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also mienshao has fake out
I don’t know when speed tiers are going to be up unfortunately. Though I believe if you post am checks on analyses, that could certainly make you a good candidate for VGC council.
Actually starting to get into AM checks right now. Thanks for the info!
What's the deal with Landorus-I?
I'm seeing a noticeable drop in usage for Landorus-I yet I'm hearing it's solid in the meta but like this thing's usage managed to peak 38.01% usage in the São Paulo tornament for reg f, but only made a 7.61% usage in NAIC (Source: Labmaus). Not to mention it's fall from a 19.20% usage in reg f ladder to 8.10% in reg g ladder (BO3 source: Pikalytics because Munchstats doesn't have reg f stats)
It's not like the introduction of the restricteds Caly-I/Kyogres is the sole reason for Landorus-I usage to drop. It pairs well in rain teams for accurate sandsear storms and the ground type is just an overall amazing offensive type against Miradons, Incineroars, Raging Bolts and Zamas.
Also, why is there a rise in choice scarf sets? Is it because having a base 101 speed in this format is relatively slow against the 135 ones?
I'm seeing a noticeable drop in usage for Landorus-I yet I'm hearing it's solid in the meta but like this thing's usage managed to peak 38.01% usage in the São Paulo tornament for reg f, but only made a 7.61% usage in NAIC (Source: Labmaus). Not to mention it's fall from a 19.20% usage in reg f ladder to 8.10% in reg g ladder (BO3 source: Pikalytics because Munchstats doesn't have reg f stats)
It's not like the introduction of the restricteds Caly-I/Kyogres is the sole reason for Landorus-I usage to drop. It pairs well in rain teams for accurate sandsear storms and the ground type is just an overall amazing offensive type against Miradons, Incineroars, Raging Bolts and Zamas.
Also, why is there a rise in choice scarf sets? Is it because having a base 101 speed in this format is relatively slow against the 135 ones?
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Restricteds are a massive factor.
Landorus in Regulation F specialised in breaking common balance cores (Incineroar, Raging Bolt, Rillaboom, Earth Power + Sludge Bomb was difficult to handle defensively, and it could Substitute on Amoonguss.). Now that every team has a 680 BST nuke, Landorus lost a lot of what makes it unique, you don't need it to break when you have Calyrex-Ice or Miraidon to do it themselves.
Landorus also has a relatively poor restricted match up, other than being a Ground type for Miraidon, and Zamazenta it gets nuked by Calyrex-Ice, Kyogre, and Koraidon. CM Terapagos and Calyrex-S make it incredibly manageable, while threatening it after a single boost. You have very little reason to use Landorus.
Gets to my next point, no restricted finds enough value in Landorus other than Kyogre and occasionally Miraidon. Landorus itself doesn't offer enough to stand out and can't properly support its restricted usually. Scarf sets have locked up specifically to handle Miraidon very effectively for Kyogre teams.
Not much to add on from what Luna said, but here's my input.
- As mentioned above, Landorus
excelled at beating the meta core in Regulation F. It can't really do that now with these teams coming packed with CIR
and CSR
, as well as other powerful restricteds pretty much all being able to OHKO it. It also sometimes just doesn't hit hard enough in this new, more powerful and bulky format.- Landorus
really can only beat Miraidon
, but only if you have the speed advantage since you get OHKOed via Draco Meteor. Zamazenta-C
is the only other good matchup, yet these teams normally pack Pokemon such as Chien-Pao
and Urshifu-R
which can swiftly KO Landorus.- As mentioned before, a speed advantage is necessary to beat Miraidon
. That's where Choice Scarf comes in. Specifically next to Kyogre
, Choice Scarf Landoruscan spam Sandsear Storm. Not to mention, this Pokemon out speeds common Choice Scarf users like the Urshifu
formes and Chi-Yu
. Still a good Pokemon, just you don't have as many reasons to use it.
Played for a bit in regulation F and I really loved my core of Registeel and Cresselia. I loved using Cresselia's heals while Registeel set up. With the current regulation, how does one go about updating this team? Alternatively, what sort of cores would have a similar playstyle of defense + heals?
This is my first time playing VGC or any sort of pokemon pvp.
Ogerpon @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
- Ivy Cudgel
- Follow Me
- Horn Leech
- Spiky Shield
Cresselia @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Fairy
- Moonblast
- Icy Wind
- Lunar Blessing
- Trick Room
Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Ghost
- Fake Out
- Parting Shot
- Flare Blitz
- Knock Off
Raging-Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Bug
- Volt Switch
- Draco Meteor
- Snarl
- Thunderclap
Registeel @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Fairy
- Heavy Slam
- Iron Defense
- Body Press
- Protect
Flutter-Mane @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
- Protect
- Dazzling Gleam
- Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
This is my first time playing VGC or any sort of pokemon pvp.
Ogerpon @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
- Ivy Cudgel
- Follow Me
- Horn Leech
- Spiky Shield
Cresselia @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Fairy
- Moonblast
- Icy Wind
- Lunar Blessing
- Trick Room
Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Ghost
- Fake Out
- Parting Shot
- Flare Blitz
- Knock Off
Raging-Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Bug
- Volt Switch
- Draco Meteor
- Snarl
- Thunderclap
Registeel @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Fairy
- Heavy Slam
- Iron Defense
- Body Press
- Protect
Flutter-Mane @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
- Protect
- Dazzling Gleam
- Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
well it's pretty tough to find a 1:1 replacement with five of these six pokemon being banned, but something that plays at somewhat of a similar approach might be something like this: https://pokepast.es/6d785d1ff30d7f15
Thank you for the recommendation! Yea so it took me a while to find a team or playstyle that I liked. Since I'm so new to the pvp aspect of pokemon. I hit masters and then stopped for a bit. But yea my teambuilding skills are non-existent tbh.
I actually like the team you listed above, but are there any replacements you could recommend for Flamigo?
Also I usually saw leftovers on gholdengo. Is the metal coat there because it's a more offensive build?
some things you could try in place of it are iron defense kommo-o, assault vest tyranitar, or throat spray/sitrus berry primarina. the flamigo slot has been a lot of different things but the other 5 have been a common archetype in the past few weeks. I put metal coat on this gholdengo because of the support it can get from pollen puff amoonguss, but leftovers would also be a solid choice. you can consider tera dragon as well for a better defensive profile.
Is psyspam washed?
Not really, it's just hard to pilot with all the rillabooms running around.