Uber Battle Evil Ruthless Squadron (The 1st letters spell Ubers =P)

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All right, so I just started the Ubers metagame and I am doing okay. I made up (attempted it you prefer =P) to make my 1st Ubers team. I made it to the offensive viewpoint and it is working out okay so far. I have about 3-3 so far, but I wish for more wins instead of losses.

Team Overview:

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Team more In-Depth:

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Darkrai @ Focus Sash
Timid 4 HP 252 SpA 252 Spe
~ Dark Void
~ Nasty Plot
~ Dark Pulse
~ Focus Blast

Use: I use a Darkrai Lead to start off. I was originally going to try out a Latios, but when I saw this set in the platinum darkrai discussion, I liked it. It actually has been doing okay in the beginning of the game. Dark Void usually is his first attack, unless I am going up against a taunter, then it is either Dark Pulse or Focus Blast. Nasty Plot really helps to boost the danger this guy poses.


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Mew @ Choice Scarf
Adamant Nature 148 HP 252 Atk 108 Spe
~ Superpower/Me First
~ Sucker Punch
~ Thunder Punch
~ Ice Punch

Use: I made up this set while looking at Mew and its endless possibilities. I made this set also, and it has been working out okay. Mew definately doesn't pack enough power to kill, but still pretty awesome. The EVs are a bit weird, but my explanation for them is this: 252 atk and Adamant are a must, 108 speed makes me tie with max speed mewtwo, and 148 HP makes Mew a bit bulky. As for the moves, Ice Punch hits those nasty dragons and groudons running around, Thunder Punch does the same for Kyogre/Palkia, Sucker Punch is a nice priority to use on the psychics in the environment, and Superpower is really just filler. I am also wondering on Me First since it can be pretty strong. I really don't know how it functions under a choice item though, so I haven't really tested it yet. Still, it is a possibility!

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Kyogre @ Choice Specs
Modest 232 HP 252 SpA 24 Spe
~ Surf
~ Water Spout
~ Thunder
~ Ice Beam

Use: Specs Kyogre is a very powerful being. Setting up rain as he comes in helps out Palkia and makes his powerful Water Spout and Surf very strong. Water Spout is for when I am still healthy, and Surf is for when I am lower in health. Thunder hits other Kyogres and Palkia that might trouble me, and Ice Beam is for dragons! I find Kyogre hitting many teams hard and I like him for that!

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Palkia @ Lustrous Orb
Hasty 6 Atk 252 SpA 252 Spe
~ Surf
~ Thunder
~ Spacial Rend
~ Aqua Tail

Use: Palkia and Kyogre are just best of friends! I just love rain, and I'm sure Palkia loves it to. Lustrous Orb helps all of its STAB attacks, while rain benefits 3/4 of the attacks as well. Aqua Tail is on there just in case I come face to face with something that boosts its SpD or Blissey, as Surf just won't do its job! Spacial Rend is a monster attack, and it tears through any dragons that stand in my path. Palkia definately helps out with this team.

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Scizor @ Choice Band
Adamant 6 HP 252 Atk 252 Spe
~ Bullet Punch
~ Pursuit
~ U-Turn
~ Superpower

Use: CB Scizor is very powerful. I am thinking about LO, but for now its CB. Pursuit is a must in his moveset, as is Bullet Punch. U-Turn is mainly for scouting, and Superpower is just filler. Not much to talk about here, but he is a must on this team! I am definately very strongly considering LO here.

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Deoxys-A @ Life Orb
Hasty 252 SpA 252 Spe 6 Atk
~ Ice Beam
~ Thunder
~ Superpower
~ Shadow Ball

Use: My late game janitor. I usually try to use him very last, but sometimes I catch myself not doing that. LO Mix Deoxys attacks on both attacking stats which is needed for late game. If rain is still going, then Thunder can be very poweful, Ice Beam is for any dragon in my way, Shadow Ball is for the Psychic pokemon that think they can battle, and Superpower is for Blissey and such. Deoxys-A has really been doing a good job of late game sweeping, and I like it for that!



So, that is my first attempt at an Ubers team, so rate away! I am very unexperienced in this field so make suggestions, comment, etc. I will be happy to hear about it!
 
How does 108 Spd Adamant Mew tie max speed mewtwo? Max speed mewtwo comes out to 394.

I think the problem with CB scizor is that he will give a lot of free switches. I'd try going LO.
 
Hmm, mew really shouldn't be sweeping. It has weak offensive stats, weak defensive stats, and has no STAB on moves. The only thing Mew can do is baton pass. Lets try and replace Mew for scarfDialga

Dialga @ Choice Scarf
Adamant / Pressure
252 Atk, 252 speed, 6 hp
Outrage
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Shadow Claw/Stone Edge

You'll find that this works much better. Scarf Dialga can be a lot of things, so this is just one of many sets you can use. A mixed Scarf set works just great, as its more difficult to counter.

