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Atlasquake

So this is my first truly competitive team. It has done well in Shoddy Battle ( I have a 12/5 win/loss record right now with this team) and I’m thinking about putting it into my HeartGold game via PokeSav. So before I do this, I want to get some advice from you, the great people at Smogon U. Thanks in advance!!! :naughty: Also, if you have a good name for this team, PLEASE let me know!!


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Lead
Jirachi @Choice Scarf
Serene Grace
Atk:252 HP:80 Spe:176
Jolly
-Trick
-Stealth Rock
-Iron Head
-U-Turn
 This is my lead. Jirachi will Trick the choice scarf to their lead, then Stealth Rock. Depending on what the type advantage is, I might Iron Head. But if I feel unsafe, then I can just U-Turn and get the heck outta there.
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Special Sweeper / DDMence Killer
Starmie @ Choice Scarf
Natural Cure
252Spe / 252SpA / 4HP
Timid
-Surf
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
BoltBeaming Starmie. Dont see those everyday (i hope lol). Mostly going to be used as a revenge killer if I encounter a DDMence.( Thanks to DropTheNuke )

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Special Wall / Cleric
Blissey @Leftovers
Natural Cure
HP:252 Def:58 SpD:200
Bold
-Seismic Toss
-Wish
-Softboiled
-Heal Bell
Blissey is the main Cleric. When a pokemon is low on HP, I simply bring out Blissey, Softboiled (Wish first if needed and Toss the turn before it activates) the pokemon that needs healing, then switch back out, or Heal Bell as needed. and Seismic Toss if I know it is a 1hit when the foe is low on health.
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Physical Sweeper
Gyarados @Life Orb
156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spe
Adamant
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Taunt
The all-powerful DD Gyarados! Yay. Might change Taunt for Ice Fang, but not sure yet. Let me know. He is my main Physical Sweeper. Fast and powerful after a Dance or two.

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Mixed Sweeper
Salamence @Life Orb
Intimidate
HP:80 Spe:176 SpA:252
Rash
-Draco Meteor
-Flamethrower
-Brick Break
-Roost
Ugh. I’m getting bored and it’s late. XD So anyways… Salamence. The epitome of the OU tier. I’m using him as a Mixed Sweeper; Dragon Pulse for the STAB, Flamethrower and Brick Break when I have the type advantage, and Roost when my HP is low, most likely due to Life Orb. :P

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Physical Sweeper
Infernape @Leftovers
Blaze
SpA:64 Atk:252 Spe:192
Naive
-Close Combat
-U-turn
-Stone Edge
-Overheat
Physical Sweeper. Wow. My whole team is sweepers... Oh well. So the plan with Nape is: Attack with whatever has the type advantage. lol srsly tho.
 
I'd give your heracross a flame orb as it activates the ability of Guts and I believe that Guts is better then Life Orb but don't quote me on that.
 
You have enough sweepers and I think you should let PorygonZ have a choice scarf and let him revenge kill because a few guys can use Dragon Dance and sweep away. You would only have to change Nasty Plot to something else like Dark Pulse or a Hidden Power.

Flame Orb/Life Orb is up to preference but FO does block status while giving more power. You don't really have anyone else to absorb status so Heracross could do it.

Faint Attack is inferior to Payback when you have a Sassy Nature slowing you down.
 
Pollux-Castor said:
You have enough sweepers and I think you should let PorygonZ have a choice scarf and let him revenge kill because a few guys can use Dragon Dance and sweep away. You would only have to change Nasty Plot to something else like Dark Pulse or a Hidden Power.

Flame Orb/Life Orb is up to preference but FO does block status while giving more power. You don't really have anyone else to absorb status so Heracross could do it.

Faint Attack is inferior to Payback when you have a Sassy Nature slowing you down.
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Thanks for the advice. I will change Heracross's hold to Flame Orb, and could you explain what your idea for my PorygonZ should be? I'm sort of confused, and I never really understood what the purpose of Choice Scarfs are for, so I you could explain your thinking a little more, that'd be cool.
 
You can only use one move until you switch out, but you gain 50% more speed.

Porygonz is too slow to use Nasty Plot anyway, and it has enough special attack, so a choice scarf helps patch it's lackluster speed.
 
Darkamber8828 said:
You can only use one move until you switch out, but you gain 50% more speed.

Porygonz is too slow to use Nasty Plot anyway, and it has enough special attack, so a choice scarf helps patch it's lackluster speed.
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So which move should I replace Nasty Plot with? and also which move do I attack with if I can only use one?
 
Ok, I can patch up a few areas in this team.

First, I'm quite skeptical on a lead Torterra, having never used one or seen one in practice. Theoretically, though, it looks like you've got the lower hand against many leads. What are Torterra's advantages as a lead?

