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Well this thread assumes rocks aren't up (I think) and Magmortar still OHKO'es so does it matter that much? (Now watch this be a joke that just completely sailed over my head.) Also, the bird landing two Hurricanes is just as likely as getting 2 Focus Misses to hit in a row, which just doesn't happen.

Im not sure either I guess there would be too many situational checks but Im just trying to defend my boy Cuno. Im surprised people dont call it HurriMiss haha
 
Not to mention I have brought up Bronzor before and that was okay back then as well...
I mean I'm willing to make exceptions here and there because some of the unranked mons have defined and recognizable niches, like in the case of Bronzor or Munchlax, but Bastiodon is simply just bad in almost every way. I'll admit that just limiting to whats on the viability rankings may be somewhat restrictive and maybe it was too much of a blanket statement, but just use your good judgement. There are quite a few other good Pokemon that haven't been picked and it certainly wasn't necessary to dig to the bottom of the barrel for something as unused and mediocre as Bastiodon.
 
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Regirock @ Chople Berry / Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rock Slide
- Drain Punch
- Thunder Wave / Sleep Talk
- Stealth Rock / Rest​
THE HARDEST COUNTER.
252 SpA Life Orb Articuno Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Regirock: 110-133 (30.2 - 36.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Regirock Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Articuno: 328-388 (102.1 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Slurp. Esp. considering shit players don't even run Ice Beam it makes this an even harder check. Unless you are RestTalk don't even think about not running Chople or else Regirock is barely a check to shitmons like Magmortar and will get barreled by Sawk and Zangoose before it can get out a TWave. That said RestTalk tank is better anyways, and definitely destroys Articuno given it can easily avoid 3hko w lefties and drain punch.
 
Reserving Golem
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Golem as a check
Now this, this here is Golem, renowned in the competitive world as a decent suicide lead with Custap Berry or Weakness Policy. This variant of Golem is used to switch into Articuno, live a Ice Beam or Freeze Dry with Sturdy, and use the Custap Berry to Rock Blast it into smithereens! Now, if Cuno decides to Hurricane you, that's a different issue, but I really could not find another check or counter that was on the Viability Rankings, so here you go! XD

Golem @ Custap Berry
Ability: Sturdy
EVS: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Rock Blast
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Stealth Rock
 
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Vibrava @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Defog
- U-turn
- Roost
- Earthquake

Vibrava is a counter as it takes any two hits from mag even w/ rocks up, and can just 2HKO with EQ or roost up till Mag misses Focus Blast.

252+ SpA Magmortar Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Vibrava: 69-82 (22.6 - 26.9%) -- 44% chance to 4HKO
252+ SpA Magmortar Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Vibrava: 102-120 (33.5 - 39.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Vibrava Earthquake vs. 96 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 222-264 (70.4 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
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Grumpig @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 200 HP / 252 SpA / 56 Spe
Modest Nature
- Psychic
- Signal Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Focus Blast

Although I'm not sure on what set Grumpig uses in NU, it's a hard counter to Magmartoar due to Thick Fat and it's insane special bulk. It's free to fire off Psychics or paralyze Magmortar, and doesn't really have anything to be worried about. If anyone is wondering the Speed is for Exeggutor and Cacturne, as well as Mawile.

0 Atk Magmortar Earthquake vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Grumpig: 98-116 (27.9 - 33%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ SpA Grumpig Psychic vs. 96 HP / 0 SpD Magmortar: 132-156 (41.9 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
 
Hariyama as a Counter
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Hariyama @ Assault Vest
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake

Hariyama can take any of magmortar's moves with ease given the AV, EVs, and thick fat, then fire back to OHKO with earthquake. Magmortar. Here are calcs showing how easily hariyama walls magmortar and how it has multiple moves to hit magmortar:
252+ SpA Magmortar Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Thick Fat Hariyama: 69-82 (16 - 19.1%) -- possible 6HKO
252+ SpA Magmortar Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Hariyama: 76-90 (17.7 - 20.9%) -- possible 5HKO
0 Atk Magmortar Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Hariyama: 103-122 (24 - 28.4%) -- 96.8% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Hariyama Earthquake vs. 104 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 314-370 (99 - 116.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Hariyama Close Combat vs. 104 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 282-333 (88.9 - 105%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
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Golurk as Check
Golurk @ Assault Vest
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Shadow Punch
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch

Golurk, with improved AV bulk, can take any of Magmortar's moves with ease, being immune to Tbolt and Focus Blast, resistant to EQ, and Fire Blast is only a 3HKO, while EQ from Golurk kills Mag.

252+ SpA Magmortar Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Golurk: 153-181 (40 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Golurk Earthquake vs. 96 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 482-570 (153 - 180.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Sorry about the no reservation rule, heh heh
 
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Golurk as Counter
Golurk @ Assault Vest
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Shadow Punch
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch

Golurk, with improved AV bulk, can take any of Magmortar's moves with ease, being immune to Tbolt and Focus Blast, resistant to EQ, and Fire Blast is only a 3HKO, while EQ from Golurk kills Mag.