EDIT: Yeah, I was kind of in a rush, and quite frankly didn't notice you have no defense on this team. As Burst Limit said, replace it with either Latias or Blissey.
 
chenman333 said:
How does 108 Spd Adamant Mew tie max speed mewtwo? Max speed mewtwo comes out to 394.

I think the problem with CB scizor is that he will give a lot of free switches. I'd try going LO.
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He has a scarf...

I would also recommend Life Orb with the trapper set. Scizor isn't fast enough to effectively use CB in ubers.

Palkia weak. I suggest Latias over Mew.
 
I don't like Mew at all. The Uber environment is different than OU. In OU you can try a gimmick set and it may work, in Ubers however, a set like that is asking for disaster.

If you insist on using it then I recommend a change in the EV's. You should go Jolly with max speed to outspeed a once Dragon Danced Rayquaza and KO with ice punch. Speaking of Rayquaza, if it does pick up that DD(or even worse, SD) try to lure it into outrage because a +1(or +2) life orb extreemespeed will tear your team to shreds.

Another flaw in your team is CB Scizor. Superpower can only net you coverage against Dialga and Darkrai. The latter takes more damage from U-Turn thanks to STAB. That leaves Dialga who is faster and can Bulk Up before you hit, or nail you with a fire move. The other three moves are standards for the trapper Scizor.

With that said I really urge you to use the trapper set from the analysis which will help you against Lati@s, Deoxys-A and Darkrai if you activated the sleep clause.


PS: That Dialga set MM_Zero suggested looks the perfect candidate to replace Mew. SleepTalk can be placed in one of the first two slots as it will allow Dialga to absorb the Dark Void without having to sacrifice something every time Darkrai comes out. Beware though, the scarf locks you into the move SleepTalk selected so you better switch out after the first use.
 
OK i like your team very good for a beginner but having 3 Choice pokemon isn't a good i dea in ubers now......LO Deoxys-A isn't being used anymore...since i started using Focus sash on my Deoxys-A its been really helpful Here try this Deoxys-A:
Deoxys-a @ Focus sash
Hasty/ Pressure
Thunderbolt/Thunder
Ice Beam/Grass Knot
SuperPower
Extremspeed
Thunderbolt can be used for more accuracy and Thunder for more power to hits Kyogres and Palkias. Ice beam and grass knot...any goes with this set but Ice beam will hit the dragons very hard. Superpower is to OHKO Darkrai and will do more than 60% of Damage to Dialga Extremspeed is to finish opponents of who barely holding by 1-20% of HP like if Kyogre survives a thunder or thunderbolt Extremspeed will finish it off if the Kyogre is running C.scarf.
 
ss4_hybrid said:
OK i like your team very good for a beginner but having 3 Choice pokemon isn't a good i dea in ubers now......LO Deoxys-A isn't being used anymore...since i started using Focus sash on my Deoxys-A its been really helpful .
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Focus Sash is only helpful on starter Deoxys, otherwise it gets ruined by SR (which is very common and hardly anyone has a spinner). Otherwise, LO is better.

CB Scizor can work, I'm not against it. A high attack Bullet Punch is handy, and the recoil didn't help much with U-turn. It also allows for Superpower on Dialga. However, Scizor's main purpose was to counter Lati@s and Darkrai, which is worsened by all those Speed EVs. You might want to move them to Hlth; it also makes him a better Ray counter (Steel typing makes him at least a decent Outrage absorber with Hlth EVs). Who will you outspeed with those EVs... Tyranitar, who is rarely seen, and I don't give a dam for Shedninja.

What Mew is doing can be done better for Mewtwo, who has all those moves and better Att and Speed. No one will suspect a physical attack scarfed Mewtwo.

Palkia should be Timid and have that 4 Att EVs in Hlth. The one reason Palkia has Aqua Tail is to 2HKO Blissey (which only happens under Rain). These changes still allow for this to happen, whilst with the extra defence, he can survive a SD boosted Ray extremespeed (which is very common).
 
In Ubers Scizor, like others previously stated, shouldn't be running Choice Band. Light Screen or Roost > Superpower.

Your team has a huge weakness to Palkia AND Dialga. The former can be a little easier to get around just because it lacks the defensive EVs, but Bulk Up + Resttalk + Outrage Dialga can switch into every single one of your pokemon, provided you aren't spamming fighting moves the whole game. I think Skarmory could help with this issue, plus it beats Choice Scarf Heracross, who runs through this team very easily.

