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OldSchoolNub said:
Honestly, I could even see Doryuuzu working on a Drought team too. One of the biggest threats to such a team is obviously Stealth Rock, and Dory can Rapid Spin as well as Shadow Claw a variety of ghosts that try to block it. Another major threat is other weather such as Sandstorm or Hail, and Dory does very well in the former while packing Rock Slide for those who might take advantage of the latter.
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In Sandstorm, I see Doryuuzu as a very potent rapid spinner. I think it gets swords dance, which makes opposing pokemon question as to go to a ghost or not. The speed after Sand Throw is simply incredible. It also works well with Tyranitar and Urgamoth, since in Sandstorm, Blissey will actually be a fairly consistent 'counter' to Urgamoth that can at least cripple it so it can't sweep. Tyranitar can trap ghosts, and Starmie is also sounding like a viable rapid spinner. I think that Gastrodon/Blissey will be the solid counters to other forms of weather.

Heatran comes into mind when trying to wall Urgamoth, and using a entire move just for HP ground seems...wasteful.

So, we know we can run some offensive moves on Urgamoth and effective items:
-Fire Blast (Low acc and PP is the only problem)
-Bug Buzz
-The Flying attack it learns by level
-HP Grass/Ground
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-Leftovers
-Life Orb
-Petaya Berry
-Lum Berry
- Elemental Gems (may or may not be potent)

I would definitely use Urgamoth if I was using a drought team. I think Scizor might also be a good teammate on a drought team (as ironic as that sounds), because it can scout and eliminate ghosts. It can also be teched into Sandstorm I'd guess.

There is some more stuff I wanted to say, but I don't know how to put it. I understand that everyone is hyping Urgamoth for its fantastic sweeping potential after a Butterfly Dance. I can't disagree, but I am just unsure as of now. I can see the power, but I could also see how Urgamoth can fail. As mentioned before, Moltres would make a fine counter. I think one of the biggest deciding factors, in the end, will be Stealth Rock. I'll wait and see.
(Note: Urgamoth should be able to hit fire types in some way or form, so consider that if you want to use Urgamoth)
 
Perhaps Pokémon who resists the Urugamosu STAB moves and have priority for use against it can be good counters (Arcanine and Entei have ExtremeSpeed and can`t be burned, Dragonite too have ExtremeSpeed but it can be burned, and HP-Ground doesn´t affect it, Giratina have Shadow Sneak), Blaziken too can be a good counter if it get enough SpeedBoost. IMO HP-Rock is better than HP-Ground becouse it hurts opponents like Gyarados, Salamence, Dragonite and Rotom-A better.
 
Sphyxius said:
On a side note... according to Serebii's news updates Urugamoth is actually caught in-game at level 70, but then after that you get an egg with its unevolved form? lolwut
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So it's like Manaphy, but if Phione actually evolved into it.

It's BST is low for a legendary, though.
 
The Pokemon seems great and the set in the OP looks good but i personally feel HP Rock is atleast as good of an option as HP Ground. in exchange for trading se damage on heatran, blaziken and ape, you hit dnite mence and gyra among others for SE damage. I guess it depends on your team but the flyers i mentioned are overall more threatening b/c of their stat boosting moves imo.
 
i always loved bug type pokemons but most of them are trully low stats with some exceptions this seems to be the king of all bug types i thisk i like better than that bug steell legendary who will probably go ubber thanks to its signature move can change type

i mean this is the best moth pokemon ever its a shame it doesnt get levitate(due to have wings and should be able to fly) or flash fire wich i tought it would be its logical ability but we cant have everything right? still its a possible OU (i think BL will be for sure what UU can handle this guy?) we need more bugs in the higher tiers we only got like 3/4 max (scizor heracross and forretress and yanmega for a short time) in OU
 
Considering the power of a Drought boosted Fire Blast, I believe that, with SR, it is not required to use HP Rock. I don't know the exact calculations, however. Heatran, on the other hand, will completely wall Urgamoth if it lacks HP ground.
 
SCENARIO:
>Go Filler!
>Enemy sent out Other Filler!

>Filler used SR!
>Other Filler used SR!

>Enemy switched out Ghost/Fire dude with Shadow Tag!
>Filler used Rapid Spin!
>But it failed!

>Ghost/Fire dude used Pwn!
>Filler fainted!

I love Urugamosu with his incredible potential, but it's one flaw is that darn SR weakness. With these Shadow Tag ghosts running around, not only will you're opponent be able to keep his rocks up, but kill your spinner. This really kills his viability.
 
Thee said:
Considering the power of a Drought boosted Fire Blast, I believe that, with SR, it is not required to use HP Rock. I don't know the exact calculations, however. Heatran, on the other hand, will completely wall Urgamoth if it lacks HP ground.
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Why are you assuming sun will be in play. plenty of teams using this mon wont be using it with ninetales and even if they do, with all the weather starters in gen 5, sun might not even be in play. Even if it is, i know for sure Gyrados probably wont be KOd although im not sure about mence. Heatran is still one pokemon and even under Gen 4 standards, was a relatively easy pokemon to switch into. Having a teammate that can take heatran can easily be done allowing for HP rock to be used
 
Unfortunately, HPRock reduces Urugamosu's Speed stat by 1, meaning it reliably loses to Choice Scarf base 100 Speed Pokemon. I agree, though, that otherwise I'd really want HPRock for Dragonite and Gyarados and Salamence. It might be worth running even despite that lost Speed point, since you can probably use other Pokemon to handle Choice Scarf Flygon and kin.
 
