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Eh, personally the mons I like usually end up being being a coalition of numerous things. After all, my favorites list has many reasons, ranging between:
"I use this guy in competitive and has saved my butt many times!"
"I used this guy in a playthrough and came pretty clutch!"
"I like this fella's role in the game's story!" "I like this one's design! They're cute/badass!"
Or simply
"I just think they're neat!"

Not all of my favorites qualify to all those categories at the same, but I don't think it matters much. Variety is the spice of life after all! And personally, I just find having a single universal criteria to find favorites kind of boring. That's just my opinion though.
 
pokemon's stats are more important than looks but both matter to an extent

function over forme

but there are now six tiers by usage under ubers, not just five.
 
Ironmage said:
Tangentially, what is with the idea of UU indicating low strength? This could be me mostly being a Monotype player, where normally-Untiered stuff has a tendency to be vitally important, but UU is still above a lot of other mons. It's effectively B tier. Shouldn't the perception of "bad" be lower down?
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Well, I was a fair bit younger then. So it was as simple to me as "OU=strong" and "UU=weak". With NU being... "unspeakably terrible".
 
I hate to be a downer but I don't think Flygon was ever actually that good. Decent, but generalized stats and a lack of boosting options hold it back despite a good typing, ability, and movepool. It was reasonable in Gen 3 because of the lower general strength, and in Gen 4 because all of the good Dragons got banned. :mehowth:

Some of those Pokémon falling off are pretty interesting, in particular Staraptor, which was in UUBL purgatory for like four generations.

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CPU said:
I hate to be a downer but I don't think Flygon was ever actually that good. Decent, but generalized stats and a lack of boosting options hold it back despite a good typing, ability, and movepool. It was reasonable in Gen 3 because of the lower general strength, and in Gen 4 because all of the good Dragons got banned. :mehowth:

Some of those Pokémon falling off are pretty interesting, in particular Staraptor, which was in UUBL purgatory for like four generations.

(Edited for terminology/more correct info)
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Also I believe Flygon was basically tailormade for Gen 3's Meta (absolutely ignores all the passive damage spam in a pre-Rocks era, which gives insane Longevity). New mechanics were just really hostile to the mon's initial debut strengths (much like the Phys/Spe split really didn't play nice with Gen 3's glut of "Mixed Attacker" distributions).

Flygon is a favorite of mine and I feel like it could still find things to do if they just updated its kit. As is its options sort of have a "pick your role" glue idea but everything you can pick is missing a puzzle piece.
 
pika pal said:
Flygon is a favorite of mine and I feel like it could still find things to do if they just updated its kit. As is its options sort of have a "pick your role" glue idea but everything you can pick is missing a puzzle piece.
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For starters it needs Roost back. Spikes and Swords Dance are reasonable additions that would help it a lot but in most respects it would still be a worse Gliscor. I'm not sure anything short of, like, Thousand Arrows can save Flygon now.
 
Dusk Mage Necrozma said:
For starters it needs Roost back. Spikes and Swords Dance are reasonable additions that would help it a lot but in most respects it would still be a worse Gliscor. I'm not sure anything short of, like, Thousand Arrows can save Flygon now.
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The support set wants Defog and Roost back, basically. Spikes wouldn't fit the design TBH, but Recovery+Hazard Removal+Rocks+U-Turn+Levitate is god-tier.
The offensive sets...I mean, it already has Dragon Dance, STAB Ground/Dragon coverage, barely enough SAtk/moves to go mixed, Scale Shot, U-Turn...outside of steel or poison coverage, I don't think it's exactly lacking offensive options.

The real problem is just BST. 100 Atk/100 Spe doesn't cut it these days, and a 4x weakness to Ice is asking for trouble no matter the bulk. Power creep gotta power creep.
 
sorry if I'm killing more interesting topics with this, my new job doesn't even give me enough free time to post my ramblings here so I have random notes written down but I don't want to fill every tread so I will try to space my posts out a bit

Flamigo is awesome. I know it gives a very bad first impression but I find its design to be a cool subtle way of combining both a boxing glove and a plastic flamigo, it has the funniest name and I can't appreciate it enough for being a flamigo in the Spain region that is not just dancing flamenco. Sorry 90% of fakemon designers, that idea is not claver or unique at all and it isn't the awesome wordplay you think it is. Oricorio and Flamigo are both way better than that.