Porygon-Z needs a scarf, and replace Nasty Plot with Hidden Power Fighting to hit Tyranitar hard.

Shuckle really isn't going to do much. Power Trick is a gimmick at best, considering you will have ~56 defense after using it. From here, any priority attack or any faster attack will easily OHKO shuckle, meaning you really won't be able to sweep. Bullet Punch coming from Scizor easily destroys you here. Shuckles work best on Sandstorm teams, where it can abuse it's ridiculous special defense. On normal teams, though, it's really not worth it.

Heracross looks good, just keep it's low speed in mind and you should do fine.

Mence really needs higher-powered moves. Draco Meteor is a must, as without it you lose very important 2HKO's. Fire blast is also recommended to OHKO things like Celebi and Metagross, who would do annoying things like Paralysis and Ice Punch / Explosion.

Umbreon really enjoys Payback due to it's abysmal speed.

In terms of weaknesses, I can see a pretty glaring weakness to DDMence. It can easily come in, Dance up, and outspeed pretty much everything you have. Umbreon avoids getting 2HKO'd, but it can't do anything in return.
 
DropTheNuke said:
Ok, I can patch up a few areas in this team.

First, I'm quite skeptical on a lead Torterra, having never used one or seen one in practice. Theoretically, though, it looks like you've got the lower hand against many leads. What are Torterra's advantages as a lead?

Porygon-Z needs a scarf, and replace Nasty Plot with Hidden Power Fighting to hit Tyranitar hard.

Shuckle really isn't going to do much. Power Trick is a gimmick at best, considering you will have ~56 defense after using it. From here, any priority attack or any faster attack will easily OHKO shuckle, meaning you really won't be able to sweep. Bullet Punch coming from Scizor easily destroys you here. Shuckles work best on Sandstorm teams, where it can abuse it's ridiculous special defense. On normal teams, though, it's really not worth it.

Heracross looks good, just keep it's low speed in mind and you should do fine.

Mence really needs higher-powered moves. Draco Meteor is a must, as without it you lose very important 2HKO's. Fire blast is also recommended to OHKO things like Celebi and Metagross, who would do annoying things like Paralysis and Ice Punch / Explosion.

Umbreon really enjoys Payback due to it's abysmal speed.

In terms of weaknesses, I can see a pretty glaring weakness to DDMence. It can easily come in, Dance up, and outspeed pretty much everything you have. Umbreon avoids getting 2HKO'd, but it can't do anything in return.
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Wow. thanks for the great input! :)

To answer your question about torterra, i use him as a lead because He has high-ish defences and HP, and he is also able to double as a potential Physical Tank if I need him to use Wood Hammer/EQ.

I will change Nasty Plot to HP Fighting and give Porygon a Scarf, but which one do i use?

I will take out shuckle and use an offensive snorlax/blissey instead. not sure yet one the moveset, but Im working on it.

I will put Payback onto Umbreon.

and as for Salamence, I was going to use Draco Meteor and Fire Blast, but the low PP and accuracy concerns me. do you think it will be a problem?

And how would I combat a DDMence with the changes now?
 
Atlasquake said:
I will change Nasty Plot to HP Fighting and give Porygon a Scarf, but which one do i use?
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http://www.smogon.com/dp/items/choice_scarf

Atlasquake said:
and as for Salamence, I was going to use Draco Meteor and Fire Blast, but the low PP and accuracy concerns me. do you think it will be a problem?
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Keep in mind that the specific EV spread you are currently using with Salamence was built with Draco Meteor and Fire Blast in mind. I would definitely recommend Draco Meteor at the very least, and Fire Blast is up to you. The difference in power between Draco Meteor (210 factoring STAB) and Dragon Pulse (120 with STAB) is simply too much to lose.

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And how would I combat a DDMence with the changes now?
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That is perhaps the biggest issue to overcome now. After a Dragon Dance, Mence can OHKO P-Z, Blissey, your own Mence, and Heracross easily. Even Umbreon is OHKO'd after you factor in Stealth Rock. I guess the easiest way to remedy this issue is to grab a faster revenge killer.

Porygon's speed lies well below the mark needed to outspeed Mence, and as such, you are very prone to being OHKO'd. For this, I recommend you switch P-Z with Starmie:

Starmie @ Choice Scarf
Natural Cure
Timid 252Spe / 252SpA / 4HP
~Surf / Hydro Pump
~Thunderbolt
~Ice Beam
~Rapid Spin / Recover / Grass Knot

Starmie has much more speed than Porygon-Z, allowing it to easily revenge kill +1 Salamence and Gyarados. The last slot is your own descretion. In terms of synergy, Starmie gives you a much-needed water type to resist Fire, Water, and Steel type moves.