Really good sweeper but the stealth rock 4x weakness really lowers its capability :/ But who knows, rocks might not be good this in gen.
 
As to stealth rock:


To HP Rock:
I am assuming Drought is in play because that is the best scenario possible. Of course it will not be all the time.
As I stated earlier, I am not certain of the effectiveness of HP Rock vs. Urgamoth's normal moves.
I admit HP rock is an interesting option if you want to include it. I'm not stopping you. I will admit that Dragonite and Gyrados do counter the set, so HP ice or electric could be used instead. (I do know that Gyrados is 2HKOed by +1 boosted fire blast). I stand corrected, you are right, etc whatever you want. Oh, and Drought has been discussed to be a viable partner with Urgamoth.

The more interesting matter is that Espeon can now reflect SR. Discussion?
 
Not only could Espeon block rocks from coming up, but she can baton pass a calm mind to our new bug overlord. This combo could prove to be very potent in the early game.
 
The Flying Dragons resist pretty much every move of this set, actually. Defensive altaria rapes it, and even if SR wont be THAT common, it'll still exist. Also, with that poor physical defense, even resisted physical attacks (Luke's CC) will still hurt it BAD.

Good Morning
 
Rising_Dusk said:
Unfortunately, HPRock reduces Urugamosu's Speed stat by 1, meaning it reliably loses to Choice Scarf base 100 Speed Pokemon. I agree, though, that otherwise I'd really want HPRock for Dragonite and Gyarados and Salamence. It might be worth running even despite that lost Speed point, since you can probably use other Pokemon to handle Choice Scarf Flygon and kin.
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oh, i didnt even realize that, yea its a good point. and yea even despite that, i would still prefer HP rock but yea its situational. Scarf Jirachi and Victini (idk if that will be used) cant harm you. Scarf Flygon and Manaphy do pose a threat.
 
Universal Berry said:
The Flying Dragons resist pretty much every move of this set, actually. Defensive altaria rapes it, and even if SR wont be THAT common, it'll still exist. Also, with that poor physical defense, even resisted physical attacks (Luke's CC) will still hurt it BAD.

Good Morning
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Ideally, there will be no situation in which a Lucario will CC you. I am more worried about extremespeed, due to Moth's poor defense.

Your counters are very reasonable,and I will believe them as counters even if Moth could pack HP Ice. This makes me think of Moth as BL--not used enough for OU, but in the "Ubers" of the UU.

Funnily enough, I think phazing, scouting, and racking up residual damage is actually important for Moth to function properly, as Dragons/Gyra, which were abundant in gen 4, will pose sweeping problems.
I think a more coverage-based set would be:
Butterfly Dance
Hp Ice/Electric/Rock/Grass/Ground
Bug Buzz / Other coverage
Fire Blast/New fire move/Heat Have
 
HP Rock from a +1 Moth already has a very high chance of OHKOing no SpD/HP Gyarados [OHKO no matter what with SR], so HP Electric isn't really needed.
 
Arikado said:
HP Rock from a +1 Moth already has a very high chance of OHKOing no SpD/HP Gyarados [OHKO no matter what with SR], so HP Electric isn't really needed.
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Thank you. I am ignorant about exact damage calcs in prebattle.

However, not all Gyra will be min HP, but I do see the validity in your point.
 
Eh, the loss in speed hurts, but how many base 100 pokemon run scarf as is?

Celebi? Nope.

Charizard? Ha.

Dodrio, Entei, Fearow, Flygon? Flygon is a problem but the rest are ridiculous.

So we've got Flygon, who you don't have a hope in hell of beating anyway. Who else?

Manaphy doesn't run scarf. Manaphy will never run scarf etc.

Scarfjirachi will beat you but can it do anything?

Mew, Miltank and Ninetales? Ninetales switching in is just ridiculous, as it's never going to be seen without drought now adays, and a +1 Fire Blast does around 83.6% - 98.6% in the sun to min/min Ninetales.

So next on the list is Palkia, Raichu and Regigigas, if either of these three need explanation... well damn. Palkia would rape your shit regardless of a speed tie or not, Regigigas 100 base speed is a lie, and Raichu is... Raichu.

Salamence is... Salamence. Almost never uses a scarf etc.

Then there's Shaymin, who's absolutely doomed. Slaking, who sucks. Staraptor, who doesn't use scarf, and can't switch in for the life of him.

Tentacruel, Typhlosion and Zapdos? Pretty sure you could trounce any of these except maybe Tentacruel, and anyway, is Tentacruel ever going to run a scarf?

So using HP rock could be alot worse. Don't you think?
 
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