, the amount of pokemon that actually hit 120+ speed in OU are pretty low. More importantly however it doesnt RELY on Weakness Policy to be dangerous. Say what you will about DDTar, it's still an amazing pokemon if you can get past Scizor lol.
 
hotcoldyay7 said:
What's better at Countering and checking mega gengar? Assault vest tyranitar or megatyranitar?
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Neither, Scaarf probably is the best bet (since it outspeeds anyway, correct me if I am wrong). Also, is it worth it to run max speed? Perhaps we could do something like Rock Polish Lando-I did last gen (before it was banned) and move some into bulk to let MegaTar take a few hits as it DDs and/or take more than one BP from Scizor?

Thinking Aegislash-Megatar might be a decent core this gen, since Aegis can set up on most of the things that DD Megatar is checked by (especially Scizor).
 
Alphanex20 said:
Neither, Scaarf probably is the best bet (since it outspeeds anyway, correct me if I am wrong). Also, is it worth it to run max speed? Perhaps we could do something like Rock Polish Lando-I did last gen (before it was banned) and move some into bulk to let MegaTar take a few hits as it DDs and/or take more than one BP from Scizor?

Thinking Aegislash-Megatar might be a decent core this gen, since Aegis can set up on most of the things that DD Megatar is checked by (especially Scizor).
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Im almost positive jolly scarftar cant outspeed megagengar. That variant, iirc, only has enough to outspeed normal gengar. Mega gengar timid max speed hits 394, while ttar scarfed jolly with max speed hits like 364 or 365.
 
hotcoldyay7 said:
Im almost positive jolly scarftar cant outspeed megagengar. That variant, iirc, only has enough to outspeed normal gengar. Mega gengar timid max speed hits 394, while ttar scarfed jolly with max speed hits like 364 or 365.
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Nuts...but TTar isn't the best to handle megagar since Focus Blast is a thing (and do not forget shadow tag). You're better off using something like Scizor or Aegislash to handle Megagar, though TTar's sand and rocks support helps with them (you need one or the other for Aegis to OHKO with Sneak, for example).
 
Alphanex20 said:
Nuts...but TTar isn't the best to handle megagar since Focus Blast is a thing (and do not forget shadow tag). You're better off using something like Scizor or Aegislash to handle Megagar, though TTar's sand and rocks support helps with them (you need one or the other for Aegis to OHKO with Sneak, for example).
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Kk thanks. I wish megagar would be banned and stop making life so hard already XD the only reason i though ttar could do well was its bulk and resistance to megagar stabs and that access to pursuit, which puts megagar in a really tight position. Guess 4x is still 4x heh.
 
Most of TTar's roles can be covered up by other mons. Except for one.

IMO, TTar is the only true counter to CharY and weather reliant teams. And then weather was nerfed thus TTar's main role was nerfed indirectly as well.

That Mega Slot is better off being used by someone else, let's face it.

My Moveset would be:

TTar @ Assault Vest

252hp/126Def/126Spd/4Spe

- Stealth Rock
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Thunder Wave/Roar

A Support Tank that can safely switch in into common threats, packed with sandstream to as the final middle finger to the already nerfed weather teams.

I'll do the calcs latur.
 
Torn between three TTar sets in game ATM. I have 3 flawless tyranitars each with their own function.

A specially oriented one with stealth rocks and fire blast and leftovers.

An assault vest with pursuit crunch EQ (wish I could get super power) and stone miss. Max hp max attack.

Mega TTar max attack max speed dd crunch stone miss and eq
 
Pikachuu said:
Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
EV's: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Atk
- Crunch / Payback
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge / Ice Beam / Fire Blast
- Superpower / Low Kick
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I'm sure a lot of people have already figured this out, but I'll just point out the obvious. Superpower is unavailable in the current OU metagame (it will be released with pokebank in December).

I also have a question for the lost slot. Would earthquake be a suitable move? I have been running Earthquake (since I can't get superpower) and I feel like I have a reliable answer for aegislash. And it also makes the edgequake combo.
 
CakeGuy said:
Most of TTar's roles can be covered up by other mons. Except for one.
IMO, TTar is the only true counter to CharY and weather reliant teams. And then weather was nerfed thus TTar's main role was nerfed indirectly as well.
That Mega Slot is better off being used by someone else, let's face it.
My Moveset would be:

TTar @ Assault Vest
252hp/126Def/126Spd/4Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Thunder Wave/Roar

A Support Tank that can safely switch in into common threats, packed with sandstream to as the final middle finger to the already nerfed weather teams.
I'll do the calcs latur.
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You can't use Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, or Roar with Assault Vest.
 
I have a question about how to make the Assault Vest set work. First, which nature would be the best suitable for it? This is intended for an offensive special tank, right? So I'm assuming Sassy or Careful are the ones to go?
 
Is a Sassy nature even useful anymore even if you're using Fire Blast/Ice Beam for coverage? Does it net any 2HKOs that running a Careful Nature won't net you?
 
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