252+ SpA Magmortar Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Golurk: 153-181 (40 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Golurk Earthquake vs. 96 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 482-570 (153 - 180.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Sorry about the no reservation rule, heh heh
I have trouble believing this is a counter, as it cannot switch into Magmortar without being heavily damaged, and has no recovery to heal it. With entry hazards up, or if it's weakened, Golurk can get taken out fairly easily. I'm not too sure on the viability of Assault Vest Golurk either.
 
I have trouble believing this is a counter, as it cannot switch into Magmortar without being heavily damaged, and has no recovery to heal it. With entry hazards up, or if it's weakened, Golurk can get taken out fairly easily. I'm not too sure on the viability of Assault Vest Golurk either.
Changed it into check.
 
Musharna as a very sturdy check
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Musharna @ Leftovers | Synchronize
240 HP / 172 Def / 96 SpDef | Calm
Psychic | Calm Mind | Moonlight | Thunder Wave

w/ a spdef spread mush is a nice check to mortar. the spread is a nifty little one that i concocted so that mag never 2hkos you after rocks w/ fire blast, making you a pretty solid answer to it, at which point you can either recover or throw a t-wave its way which lets you beat it even more frequently cause of misses / paras and also set up on it. its still only a check cause mag has a p decent chance to be 2HKO'd after a rock and a spike.
 
Quagsire as a check (unless HP Grass but your set don't have it so i think it's k)
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Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 2204 Def / 44 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Earthquake
- Recover
- Scald
- Curse/Toxic

Quagsire take some damages to Fire Blast/Focus blast, i agree, but with Recover+Leftovers+Earthquake it's easy to wear down Magmortar. With a little bit of Spdef, Quagsire can check more efficacely Magmortar.
252+ SpA Magmortar Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Quagsire: 127-150 (32.2 - 38%) -- 1.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Magmortar Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Quagsire: 187-220 (47.4 - 55.8%) -- 22.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Without spdef:
252+ SpA Magmortar Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Quagsire: 136-161 (34.5 - 40.8%) -- 60.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Magmortar Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Quagsire: 198-234 (50.2 - 59.3%) -- 80.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

And what Quagsire do:
0 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 104 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 260-308 (82 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
With some residual damages (SR/or even something like a volt switch or whatever) it's an OKHO.
 
Archeops is a check
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Archeops
Ability: Defeatist
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Acrobatics
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Roost

Archeops is a great offensive check to Magmortar, able to rip through its underwhelming defense with either Stone Edge or Earthquake, netting a guarenteed OHKO.
252 Atk Archeops Stone Edge vs. 104 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 480-566 (151.4 - 178.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Archeops Earthquake vs. 104 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 320-378 (100.9 - 119.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Additionally with previous chip damage or rocks, Archeops has the ability to OHKO Mortar with its third move, Acrobatics.
252 Atk Archeops Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 104 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 262-310 (82.6 - 97.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

This excellent ability to defeat Magmortar with a number of different coverage moves gives the opponent a very difficult time in deciding what to switch into, potentially leading them into inadvertently sacking other mons, thus making Archeops an extremely reliable check.

 
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Audino as a hard check.

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Audino-Mega @ Audinite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell / Thunder Wave
- Hyper Voice

If Audino can switch into anything other than Focus Blast and Mega-Evolve safely, then Expert Belt Magmortar simply doesn't have the power to break through it. From there it can just Wish and Protect to PP stall Magmortar out of Fire Blasts, send Wishes to offensive teammates that can switch into Fire Blasts, and deal chip damage with Hyper Voice. Heal Bell deals with any annoying Burns that might occur from tanking repeated Fire Blasts, but Thunder Wave is also an option to make Magmortar fodder for any offensive Pokémon if it switches back in later or to get more free turns to use Hyper Voice with. Dazzling Gleam can also be used instead if you don't care about doing anything back to Magmortar. Alternatively, regular Audino can switch into a Fire Blast, scout Magmortar's response with Protect, and pivot into a teammate using Regenerator if it's likely to use Focus Blast, but this is quite risky and relies on heavy prediction.

252+ SpA Expert Belt Magmortar Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Audino: 266-314 (65 - 76.7%)
252+ SpA Magmortar Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Audino: 153-180 (37.4 - 44%)
252+ SpA Magmortar Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Audino: 118-139 (28.8 - 33.9%)

0 SpA Mega Audino Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Magmortar: 84-100 (28.8 - 34.3%)
 
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The hard counter.
Sliggoo @ Eviolite
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Curse
- Outrage

Sliggoo is an counter to Magmortar because of the typing, bulk and the eviolite. The stab of Magmortar is not super effective against Sliggoo since the Dragon Type. Focus Blast is the best what Magmortar can hit to if you talk about the Special side aginast Sliggoo. Earthquake does a little bit more but it's still not going to 3 hit KO (only 17,7% chance to 4 Hit KO). Even if sliggoo becomes low you can just Rest up, Magmortar is set up bait for Sliggoo since you can just Curse up freely without any problems of Magmortar hitting you.