So yeah, good luck with your team!
 
DropTheNuke said:
http://www.smogon.com/dp/items/choice_scarf



Keep in mind that the specific EV spread you are currently using with Salamence was built with Draco Meteor and Fire Blast in mind. I would definitely recommend Draco Meteor at the very least, and Fire Blast is up to you. The difference in power between Draco Meteor (210 factoring STAB) and Dragon Pulse (120 with STAB) is simply too much to lose.



That is perhaps the biggest issue to overcome now. After a Dragon Dance, Mence can OHKO P-Z, Blissey, your own Mence, and Heracross easily. Even Umbreon is OHKO'd after you factor in Stealth Rock. I guess the easiest way to remedy this issue is to grab a faster revenge killer.

Porygon's speed lies well below the mark needed to outspeed Mence, and as such, you are very prone to being OHKO'd. For this, I recommend you switch P-Z with Starmie:

Starmie @ Choice Scarf
Natural Cure
Timid 252Spe / 252SpA / 4HP
~Surf / Hydro Pump
~Thunderbolt
~Ice Beam
~Rapid Spin / Recover / Grass Knot

Starmie has much more speed than Porygon-Z, allowing it to easily revenge kill +1 Salamence and Gyarados. The last slot is your own descretion. In terms of synergy, Starmie gives you a much-needed water type to resist Fire, Water, and Steel type moves.

So yeah, good luck with your team!
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Thank you VERY much. You have been a great help. So I'm gonna dive Mence the Draco Meteor, but I still am wary of the PP/Accuracy, so I decided to keep Flamethrower, because if I go against a strong grass type, I can always switch to my BoltBeamer. And I will try out the Starmie for a while, and see what happens with that. Thanks soooooooooooooooooooooo much. :)
 
Team low-pay jobs: Half of us are sweepers

I don't know if anyone will get offended by this though, so if you like it, go ahead, if you think it might be offensive, delete this post and....don't use it I guess
 
Just as a note, aromatherapy and wish are illegal on the same set for Blissey, although you can use heal bell and get the same effect.

Also, is there any point to having both wish and softboiled?
 
Ugh.... I don't really like seeing Swords Dance and Flame Orb all on Heracross. Sure, he's getting power in spades, but anything faster than him (and there are quite a few things that are) is gonna take him out easy due to Heracross' mediocre speed (which is the whole reason that people run Heracross with Scarf). I highly, highly recommend reconsidering your opinion on ScarfCross and switch it to that.

On Torterra, be aware that EQ + Wood Hammer gets you relatively weak coverage (anything that flies or levitates or is Grass-type walls it), and Stone Edge + EQ is probably better unless you want to beat those Swampert leads, in which case Seed Bomb is a safer choice to still nab that OHKO.

On Starmie... err, yeah, I do see those everyday. :0 ...well maybe not EVERY day, but they ARE quite common.
 
Wish to heal myself if i have less than 20% (the minimum needed to use Softboiled.)

And why is AromaWish illegal? ive never heard that

Banryu said:
Ugh.... I don't really like seeing Swords Dance and Flame Orb all on Heracross. Sure, he's getting power in spades, but anything faster than him (and there are quite a few things that are) is gonna take him out easy due to Heracross' mediocre speed (which is the whole reason that people run Heracross with Scarf). I highly, highly recommend reconsidering your opinion on ScarfCross and switch it to that.

On Torterra, be aware that EQ + Wood Hammer gets you relatively weak coverage (anything that flies or levitates or is Grass-type walls it), and Stone Edge + EQ is probably better unless you want to beat those Swampert leads, in which case Seed Bomb is a safer choice to still nab that OHKO.

On Starmie... err, yeah, I do see those everyday. :0 ...well maybe not EVERY day, but they ARE quite common.
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Why would i run a ScarfCross? think about it:
turn 1: Swords Dance (scarf activates)
turn 2: switch out to allow attacking moves (lose attack bonus)
etc. etc. etc.

unless I change Dance to something else, but i have NO idea of what to make it. and good idea about the seed bomb.

Lol @ triple post, but Torterra's CRAP speed is really killing me in SHoddy right now... Im almost considering trading it for something else, but I dont want something that could be too expected/OU. any ideas?
 
Atlasquake said:
Why would i run a ScarfCross?
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Um, well there's this...
Banryu said:
Sure, he's getting power in spades, but anything faster than him (and there are quite a few things that are) is gonna take him out easy due to Heracross' mediocre speed (which is the whole reason that people run Heracross with Scarf).
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Atlasquake said:
think about it:
turn 1: Swords Dance (scarf activates)
turn 2: switch out to allow attacking moves (lose attack bonus)
etc. etc. etc.
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This... makes no sense. I don't know what you mean at all by 'scarf activates', and losing the SD bonus by switching seems like all the more reason to use a different set.

