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I don't see the Battle Stadium Doubles stats on this month...usage stats. Is it VGC2020 only now? Because I remember both being at the same time, tho I never understood what was really the difference.
 

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I don't see the Battle Stadium Doubles stats on this month...usage stats. Is it VGC2020 only now? Because I remember both being at the same time, tho I never understood what was really the difference.
Yes, BSD is the same thing as VGC at the moment. They might be different in a future format.
 

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Just use smogon.com/stats/ or Pikalytics in the meantime for spreads/sets and clarify anything in the VGC room on PS! in the meantime tbh.
 

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When will VGC analyses begin?
I believe the official stance is to not bother for this year. There was some ongoing discussion about setting up some really fast sets we could upload to the site, which would just list what an EV spread does, why you'd use a certain unusual move, or what would partner well with it, since VGC is a format that changes incredibly quickly... but then all the irl tournaments got cancelled.
 
What is the most common counter to Excadrill + Tyranitar leads? I want to specialize one Pokemon for this combination.
 

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What is the most common counter to Excadrill + Tyranitar leads? I want to specialize one Pokemon for this combination.
conkeldurr, corviknight, ferrothorn are probably the most popular, plus trick room stops their speed advantage. Intimidate and will-o-wisp are also useful tools to have. Hitmontop is good but hard to fit on teams otherwise.
 
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conkeldurr, corviknight, ferrothorn are probably the most popular, plus trick room stops their speed advantage. Intimidate and will-o-wisp are also useful tools to have. Hitmontop is good but hard to fit on teams otherwise.
Thanks, I tried Magic Room+Fighting Type, but didn't think of Conkeldurr/Hitmontop lol. Hitmontop was one of my favs in Gen 5 for double battles, time for his glorious return.
 
According to Bulbapedia, damage is 0,5x when Screens are up, but in Doubles, it's 0,75x (or at least, when 2 Pokémon are out on the side of the field that has the Screens). Is this correct? How do you know that it is/isn't?
 

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According to Bulbapedia, damage is 0,5x when Screens are up, but in Doubles, it's 0,75x (or at least, when 2 Pokémon are out on the side of the field that has the Screens). Is this correct? How do you know that it is/isn't?
Spread move damage is the one that is reduced to 0.75x. Screens in doubles lower damage to 0.67x. There have been extensive research done on the cart games to fully understand game mechanics
 
Spread move damage is the one that is reduced to 0.75x. Screens in doubles lower damage to 0.67x. There have been extensive research done on the cart games to fully understand game mechanics
Oké, thanks! But like...if there's only one Pokémon out on the side of the field with Screens, is damage 0,67x or 0,5? Basically, is the Doubles "reduction in damage reduction", if you will, always in effect...or only in effect when there are two Pokémon on the side of the field where the Screens are?
 

Pyritie

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Oké, thanks! But like...if there's only one Pokémon out on the side of the field with Screens, is damage 0,67x or 0,5? Basically, is the Doubles "reduction in damage reduction", if you will, always in effect...or only in effect when there are two Pokémon on the side of the field where the Screens are?
In the case you described, the 0.75x spread move reduction will not happen (so a single-target spread move will be at full power) but the screens will still only be at 0.67x.
 
In the case you described, the 0.75x spread move reduction will not happen (so a single-target spread move will be at full power) but the screens will still only be at 0.67x.
Hold on, are you sure this is correct? I'm not a doubles player, so I can't test this or confirm this from personal experience or anything so please do say so if you're sure and I'm mistaken, but on looking it up, I've found that it applies "if multiple Pokémon are present on the user's side of the field" and "[Reflect and Light Screen work] in doubles too, but in the case of having two Pokémon out it will only take 33% of the damage off." It looks like it really does depend on the number of Pokémon on the field and isn't fixed to the 2/3 the whole time.
That said, its Smogon entry does just say "in a double battle," and Serebii doesn't mention it at all - and to be honest, my source being Bulbapedia and one podcast I've never followed before... doesn't lend me a ton of confidence in it. If you have any reason to believe otherwise, you're probably right! I just want to clarify whether this is based on testing or experience or if you're just making a guess based on Smogon's wording or extrapolating from other effects' precedents without actually knowing this specific case.
 
In the case you described, the 0.75x spread move reduction will not happen (so a single-target spread move will be at full power) but the screens will still only be at 0.67x.
So it will be at 0,67x damage no matter how many available targets there are? I'm not sure if it's necessary to clarify (and if so, I think it's because I didn't explain what I meant clearly), but I wanted to say as an example: I have a Clefable and my opponent has a Whimsicott. This is a Doubles battle, but we're both down to 1 Pokémon. They have Light Screen up. Will the damage from Moonblast be 0,5x or 0,66x? The answer that I think I'm reading from you is that it will still be 0,67x (I presume because this is a blanket scaling of Screens in Doubles). Does this all match up?
 

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So it will be at 0,67x damage no matter how many available targets there are? I'm not sure if it's necessary to clarify (and if so, I think it's because I didn't explain what I meant clearly), but I wanted to say as an example: I have a Clefable and my opponent has a Whimsicott. This is a Doubles battle, but we're both down to 1 Pokémon. They have Light Screen up. Will the damage from Moonblast be 0,5x or 0,66x? The answer that I think I'm reading from you is that it will still be 0,67x (I presume because this is a blanket scaling of Screens in Doubles). Does this all match up?
That is correct

Hold on, are you sure this is correct? I'm not a doubles player, so I can't test this or confirm this from personal experience or anything so please do say so if you're sure and I'm mistaken, but on looking it up, I've found that it applies "if multiple Pokémon are present on the user's side of the field" and "[Reflect and Light Screen work] in doubles too, but in the case of having two Pokémon out it will only take 33% of the damage off." It looks like it really does depend on the number of Pokémon on the field and isn't fixed to the 2/3 the whole time.
That said, its Smogon entry does just say "in a double battle," and Serebii doesn't mention it at all - and to be honest, my source being Bulbapedia and one podcast I've never followed before... doesn't lend me a ton of confidence in it. If you have any reason to believe otherwise, you're probably right! I just want to clarify whether this is based on testing or experience or if you're just making a guess based on Smogon's wording or extrapolating from other effects' precedents without actually knowing this specific case.
This is going from my memory and personal experience using gmax lapras for a while, but I also know that my memory isn't the most reliable. If you want to be 100% sure of mechanics, test them on cart yourself! It'd be useful to have it completely confirmed
 

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