As for Palkia, there really isn't a surefire counter, but if you are having troubles bringing it down, then Latias is your best bet. She survives a Lustrous Orb Spacial Rend, then outspeeds and KOs with Dragon Pulse. The problem is many Palkia are into Choice Scarf, which if they are Spacial Rending means it dies.

That Mew set seems like a waste. You could use some more power in this slot. Choice Scarf Dialga could work, although I definitely would not waste its 150 base special attack unless you are running Bulk Up.

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Dialga @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Hasty / Mild (+Spe, -Def) / (+SpA, -Def)
EV: 176 Atk / 128 SpA / 204 Spe or 176 Atk / 144 SpA / 188 Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Outrage
-Thunder
-Fire Blast / Earthquake

This may be useful for your team, revenge killing threats such as Palkia and some Rayquaza. Hasty with the corresponding EVs allow you to outspeed Deoxys-A and OHKO it with Draco Meteor or Outrage. Mild and the given EVs allow you to outspeed base 130s and below, including Mewtwo and Darkrai, OHKOing them both easily. The attack EVs allow you to 2HKO your standard 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD Calm Blissey with Outrage. Mild obviously gives you more power, much like the issue of Modest > Timid on ScarfOgre. Thunder because the most prevalent weather condition in Ubers is rain, or atleast from my experience. It will hit Kyogre a tad more than Draco Meteor (140 x 1.5 = 210, 120 x 2 = 240), while also allowing you to hit it harder for consecutive hits. Fire Blast would be for steels such as Skarmory, Bronzong, etc. but Earthquake is better for this team because you have Kyogre, and Earthquake hurts Metagross harder in the rain and Heatran is OHKOed.
 
darknessmalice said:
Focus Sash is only helpful on starter Deoxys, otherwise it gets ruined by SR (which is very common and hardly anyone has a spinner). Otherwise, LO is better.

CB Scizor can work, I'm not against it. A high attack Bullet Punch is handy, and the recoil didn't help much with U-turn. It also allows for Superpower on Dialga. However, Scizor's main purpose was to counter Lati@s and Darkrai, which is worsened by all those Speed EVs. You might want to move them to Hlth; it also makes him a better Ray counter (Steel typing makes him at least a decent Outrage absorber with Hlth EVs). Who will you outspeed with those EVs... Tyranitar, who is rarely seen, and I don't give a dam for Shedninja.

What Mew is doing can be done better for Mewtwo, who has all those moves and better Att and Speed. No one will suspect a physical attack scarfed Mewtwo.

Palkia should be Timid and have that 4 Att EVs in Hlth. The one reason Palkia has Aqua Tail is to 2HKO Blissey (which only happens under Rain). These changes still allow for this to happen, whilst with the extra defence, he can survive a SD boosted Ray extremespeed (which is very common).
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Oh yeah thank you for mentioning that i forgot to mention it. And you should put the LO on Darkrai and replace Focus Blast with Focus Punch to hit Dialga and Blissey.
 
Thanks for all the comments! I did realize that mew wasn't really doing what it was supposed to do. I will definately consider putting in Dialga, Mewtwo or Latias as some people have been saying!

Also, How much speed EV's should I move over to HP on scizor?
 
Scizor in Ubers should be used with the EV spread from the Smogon Dex.

Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
EVs 176 HP / 100 Atk / 176 SpD / 56 Spe
~U-Turn
~Pursuit
~Roost
~Bullet Punch / Light Screen

Life orb is the preferred item here.

You mentioned that you're inexperienced at playing Ubers, so what I suggest is; take some time to play with your team to see what are your team weaknesses. You become a better battler that way and you could always report back here for advice.

Hope I helped :)
 
lol that ev spread sucks
go with Articanus's Scizor spread, i dont know what it is off my head because i dont use scizor on my team but it involves 252 spdef because often it is the only steel type on ones team, ie no one is going with Scizor and Jirachi on the same team, and so it must be bulky to take the dragon pulses and ice beams flying around

but I dont like Scizor anyway in ubers because:

1. Its slow like molasses. Its supposed to "counter" Darkrai and Lati Twins but because its so goddamn slow, it doesnt do a good job because i doubt either of them are ohkoed by Bullet Punch, and Darkrai can Sleep Scizor and, either NP or Focus Blast him to hell
Latias is in a similar situation, it lives min attack palkia dragon claw so im sure it can survive a neutral base 90 attack, and OHKO with HP fire unless its raining, at which point Life Orb will probably knock it out

2. There are better options, like Metagross is almost always a better option, its bulkier, and learns some neat tricks in Ice Punch and Explosion

3. If You MUST stop Darkrai/Latios/Latias, Scarf Heracross is as reliable as they come, while Heracross doesnt serve anther purpose, Scizor doesnt either
 
xxflyingsolo07xx said:
lol that ev spread sucks
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The purpose of that Scizor is to swap in and beat Lati@s, Darkrai and Mewtwo (without Flamethrower). Scarf Heracross takes too much damage. Scizor has Bullet Punch because of its low speed, speed is not an issue. Bullet Punch > Light Screen always, its too hard to find time for Light Screen. If you need it, replace Roost (not much time for that either).