0 Atk Magmortar Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Sliggoo: 76-90 (22.3 - 26.4%) -- 17.7% chance to 4HKO
252+ SpA Magmortar Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 62-74 (18.2 - 21.7%) -- possible 5HKO
0 Atk Sliggoo Outrage vs. 96 HP / 0- Def Magmortar: 157-186 (49.8 - 59%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
+1 0 Atk Sliggoo Outrage vs. 96 HP / 0- Def Magmortar: 235-277 (74.6 - 87.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
Electivire @ Life Orb
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Wild Charge
- Cross Chop
Electivire as a check.
What's pretty cool about this is if you bring this in on a predicted thunderbolt, you gain some speed & might be able to take on another pokemon that comes in on the switch or off the faint. I know earthquake isn't on the main set but, it does net an OHKO safely, especially if hazards are not up.
252 Atk Life Orb Electivire Wild Charge vs. 96 HP / 0- Def Magmortar: 285-335 (90.4 - 106.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Electivire Earthquake vs. 96 HP / 0- Def Magmortar: 421-497 (133.6 - 157.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Another good thing about this being a check, is the ice punch/earthquake coverage. This can cause a 50/50 for the opponent since whatever that wants to come in on a predicted earthquake, will have to worry about an ice punch too since it hits flying & grass types (the usual types that want to come in on a ground type move & I know bug resists ground as well but, NU doesn't really have any good bulky bug types). If Electavire comes in on a predicted thunderbolt as well, it can outspeed both Swellow & Archeops if they want to come in on a predicted earthquake. With a motordrive boost, it's tough to revenge kill.
A fun thing to note is that if hazards are not up and Electavire is very healthy, it can take ONE fire blast or earthquake.
252+ SpA Magmortar Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Electivire: 219-258 (75.2 - 88.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 Atk Expert Belt Magmortar Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Electivire: 230-274 (79 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Also, focus blast is a guanteed 2HKO.
 
Misdreavus as a Counter
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Misdreavus @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 204 Def / 56 Spe
Bold Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hex
- Pain Split
- Taunt

Misdreavus is immune to Rock Climb and Earthquake, while also taking negligible damage from Fire Blast and Zen Headbutt. So Tauros has basically no way to break Misdreavus, and even if you're running Work Up Misdreavus can still burn you and proceed to taunt. If Misdreavus somehow gets weakened it can even recover some HP with Pain Split!
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Eviolite Misdreavus: 86-101 (26.5 - 31.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force burned Tauros Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Eviolite Misdreavus: 43-51 (13.2 - 15.7%) -- possible 7HKO
4 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Misdreavus: 51-61 (15.7 - 18.8%) -- possible 6HKO[/calcs]
 
almost reserved this lmao
Regirock as a very sturdy effin counter

Regirock @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 8 Atk / 52 Def / 196 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Rock Slide
- Drain Punch
- Thunder Wave

Takes negligible damage from all of tauros' moves, with eq doing like 30, while regirock can twave it, drain punch it and set up rocks on it. Crits aren't nice, but hax in general is shitty af. Leftovers is EZPZ passive and shit, so yeah, tauros has to get some crits to break this mfer

252 Atk Life Orb Tauros Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 52+ Def Regirock: 114-135 (31.3 - 37%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 52+ Def Regirock: 117-140 (32.1 - 38.4%) -- 3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 52+ Def Regirock: 148-177 (40.6 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery (ur not hitting three tho)
8 Atk Regirock Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tauros: 114-136 (39.1 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
 
Cradily as a Counter.

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Cradily @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Toxic
- Recover
- Stealth rock/Rock slide

Cradily is a solid counter to Tauros (barring iron head/iron tail but thats not listed) because it resists rock climb. Earthquake and Zen headbutt also do pitiful damage. Additionally Cradily can recover it all off.

252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Rock Climb vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cradily: 77-90 (20.4 - 23.9%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Tauros Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cradily: 88-104 (23.4 - 27.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cradily: 91-108 (24.2 - 28.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Cradily: 51-60 (13.5 - 15.9%) -- possibly the worst move ever
 
Hard Check
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Someone had to do the don
Rhydon @ Eviolite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 240 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Megahorn

Rhydon takes very little damage from all of Tauros' attacks thanks to its typing plus raw bulk with Eviolite; only being 3HKOed by Life Orb Earthquake at worst. Rhydon 2HKOes in return with Earthquake given the EV spread plus an Adamant nature. Because it's very prone to being worn down due to a lack of passive recovery, it's only a hard check at best. Tauros can get around Rhydon if it packs Iron Tail with very little prior damage though. (but that's not on the set haha)

VS Rhydon:
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Rock Climb vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 58-70 (14 - 16.9%) -- possible 6HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Tauros Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 135-161 (32.6 - 38.8%) -- 99% chance to 3HKO

VS Tauros:
16+ Atk Rhydon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tauros: 157-186 (53.9 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
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