It also should be pointed out how its sermingly plan, basic design fits Larry so damn well
 
DrrT said:
It also should be pointed out how its sermingly plan, basic design fits Larry so damn well
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Its plainness combined with Larry being just a guy is funny for sure, but this reminds me of a funny moment in the anime:


And Larry's Flamigo and Oricorio

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Blank stare of two basic ass design birds...just no reaction to the explosion. Flamigo is just standing there looking with no emotion on its face as it's about to be blown to bits. They fucking accepted their fate LMAO. Just like Larry who gives no emotion to anything.

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And then Flamigo fell down and fainted anyway LMAO. Same with Oricorio.

Flamigo's basic design shined in this one moment when it was combined with it and Oricorio giving the most non-emotional reaction to imminent death imaginable. No shock, fear, or anything. Just a basic blank stare. "Well this sure is a way to go down". Just like Larry and how little he reacts to things.
 
Gen 5 Pokémon fans have ruined Gen 5 for me.
I LOVED Unova, and B2W2 is my second favorite Pokémon game aside from USUM, but the fans have killed my love for the region.
More specifically, the MFs who say that anything after Gen 5 is shit. Like, how TF can you say that the games after Gen 5 sucked when Gen 7 is right there?! Always thought Gen 7 was peak ever since I was 9 when the games came out.
Y'all are just acting like Genwunners. I remember seeing a Gen 5 fan call someone the r-slur (and a kid that hasn't played "real Pokémon") for liking Gen 7. That's how Genwunners treated Gen 5 fans, BUT WORSE. And they have NO self awareness.
Anything from Pokémon that has something barely Gen 5 related has their comments FILLED with Gen 5 glazers.
Like stfu BW isn't underrated anymore.
If anything, it's overrated, and even then that's an understatement
 
LPBvgc said:
Gen 5 Pokémon fans have ruined Gen 5 for me.
I LOVED Unova, and B2W2 is my second favorite Pokémon game aside from USUM, but the fans have killed my love for the region.
More specifically, the MFs who say that anything after Gen 5 is shit. Like, how TF can you say that the games after Gen 5 sucked when Gen 7 is right there?! Always thought Gen 7 was peak ever since I was 9 when the games came out.
Y'all are just acting like Genwunners. I remember seeing a Gen 5 fan call someone the r-slur (and a kid that hasn't played "real Pokémon") for liking Gen 7. That's how Genwunners treated Gen 5 fans, BUT WORSE. And they have NO self awareness.
Anything from Pokémon that has something barely Gen 5 related has their comments FILLED with Gen 5 glazers.
Like stfu BW isn't underrated anymore.
If anything, it's overrated, and even then that's an understatement
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This isn't a unique phenomenon. The same thing happens with gen 4. Gen 5 has the worst of it right now (especially since it's the last 2d games, which gives easy ammunition to bash newer games with) but I expect we'll soon see a huge wave of gen 6 absolutists (probably off the back of Mega Evolution being so beloved)
 
LPBvgc said:
Like, how TF can you say that the games after Gen 5 sucked when Gen 7 is right there?!
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Have you tried replaying a Gen 7 game? Lack of cutscene skipping kills them after the first playthrough magic wears off. Alola loves to murder its pacing and waste your time with frequent cutscenes that contain fancy camera angles slowing down textbox mashing.
 
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Karxrida said:
Have you tried replaying a Gen 7 game? Lack of cutscene skipping kills them after the first playthrough magic wears off. Alola loves to kill its pacing and waste your time with frequent cutscenes that contain fancy camera angles slowing down textbox mashing.
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I did in 2021 and tbh, the dialogue and pacing really wasn't an issue for me (except at the beginning)
 
Heatranator said:
And now to piss off everybody because I think SV are some of the better pokemon games :D
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I always love to answer to anyone who asks me to tell me my favourite / make a tier list of pokemon game something on the lines of:
"Last game released is S, everything else is bad and outdated"

Simply cause honestly, QoL > nostalgia. Sure I had fun playing RBY as a kid. I think i'd rather eat glue than play those games now with the slog and poorly aged design choices. (This applies to pretty much every pokemon game. If you are looking for good gameplay or anything remotely challenging, play something else, because Pokemon games aint it)

No, seriously, I am not sure how *anyone* can remotely enjoy the jank of older pokemon games (yes, including the 3ds era) without justifying it as nostalgia effect. Even the modern ones, as much as I love SV, playing through Scarlet to get Gouging Fire and Raging Bolt for my Violet pokedex was an absolute slog since without the novelty factor, it's just a big "unga bunga supereffective go brrr" while mashing through unvoiced cutscenes.
 
As someone who hangs around in the postgame a lot, I don't end up thinking of QoL as always increasing for later games. Removing infinite TMs is a dev intended example of a drop, but I'd also put Emerald pretty far above its peers because of it having an easy item duplication glitch.
 
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