Atlasquake said:
unless I change Dance to something else, but i have NO idea of what to make it. and good idea about the seed bomb.
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Well, you could use Flame Orb with 4 attacking moves (the fourth being Night Slash or Pursuit), or you could go for a Sub-Salac Swords Dance set with only Close Combat and Stone Edge, so that way you get boosts in Speed AND Attack. In my opinion, though, just using ScarfCross and switching him in on Rotom's Will-O-Wisp or something to get the power boost is a superior option. :\

As for Torterra....? Hmm. Well I assume you need something that can set up SR, and I don't know if you want to keep the Grass-type thing here. Swampert seems like the most obvious choice for the job, being a great bulky lead, but you wanted something less popular/standard....? Hmm... Well you could try this if your team doesn't mind Sandstorm too much:

Tyranitar @ Lum Berry
Brave Nature
252 HP / 32 Atk / 28 Def / 144 SpAtk / 52 SpDef
- Stealth Rock
- Payback
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
Different version of LeadTar designed to handle a bunch of the common OU leads.
 
Maybe i'll just swap out heracross. My goal with this team is to have a (somewhat) decent speed advantage on some/most pokemon, so any ideas for a different Physical Sweeper?
 
AromaWish is illegal because Wish can only be acquired on blissey from a Wish event, and aromatherapy can only be acquired by breeding. Heal bell, on the other hand, can be taught by move tutor in HGSS, which makes Wish+Heal bell legal.

Also, you are wrong about Softboiled - you are thinking of the Overworld effect, which cuts 20% of blissey's health and gives it to a teammate. In battle, however, softboiled does not heal your teammates, and only heals the user for 50%. The primary method blissey uses to heal teammates is to use wish, then switch out for the pokemon to be healed. You probably want either a status move (toxic or twave) or protect instead of softboiled. The former lets you cripple the opposing team, while the latter lets you reliably heal yourself with wish.

You don't want to use tyranitar for a lead - three pokemon weak to fighting is something you really do not want. You could perhaps use a bronzong, which, you can use in different ways - it can set up SR and trick room - although trick room hurts salamence and starmie with the high speeds, you wouldn't need to scarf the heracross (and it might even be beneficial to lower its speed).
 
Well what about a Metagross as your lead over Torrterra, or if you don't like the lack of speed you could run an AgiliGross over Heracross.

The best physical sweepers though are Infernape (mixed) and Gyarados (DD) (I left out Lucario and T-tar as they both give too many fighting weakness's or Fire Weakness's on this team.)
A Sub+DD Kingdra could also work well
 
So I changed AromaWish to HealWish and I am gonna trade out softboiled for Toxic.
I am swapping Heracross for either:

Regirock @Leftovers
252 Atk 200 HP 58 Spe
Adamant
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

-OR-

Gyarados @Life Orb
252 Atk 252 Spe 4 HP
Adamant
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang

Any thoughts on this? ^


And for my lead, I am going to use metagross with the following moves:

Metagross @Choice Scarf
252 Atk 252 Spe 4 SpD
Jolly
-Trick
-Meteor Mash
-Stealth Rock
-Pursuit

Help on this one too would be awesome. thanks
 
Actually a Lum Berry Metagross with Meteor Mash, Eathquake, Bullet Punch, Stealth Rock works better than your current Metagross set as it can beat a wider range of leads such as Machamp, Aerdactyl, Roserade.

I like the DD Gyarados set better mainly as it hurts way more things than that Regirock and because it resists fighting which Regirock does not do. With the introduction on Gyardos however I see that Umbreon has less of a use on your team. Perhapes it could be switched out for a Rotom to take care of Physical threats via Will-o-wisp?
 
Atlasquake said:
So I changed AromaWish to HealWish and I am gonna trade out softboiled for Toxic.
I am swapping Heracross for either:

Gyarados @Life Orb
156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spe
Adamant
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Taunt
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Do what GingaNinja said about your current Lead Metagross (I ran Ice Punch on mine in place of Mash to beat Gliscor and stuff, you can try that if you like) and run this set instead. Best. Gyarados. Ever. <3 It's less of a late-game sweeper than an early-game threatener, but if your opponent fails to stop you from getting set up, then you've got a sweep on your hands. :D

Oh also, I'd suggest Draco Meteor on Salamence. I know you're probably not hugely thrilled about that because of the Sp. Atk drop, but it's often worth it. x3
 
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