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Vegetarianism

War is always going to occur.
Nothing is going to stop these people in Iraq/Israel/Darfur/insert war zone of choice from killing people.

Does this mean we shouldn't try to stop war?
 
the way I saw it is that if I didn't eat the animal, its carcass would go to waste anyways. me not eating meat wouldn't stop animals from dying or being mistreated/whatever, so I may as well enjoy it!
 
theres 2 debates here, the nutritional and the ethical.

I'm not really qualified to comment on the nutritional aspect and as much as i hate to say it ambitions seems to have everyone licked.

as far as the ethical, i dont really see a problem with the act eating meat itself, but the way we do it in the modern age (slauhterhouses, large scare milk production, hormonal injections etc) seems to emphasize profit over sustainability, which is always wrong.
 
which is exactly why I eat happy meat - I do my very best (unless I'm at a friends or the like and I'd go hungry otherwise) to eat organic meat that was bred locally.

obviously not everyone's in my situation but I get extremely severe anaemia - I need all the iron I can get - this includes tablets, spinach, beans AND red meat. it's nutritional!

and tasty too
 
The difference between swatting flies and slaughtering livestock is purely subjective, so I don't have any moral objection to eating meat.
 
the killing act alone sure, but the scale and consequences of industrial agriculture are anything but trivial.
 
I eat meat but if you don't I'm cool with it. I had a series of girlfriends in high-school who were vegan, one of them even a member of PETA. So long as she didn't ask me to attend rallies or give up meat I was fine with it.

There's a heinous double standard when it comes to both sides of this debate. Either side believes, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are on the just side and neither side can convince the other of anything. It becomes almost as redundant as the religious debate, either side starts spouting baseless claims and posturing their moral superiority until it become more of a battle of who can come up with the silliest semantics to support whatever outrageous theory they've just come up with.

If it was just the nutrition aspect, I don't think there would be any basis for debate. Drugs, alcohol, and tobacco are proven to be nutritionally deprimental and that hasn't stopped those particular industries from continuing on strong. It's when we come down to who's in the clear morally that we are at odds. The problem being, of course, that morality is not objective. It's all a matter of perception and it's very hard to alter anyone else's perceptions nye impossible. What has to happen is that we have to come to a mutual indifference which is hard for the human psyche to comprehend it being so inclined to conform others into a similar way of thinking to its own.
 
the Lexx said:
the way I saw it is that if I didn't eat the animal, its carcass would go to waste anyways. me not eating meat wouldn't stop animals from dying or being mistreated/whatever, so I may as well enjoy it!
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As far as I know many animals are being raised for slaughter. Sure, for an individual vegeterian like me they won't reduce that amount at all, and they will die sooner or later anyway.
 
Mekkah said:
As far as I know many animals are being raised for slaughter. Sure, for an individual vegeterian like me they won't reduce that amount at all, and they will die sooner or later anyway.
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well the point is that they're going to kill the animal anyway, and sell the meat in a store. if it doesn't get bought it will just be thrown out, which is even worse as it's a total loss.

you could make the point of "well if nobody buys meat they'll stop selling it" but is that really going to happen?
 
It becomes almost as redundant as the religious debate, either side starts spouting baseless claims and posturing their moral superiority until it become more of a battle of who can come up with the silliest semantics to support whatever outrageous theory they've just come up with.
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You are totally right, it is just like a religious debate. One side if blinded by ignorance and is totally wrong, and the other side is just totally right.
 
does anyone else read threads like this and imagine what a place the world would be if deck knight used his vast intellect for the good of the world
 
This thread got exceptionally retarded when people started making the false assumption that all vegetarians are into animal rights.

Then this whole thread somehow became a sustainability and global warming debate where Deck Knight started going LOL NOT CREDIBLE SOURCE to anything he didn't agree with.
 
The debate over whether one should be vegetarian/vegan is the debate on whether or not you think we are headed in a sustainable direction.

The meat industry produces more CO2 than any other and is the number one cause for deforestation. It cripples the lungs of our earth. It uses 2/3rds of our worlds fresh water supply.

After going out and doing research on my own, getting numbers and proven facts from both sides of the spectrum, I do not understand why any rational educated human being would not accept a vegetarian or vegan diet.
 
One thing I am curious about, that a brief internet search hasnt helped me with, is where the b12 in fortified soy milk comes from. I always had assumed it was sourced from animals or animal products.

Have a nice day.
 
is it synthesized in those sorts of amounts? Cause, that seems to me like a lot of b12 synthesis.

Have a nice day.
 
Ambitions said:
After going out and doing research on my own, getting numbers and proven facts from both sides of the spectrum, I do not understand why any rational educated human being would not accept a vegetarian or vegan diet.
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Because meat tastes good? I'd never go total vegetarian but I used to eat meat every day and now I eat it like 3-4 times a week.
 
CyclopeanScape said:
I eat meat but if you don't I'm cool with it. I had a series of girlfriends in high-school who were vegan, one of them even a member of PETA. So long as she didn't ask me to attend rallies or give up meat I was fine with it.

There's a heinous double standard when it comes to both sides of this debate. Either side believes, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are on the just side and neither side can convince the other of anything. It becomes almost as redundant as the religious debate, either side starts spouting baseless claims and posturing their moral superiority until it become more of a battle of who can come up with the silliest semantics to support whatever outrageous theory they've just come up with.

If it was just the nutrition aspect, I don't think there would be any basis for debate. Drugs, alcohol, and tobacco are proven to be nutritionally deprimental and that hasn't stopped those particular industries from continuing on strong. It's when we come down to who's in the clear morally that we are at odds. The problem being, of course, that morality is not objective. It's all a matter of perception and it's very hard to alter anyone else's perceptions nye impossible. What has to happen is that we have to come to a mutual indifference which is hard for the human psyche to comprehend it being so inclined to conform others into a similar way of thinking to its own.
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I agree with every word of this. It's one of a handful of stupid timeless arguments that aren't solvable in any way. Still, I have my own opinions about it.
I also agree with Hariyama in response to Ambitions. I LOVE the taste of meat, thus I eat meat daily. I can't imagine a living without meat. I have just as much a right to eat meat as a person has a right to drive a car with poor mileage.
Note about hunting: Where I come from (Michigan), if Deer aren't hunted, they literally starve to death because there are too many of them. Most hunters around here DO eat the deer they kill, but even the ones that don't shouldn't feel bad about it.
 
Hipmonlee said:
Yeah ok it is fermented.

Have a nice day.
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Biotechnology is big business. A lot of mass production of specific enzymes comes from huge fermentors containing lots and lots of bacteria (mostly stuff like E. coli of which we know the genetic code) genetically engineered to make that enzyme.
 
well the point is that they're going to kill the animal anyway, and sell the meat in a store. if it doesn't get bought it will just be thrown out, which is even worse as it's a total loss.

you could make the point of "well if nobody buys meat they'll stop selling it" but is that really going to happen?
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That's why I said that one individual or a handful of them is not going to make a difference in this. But I still don't like the idea of animal mistreatment/slaughter, so in order for that to be non-hypocritical I would have to be a vegetarian myself (or else I'd basically be telling other people not to eat meat while doing it myself).

That said, I'm also not going to convince anyone to give up meat or anything.

There's a heinous double standard when it comes to both sides of this debate. Either side believes, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are on the just side and neither side can convince the other of anything.
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I guess I am not on either side then.
 
Yeah, I am not sure which side I am on either..

I actually work in the biotech industry. But I guess, living in NZ, the biotech industry here is so meat/milk oriented I probably get a one-sided view of things.

Have a nice day.
 
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