Metagross lacks Technician and STAB U-turn, which is handy to hit the many ubers weak to it AND immediately swap out when your opponent swaps to Groudon (which happens a lot).

Scizor is handy, not a core part of any team, but its handy and can fit in well. He can even Bullet Punch Rayquaza as it Outrages (and it resists Extremespeed, though he is not a counter). But yes, many Lati@s are now having HP Fire just for Scizor

Speed on Scizor is useless. Even with max speed, he can't be sure to outrun the many 90 base speed ubers, who might invest in Speed just for him (and Tar and Metagross). And Scizor is crap against those ubers anyways. I'm against all speed because that 56 Speed EVs serves two purposes:
  • Shedninja, who I havn't seen for months due to instant death by the common SR and spinning is so rare. Shed will never ever beat Scizor, and if you're that worried about getting burned, most Sheds have Focus Sash, so you will probably get burned regardless.
  • Other Scizor - this is just silly. Scizors don't pose a threat to other Scizor. You're better just Roosting all your health and U-turning away. On U-turning, less Speed is definitely better because as they U-turn to their Scizor counter, you U-turn to counter whatever they have.
Put the speed in Att.
 
xxflyingsolo07xx said:
lol that ev spread sucks
go with Articanus's Scizor spread, i dont know what it is off my head because i dont use scizor on my team but it involves 252 spdef because often it is the only steel type on ones team, ie no one is going with Scizor and Jirachi on the same team, and so it must be bulky to take the dragon pulses and ice beams flying around

but I dont like Scizor anyway in ubers because:

1. Its slow like molasses. Its supposed to "counter" Darkrai and Lati Twins but because its so goddamn slow, it doesnt do a good job because i doubt either of them are ohkoed by Bullet Punch, and Darkrai can Sleep Scizor and, either NP or Focus Blast him to hell
Latias is in a similar situation, it lives min attack palkia dragon claw so im sure it can survive a neutral base 90 attack, and OHKO with HP fire unless its raining, at which point Life Orb will probably knock it out

2. There are better options, like Metagross is almost always a better option, its bulkier, and learns some neat tricks in Ice Punch and Explosion

3. If You MUST stop Darkrai/Latios/Latias, Scarf Heracross is as reliable as they come, while Heracross doesnt serve anther purpose, Scizor doesnt either
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Actually that Scizor is very viable in Ubers. If you're too worried about Darkrai you can use Lum Berry. You lose the OHKO without stealth rock though, but you can put more attack EVs anytime. Also, Scizor is one of the best Deoxys-A checks in the game(Metagross too as long as it's carrying Bullet Punch+Pursuit).

Heracross does a fine job scaring Darkrai and Lati@s away but it doesn't have that technician pursuit to trap Lati@s(which is what Scizor is used for). Not to mention that Heracross cannot switch into dragon attacks. And if your opponent has a physicall wall(Giratina, Lugia) then Heracross will not do any damage.
 
sorry for a newbism, but how can Lugia stop a Heracross? When it roosts it becomes Megahorn weak and Lugias almost never carry an Aeroblast. Giratina stops him for sure but I am not sure about Lugia. Of course that you can switch in on choiced Close Combat w/o a problem
 
The only viable Heracross in Ubers is the choice scarf one. Lugia can come in, set up a reflect and roost off(Lugia is slower than ScarfCross) any damage it has taken.
 
the way i see it, Scizor is too damn slow to pull off a Pursuit, as if i had a Latios/Latias on my team i would just HP Fire that thing to hell, instead of switching

oh and btw, like almost everyone else here has said, Mew has to go
its outclassed in every way by Mewtwo and Darkrai,
its only use is either the Baton Passer of old but thats generally frowned upon, or the support set lead with SR, Explosion, and either trick if its scarfing, Fake Out to burn Sashes, and some other move, a Screen, Uturn or Taunt
 
Yeah, thanks for the comments everyone! I am still planning on giving mew the boot, probably with the mix scarf Dialga posted here. EV's on Scizor are definately going to change!

Post more fixes on my team that would help me out in this new environment. I plan on making some changes tommorow as I have been away almost all of today and yesterday!
 
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